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Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 


Mike, I didn't dispute the color - many people think that the SOO Line painted
locomotives and freight cars white too, but they were not "pure white". There are
many such examples from other roads too.

I like this photo from my modeling period that shows the white band outlasted
the other lettering!



On 8/5/2019 12:06 PM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car. Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards, Mike Aufderheide

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 


Like SP "lettering gray" applied to all locomotives and passenger cars
until the 1980's that looked white in bright sunlight and faded to white
as well. Model makers finally started applying the correct color 20 to 25
years ago.



On 8/5/2019 11:46 AM, william darnaby wrote:
The band was light gray out of the paint shop and it can definitely be seen in photos, even black and white ones, of recently painted cars.  Having said that, however, it quickly chalked to white and everyone models it that way even the manufacturers.


Bill Darnaby 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Monon

Bill Keene
 

Hello All,

Anyone have a recommendation of a kit or model to use as a starting point for modeling this car? 


Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:

Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.  

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide <9046-1.jpg>

Re: Monon

Bob Webber
 

Were any of these cars with bands painted this way from the builder? (Builder records may be available - for instance, the grey on Monon covered hoppers can be located).

Is this "imitation aluminum" such as the CB&Q used on their F units ("Gray backs")?

If the band is the same as other cars (caboose, ?) were they "as built"?

At 11:06 AM 8/5/2019, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'. Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
Bob Webber

Re: Monon

 

Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.  

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

Re: Monon

william darnaby
 

The band was light gray out of the paint shop and it can definitely be seen in photos, even black and white ones, of recently painted cars.  Having said that, however, it quickly chalked to white and everyone models it that way even the manufacturers.


Bill Darnaby 

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:11:44 AM CDT, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:


At 09:19 AM 8/3/2019, william darnaby wrote:
>If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was
>gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.

Ok I'll bite:
Was the band with "The Hoosier Line" -ALWAYS- light grey..?  ...or
did some re-paints get done in white?

...and just how light was the 'light' grey?  i.e. one drop of grey
in a bottle of white???
In several color photos from the late 1950s... both the band and the
lettering seem to have weathered-out to nearly the same shade.


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Monon

Richard Brennan
 

Agree completely...
Opinions are interesting, but some normative documentation is needed.

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 08:24 AM 8/5/2019, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Someone needs to cite a painting specification diagram or document. There
is no other way to avoid the "take your best shot" approach.

Someone mentioned "artificial aluminum" - If you've ever seen a UPS trailer,
then you know that color. That is NOT the color applied to Southern diesels,
nor to Monon box cars.

Tim O'Connor




On 8/5/2019 11:11 AM, Richard Brennan wrote:
At 09:19 AM 8/3/2019, william darnaby wrote:
If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.
Ok I'll bite:
Was the band with "The Hoosier Line" -ALWAYS- light grey..? ...or did some re-paints get done in white?

...and just how light was the 'light' grey?  i.e. one drop of grey in a bottle of white???
In several color photos from the late 1950s... both the band and the lettering seem to have weathered-out to nearly the same shade.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 

Someone needs to cite a painting specification diagram or document. There
is no other way to avoid the "take your best shot" approach.

Someone mentioned "artificial aluminum" - If you've ever seen a UPS trailer,
then you know that color. That is NOT the color applied to Southern diesels,
nor to Monon box cars.

Tim O'Connor

On 8/5/2019 11:11 AM, Richard Brennan wrote:
At 09:19 AM 8/3/2019, william darnaby wrote:
If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.
Ok I'll bite:
Was the band with "The Hoosier Line" -ALWAYS- light grey..?  ...or did some re-paints get done in white?

...and just how light was the 'light' grey?   i.e. one drop of grey in a bottle of white???
In several color photos from the late 1950s... both the band and the lettering seem to have weathered-out to nearly the same shade.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Monon

Richard Brennan
 

At 09:19 AM 8/3/2019, william darnaby wrote:
If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.
Ok I'll bite:
Was the band with "The Hoosier Line" -ALWAYS- light grey..? ...or did some re-paints get done in white?

...and just how light was the 'light' grey? i.e. one drop of grey in a bottle of white???
In several color photos from the late 1950s... both the band and the lettering seem to have weathered-out to nearly the same shade.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Monon

G.J. Irwin
 

The Monon Historical Society uses "The Caboose" train store for its sales now...

https://mycaboose.com/lists?society_id=1

While they have a nice selection of HO Scale items and publications, the "Merchandise Service" boxcar isn't among them.

The MRH-TS also did the same car in N Scale from Micro-Trains and I'm still kicking myself for missing it.

Cheers,
George Irwin

Nuckolls

James SANDIFER
 

Thanks for all of the good info.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Updated 941st Field Artillery Equipment move in 1943

John Barry
 

Thanks to input from a couple folks, I corrected an error in my original post and have added a car I missed and the vehicle registration numbers to the spreadsheet and included some limited modelling ideas in the updated post.  You can download the updated version from the same link in the original post.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 08:34:08 PM EDT, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


In the fall of 1943, the 941st Field Artillery deployed from Camp Polk LA to the Desert Training Center at Freda CA on Santa Fe's Parker Branch.  I found a memorandum copy of the Government Bill of Lading in the National Archives and have written a short blog post that includes images of the seven page GBL and a link to a spread sheet with the car numbers and loads.


Not quite over Cajon, but a typical artillery unit move for 1943.  The personnel would have gone in a separate Passenger MAIN train.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

Re: Metal Wheels Reboxx

Brian Carlson
 

As discussed in July of last year. Dr Denny Anspach posted the update below 

Snip
The owner of Reboxx is a personal (beyond modeling) friend, and he has asked me to report that at the moment Reboxx is in an interim quiet period, and that it is NOT going out of business. The family member at the business end of the phone is now out of state. 

Also at the moment, they are completely out of 33” wheel sets with 1.020, 1.025, and 1.030 axle lengths with no known date for replacement. 

Brian J Carlson. 

Re: Metal Wheels Reboxx

Pete Steinmetz
 

Reboxx web site is up, but in looking at their dealer page, it has not been updated in years.  Very old information.

Did you try to contact them? 

There is a phone number and E Mail on their order page.

Pete Steinmetz

Re: Monon

william darnaby
 

The Monon Historical Society offered these cars in the Merchandise Service paint.  Only the 10' IH 1937 type cars...Monon's 9000 series...got this scheme.  I don't know if the company store still has them.  Maybe ebay?

Bill Darnaby

On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 04:25:15 PM CDT, Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...> wrote:


Mike,

Thank you for the free runner confirmation. I will plan to add one of these cars to my modest freight car fleet. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Aug 4, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:

Bill,

Yes, those were free running general service boxcars.  

However, some 50 footers with this scheme seem to have been in assigned service between the RCA factories in Monticello and Bloomington Indiana.  There was a similar scheme with the words "HIGH SPEED MERCHANIDISE SERVICE" in the light gray band that were in LCL service from the early 50s until the late 50s.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

Shut the Door

Bill Welch
 

I don't like the operating doors on the the otherwise very fine Kadee PS-1 boxcar so inside I glued a piece of .100 x .100 styrene to the lower right side of the door. I applied Tamiya Super thin on the part against the door to keep it from opening and in the joint of the door opening so the door will be tight against the door opening.

Bill Welch

Re: Stalking PFE Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro sent a comment with this remark:

The comment below was in response to a discussion about per diem rates on the CB&Q Group. I believe Tony Thompson has mentioned PFE's need to gather their reefers, also.

Here's the common from Doug Hoslert:

Thank you for the discussion of per diem rates and whether they were too low or too high.  I wonder what the home railroad was for refrigerator cars when the refrigerator car company was owned by more than one railroad, such as the PFE.  My dad was a traveling agent for PFE (out of Chicago) form 1945 to 1960 or so.  It seemed to me his main job was not checking on icings but rather visiting yard offices (making a circuit in an area over the ear) to find the PFE cars that were being held.  It did not seem a priority of the railroads anywhere, so far as I could tell, to return the cars.

Following up was this comment from Tony Wagner:

Its my understanding that reefers moved on mileage rates, not per diem, so when they were empty there was no rush to get them back to where they had come from. 

    First, Tony is right, reefers operated for many years on a mileage basis, loaded or empty. That's the reason operators like PFE or FGEX or SFRD could not have cared less whether there were return loads or not -- to them, it was the exact same revenue loaded or empty.
     Second, Doug mentions something very important: PFE had agents all over the east who kept track of empty cars (these were normal junction reports), and would "remind" yardmasters and car distributors to get those cars moving west to where they could be reloaded.
      It's essential to remember that the primary job of an operator like PFE was to supply empty cars to be loaded, not to generate revenue (to the parent roads) with return loads, and certainly not to sit around in eastern yards. The message was, move them west! soonest!
       Home territory would have been the rails of SP, UP or WP.

Tony Thompson



Re: Monon

steve_wintner
 

Decals are available for this scheme: http://www.greatdecals.com/Switzer.htm#301n

Re: Monon

Allan Smith
 

I Have conductors lists for the Sierra RR in 1952-1954 and three Monon CIL Boxcars show up on those lists  Cars 355,478 & 9251. 

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎4‎, ‎2019‎ ‎02‎:‎25‎:‎16‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...> wrote:


Mike,

Thank you for the free runner confirmation. I will plan to add one of these cars to my modest freight car fleet. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Aug 4, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:

Bill,

Yes, those were free running general service boxcars.  

However, some 50 footers with this scheme seem to have been in assigned service between the RCA factories in Monticello and Bloomington Indiana.  There was a similar scheme with the words "HIGH SPEED MERCHANIDISE SERVICE" in the light gray band that were in LCL service from the early 50s until the late 50s.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

Re: Monon

Bill Keene
 

Mike,

Thank you for the free runner confirmation. I will plan to add one of these cars to my modest freight car fleet. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Aug 4, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:

Bill,

Yes, those were free running general service boxcars.  

However, some 50 footers with this scheme seem to have been in assigned service between the RCA factories in Monticello and Bloomington Indiana.  There was a similar scheme with the words "HIGH SPEED MERCHANIDISE SERVICE" in the light gray band that were in LCL service from the early 50s until the late 50s.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide