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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

Matt Goodman
 

This has been an interesting thread for me as one of the industries on my Railroad (Maizo Mills) produced patented products from ground corn cobs.

Maizo ground cobs to produce a patented product used for a variety of things. My notes are at home but the uses I remember offhand were as as a de-greaser and polishing medium in machining processes, in the furrier trade (probably as a dessicant) and by jewelry makers as a polishing medium (Maizo was owned by a Columbus jeweler, so it must have been important for that industry). Other contemporary sources said ground corn cobs were a component of linoleum.

Prior to the uses mentioned above, it was also used as a filler in animal feed, which apparently was made illegal in the twenties or thirties. Not a lot of nutritional value.

I have one poor-quality photo showing boxcars outside of Maizo, and an advertisement showing their product in bags - so probably about any class of boxcar could be used for shipping the bagged end product. My assumption is that cobs could have been shipped to Maizo from local elevators, by box car or truck.

This particular mill's output was reported to be 100% dedicated to the war effort (WWII) - especially after a sister mill in Illinois burned to the ground during the war. Maizo's fate was the same, although not until the mid-fifties.  1890's construction materials and methods and dust make good bon fires.

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio

On November 4, 2019 at 1:00 PM, "Matt Smith" <flyn96@...> wrote:

Nice pic of car loading with ground corn cobs. I read that corn cobs used during the war effort I believe it had something to do with plastics manufacturing??? Several articles indicated local elevators shipping corn cobs for the war effort.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34348/rec/62

No location but somewhere in the central Illinois area.
5/4/44 IDA Pantagraph Collection
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL




OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



One Overland tank car that I was rather pleased with was their Western Asphalt car.  The Roma Wine car is from Precision 
Scale and just happened to be sitting there.

Bill Pardie


how automobiles were loaded onto racks in boxcars in 1932

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Elden and List Members,
 
Thanks Elden for pointing out some of the more subtle aspects of the cars in that image. It got me to look deeper than I would have otherwise...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

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Claus;

Looking at:  A tank farm FULL of 103's....

The twins look like ACF-built 4-course ICC 103 8ks with dome platforms, quad spaced tank bands, and single raised dome vents.  Carmer cut levers!  I like the unusual clean-out arrangement on the end.  I suppose you unbolted it and swung it away on that hinge.  Look like a kit-bash of a Tichy kit?

Yes, Carnegie-Illinois Steel.  USS Clairton By-Products plant tank farm.  This is at Clairton, PA (actually Wilson), upriver from Pgh on west bank of the Mon.

This plant produced things like benzol, xylol, toluol, and of course other coal tar by-products like cresols ( think creosote), plus the clean-outs, make me think these are tar cars.

The car coupled to 507, looks like an acid car, 103B, maybe, with those appliances up top.  That dome is really unusual.  I just have never seen one like this.  I'd love to have a close-up of that car.

I also like the one behind and right of the cab of 507, with dome platforms on all sides and ends of the dome.  There are a few like that in the ACF book.

Also, that triple to far right.....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Hi Elden and List Members,
 
Elden wrote: "No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of.  And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these.  Really?  Then what are we looking at in this pic?"
 
Perhaps I'm the only one who does not know what corporate entity the reporting marks CISX correspond to, or perhaps not. I'll take a stupid wild-a** guess - since the image Elden referenced is on the Union Railroad, meaning the Pittsburgh PA area, is it Carnegie Illinois Steel maybe?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


To add;

I think we also take for gospel the belief that another's opinion is more than that;  it is gospel.  Ehhhh, not so much. I was told many, many things as gospel, on PRR freight cars, while I was doing the research, that turned out to be untrue.  There are still people I know who swear by stories or "facts", that are not factual.

NO ONE knows the entire picture on freight cars.  NO ONE.  There were certainly more tank cars produced than anyone knows of, for which no photos exist, and variations were rife.  I continue to find photos of cars I have never seen before (see attached).  No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of.  And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these.  Really?  Then what are we looking at in this pic?  And what is that car attached to 507?  "It didn't exist".

And, both Greg and I saw that tank car in SoCentral LA that was the living embodiment of the large-dome Tichy car, and I stand by its use because I saw it.  And it IS a great freight car kit, too!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


And Overland was working in a time period when we were ALL learning about the incredible diversity of freight cars, led by modelers like Hendrickson and Nehrich and many others who sparked the whole RPM movement. So naturally Overland (and the other importers) made a lot of "mistakes" (I can think of some real howlers from Precision Scale) and often didn't reveal very much about the prototypes for their models (if indeed there was one). It was an 'era' of the model industry, and that time has passed at least for hand made brass models.

I take it with a grain of salt. An interesting looking, well made brass tank car that is realistically (if not "accurately") painted and lettered is always welcome in a train of mine... Many people hate Tichy tank cars because they're not right.
I love them because they are among the finest examples of styrene freight car kit design.

Tim O'Connor





On 11/4/2019 6:47 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.


I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.


My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.


These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.


Bill Pardie






Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@... <mailto:tony@...> > <mailto:tony@...
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>  <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


Bruce Smith wrote:



I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.



     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.



Tony Thompson
tony@... <mailto:tony@...>  <mailto:tony@...>







--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts











Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus;

Looking at: A tank farm FULL of 103's....

The twins look like ACF-built 4-course ICC 103 8ks with dome platforms, quad spaced tank bands, and single raised dome vents. Carmer cut levers! I like the unusual clean-out arrangement on the end. I suppose you unbolted it and swung it away on that hinge. Look like a kit-bash of a Tichy kit?

Yes, Carnegie-Illinois Steel. USS Clairton By-Products plant tank farm. This is at Clairton, PA (actually Wilson), upriver from Pgh on west bank of the Mon.

This plant produced things like benzol, xylol, toluol, and of course other coal tar by-products like cresols ( think creosote), plus the clean-outs, make me think these are tar cars.

The car coupled to 507, looks like an acid car, 103B, maybe, with those appliances up top. That dome is really unusual. I just have never seen one like this. I'd love to have a close-up of that car.

I also like the one behind and right of the cab of 507, with dome platforms on all sides and ends of the dome. There are a few like that in the ACF book.

Also, that triple to far right.....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Hi Elden and List Members,

Elden wrote: "No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of. And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these. Really? Then what are we looking at in this pic?"

Perhaps I'm the only one who does not know what corporate entity the reporting marks CISX correspond to, or perhaps not. I'll take a stupid wild-a** guess - since the image Elden referenced is on the Union Railroad, meaning the Pittsburgh PA area, is it Carnegie Illinois Steel maybe?

Thanks in advance

Claus Schlund



----- Original Message -----
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


To add;

I think we also take for gospel the belief that another's opinion is more than that; it is gospel. Ehhhh, not so much. I was told many, many things as gospel, on PRR freight cars, while I was doing the research, that turned out to be untrue. There are still people I know who swear by stories or "facts", that are not factual.

NO ONE knows the entire picture on freight cars. NO ONE. There were certainly more tank cars produced than anyone knows of, for which no photos exist, and variations were rife. I continue to find photos of cars I have never seen before (see attached). No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of. And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these. Really? Then what are we looking at in this pic? And what is that car attached to 507? "It didn't exist".

And, both Greg and I saw that tank car in SoCentral LA that was the living embodiment of the large-dome Tichy car, and I stand by its use because I saw it. And it IS a great freight car kit, too!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


And Overland was working in a time period when we were ALL learning about the incredible diversity of freight cars, led by modelers like Hendrickson and Nehrich and many others who sparked the whole RPM movement. So naturally Overland (and the other importers) made a lot of "mistakes" (I can think of some real howlers from Precision Scale) and often didn't reveal very much about the prototypes for their models (if indeed there was one). It was an 'era' of the model industry, and that time has passed at least for hand made brass models.

I take it with a grain of salt. An interesting looking, well made brass tank car that is realistically (if not "accurately") painted and lettered is always welcome in a train of mine... Many people hate Tichy tank cars because they're not right.
I love them because they are among the finest examples of styrene freight car kit design.

Tim O'Connor





On 11/4/2019 6:47 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection. Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them. They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car. The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car. I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.


I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car. Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car. Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
Overland car. Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.


My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short. This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.


These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced. I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco. Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.


Bill Pardie






Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
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Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


Bruce Smith wrote:



I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.



You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.



Tony Thompson
tony@... <mailto:tony@...> <mailto:tony@...>







--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Elden and List Members,
 
Elden wrote: "No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of.  And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these.  Really?  Then what are we looking at in this pic?"
 
Perhaps I'm the only one who does not know what corporate entity the reporting marks CISX correspond to, or perhaps not. I'll take a stupid wild-a** guess - since the image Elden referenced is on the Union Railroad, meaning the Pittsburgh PA area, is it Carnegie Illinois Steel maybe?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

To add;

I think we also take for gospel the belief that another's opinion is more than that;  it is gospel.  Ehhhh, not so much. I was told many, many things as gospel, on PRR freight cars, while I was doing the research, that turned out to be untrue.  There are still people I know who swear by stories or "facts", that are not factual.

NO ONE knows the entire picture on freight cars.  NO ONE.  There were certainly more tank cars produced than anyone knows of, for which no photos exist, and variations were rife.  I continue to find photos of cars I have never seen before (see attached).  No one has ever done the research on the CISX fleet, I know of.  And I've had people tell me their fleet did not contain cars like these.  Really?  Then what are we looking at in this pic?  And what is that car attached to 507?  "It didn't exist".

And, both Greg and I saw that tank car in SoCentral LA that was the living embodiment of the large-dome Tichy car, and I stand by its use because I saw it.  And it IS a great freight car kit, too!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


And Overland was working in a time period when we were ALL learning about the incredible diversity of freight cars, led by modelers like Hendrickson and Nehrich and many others who sparked the whole RPM movement. So naturally Overland (and the other importers) made a lot of "mistakes" (I can think of some real howlers from Precision Scale) and often didn't reveal very much about the prototypes for their models (if indeed there was one). It was an 'era' of the model industry, and that time has passed at least for hand made brass models.

I take it with a grain of salt. An interesting looking, well made brass tank car that is realistically (if not "accurately") painted and lettered is always welcome in a train of mine... Many people hate Tichy tank cars because they're not right.
I love them because they are among the finest examples of styrene freight car kit design.

Tim O'Connor





On 11/4/2019 6:47 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.


I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.


My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.


These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.


Bill Pardie






Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...> <mailto:tony@...
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car


Bruce Smith wrote:



I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.



     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.



Tony Thompson
tony@... <mailto:tony@...>







--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts





cars on ebay

Clark Propst
 

It’s house cleaning time again! Need to make room for kits I plan to build over the winter. Links are to a couple of resin cars I’m offering on eBay,
 
 
 
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


CNW 43959 With Hay Dryer Load

Matt Smith
 

CNW 43959 Flat with hay dryer load, Roanoke, IL 1941 

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/25221/rec/480
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

To all interested,

When pictured by H.A. Gerritsen in ca. 1988, NIPX 8 was a 'toxic waste' car serving as such on the NIPCO property, Michigan City, Indiana. Where the other two cars went to after their last appearance in the 1936 ORER, is a mystery, but I guess back into the GATX pool until retirement at some date.
Capy is 10000
LT WT 60800
CH 7-57
Asked Brian Marsh if he could check the archives for the original pics made by Mr. Gerritsen. Would like to see what's on the domes so I can make some decals for them (probably TANK A and tech specs and TANK B and tech specs).

NB: if the car was built in 1930 by GATC and photographed in 1988, it was operating and 'kind of lost' in my year 1950, probably illegally dumping it's toxic waste in the beautiful Feather River on my future layout....
I'm so sorry, but that's how it was in 1950 (on my layout).

cheers, Fred Jansz

PS, also own the single dome version of the OMI GATX 30 10K Gals insulated car.
This one will be painted & lettered for Western Asphalt.


Re: Gould/Tichy Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

Tony Thompson
 

So Tony, you're accusing me of making it up?
Not at all, I'm suggesting maybe you don't know as much of what happened as you think you do.

Tony


Re: Gould/Tichy Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

brianleppert@att.net
 

So Tony, you're accusing me of making it up?

Brian Leppert


Re: Gould/Tichy Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

Tony Thompson
 

Because Bill wasn't brushing off offers because he never got any.
So you're stating that Richard made it up? Of all his character traits, that is about the last thing I would imagine. He sometimes dramatized events, but I can't recall any imaginary ones.

Tony


Re: Gould/Tichy Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

brianleppert@att.net
 

Because Bill wasn't brushing off offers because he never got any.

Brian Leppert


Re: Gould/Tichy Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Leppert wrote:

So I guess my point is I don't agree with what Mr. Hendrickson wrote about Mr. Gould.  And I was there.

     Not sure I see where your account, Brian, differs from what Richard wrote. If Gould was brushing off offers of assistance, why would you have heard about it?

Tony Thompson




Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Bruce--Not Fred but the reweigh date looks like 7 57.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Gould/Tichy Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

brianleppert@att.net
 

I worked for Bill Gould for about 8 years.  During those years Bill's business had three people:  Bill, his wife Geri and me.  Business activities included lots of industrial model making, making some patterns for PFM and Chooch, tooling for Dimi-Trains' line of N-scale plastic kits, an HOn3 D&RGW stock car for E&B Valley and Bill's own line of HO freight car kits (later sold to Tichy).  I was laid off shortly after starting the PFE reefer tooling.

While having lunch and morning and afternoon breaks we all sat in the same office, eating and almost always talking about something.  During the USRA tank car project, Bill never mentioned any phone conversation with Richard Hendrickson or any one else about tank cars, and I'm sure he would have asked for my opinion if anyone had.  It wasn't until after Richard's review of our kit that Bill asked, and I answered, who Richard Hendrickson was and why he was so respected.
 
And I don't recall there being any secret about what car we were doing.  I certainly had loose lips.

Due to our limited experience of mold making and the lack of some important machinery, everything had to be flat kits, so a four coarse tank was a must.  USRA drawings from a Train Shed reprint were used, but we first learned of the USRA tank car from drawings in Model Railroader magazine.  In that MR issue, they stated that thousands of these car were built.  Neither Bill nor I had any reason to doubt the MR staff.  Now please, please remember this was about 37 years ago!

It wasn't until I mentioned to Robert Grandt, one of Cliff's sons, that we were almost finished with tooling and I still hadn't come across a prototype photo, and  Robert almost fell on the floor laughing, that I had a clue we might be in trouble.

So I guess my point is I don't agree with what Mr. Hendrickson wrote about Mr. Gould.  And I was there.


Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

James SANDIFER
 

I purchased one of these two dome Overland cars and wrote Richard Hendrickson about it. His reply was:

"Steve, the genesis of this Overland model is that when Arndt Gerritsen was doing much of Overland’s prototype research and product development, he found a car bearing used
for storage which still had its reporting marks and numbers: NIPX 8. He photographed and measured the car and made drawings of it. He then contacted me for more prototype information, but I was unable to help much because the latest (1967) ORER I have did not have an entry for NIPX. My best guess is that the car had been owned by the North American Tank Line, which had a number of other reporting marks in the NI?X series. But that’s only a guess, and the NATX entries in the ORERs do not list gallonage or other data which might help in tracking it down.

Once I saw the drawings, however, I recognized that the car was essentially a two compartment version of General American’s 10K gal. insulated single compartment type 30s, and a photo in my collection prompted Overland’s model of the CDLX Western Asphalt single compartment car.

But that doesn’t solve your problem. Years later, I got a poor quality photo that showed a GATX insulated two compartment Type 30, and if I owned that model I’d paint and letter it to correspond with the photo. I think the car in the photo may have been an 8K gallon car, but I also think it’s as close as you’re going to get to finding a prototype for that model in your era. Al Ferguson’s “Black Cat” GATX decal set in black would do the job very nicely. FWIW, that photo is attached.

Paint is Light gray tank, black underframe and trucks. Some GATX cars in bulk wine service were painted aluminum, but most insulated cars that weren’t black were light gray, and that’s what appears to be the color of the car in the photo.


J. Stephen Sandifer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 12:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car


was Arnt (Arndt?) the fellow who had those great Lake Michigan car ferry models at Naperville?


On 11/5/2019 1:21 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Thank you very much for this information Craig!
The puzzle is nearing completion.
If only I could find out what was stecilled on those domes!
Resumé: these 1930-built, 10,000 Gallon insulated double dome cars
were in service as NIPX #6, 7 & 8 for the North Indiana Public Service
plant in Michigan City, Indiana.
They were already out of the ORER in 1936.
#8 was possibly the only only surviver (the other 2 possibly went back
into the GATX pool) at the NIPCO plant as 'captive car' and was
photographed there by Arnt Gerritsen.
Who also made drawings of which Overland made a model in ca. 1991.
Pity they didn't issue a painted & letterd version, otherwise it would
have been on the BT files as sample for mine.
Now the real challenge is to find the original Arnt Gerritsen picture
of NIPX 8, so I can make some decals for it.
In my closets this car is a sample of a lost car, far away from home
in 1950 in the Feather River Canyon.
To return home after decades, just in time for Arnt to take pictures
of it around 1988.
I understand from Jeff Lemke the OMI model is from 1991.
cheers,
Fred Jansz

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice model. :-)

Folks discussed those Overland cars years ago on STMFC and elsewhere. The conclusion
has always been that Marsh just "made up" those two particular cars. They would have been
ok if he'd used SMALLER domes. Unlike the 3230 model we've been talking about - which does
have a prototype, if an exceptionally uncommon one - those two look kinda ridiculous.

Tim O'Connor



On 11/5/2019 7:40 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
Here's my Overland tank car.  Friend Jerry Spoelma painted and weathered it.  I had asked for an appearance of having carried something awful and nasty.  Couldn't find those NITX reporting marks in any of my ORERs so guessed the best I could.  The model, OMI-3230, was built by Ajin.

I have doubts about the accuracy of some of Overland's tank cars.  For instance, three of their earliest tank imports were ACF single, double and triple dome cars.  The label on my single dome model says 8,000 gallon, but it is the same size as InterMountain's 10,000 gallon.  All three models used the same underframe and tank size.  I suspect the double and triple dome tanks are bogus.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

brianleppert@att.net
 

Here's my Overland tank car.  Friend Jerry Spoelma painted and weathered it.  I had asked for an appearance of having carried something awful and nasty.  Couldn't find those NITX reporting marks in any of my ORERs so guessed the best I could.  The model, OMI-3230, was built by Ajin.

I have doubts about the accuracy of some of Overland's tank cars.  For instance, three of their earliest tank imports were ACF single, double and triple dome cars.  The label on my single dome model says 8,000 gallon, but it is the same size as InterMountain's 10,000 gallon.  All three models used the same underframe and tank size.  I suspect the double and triple dome tanks are bogus.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Bruce Smith
 

Fred,

What do you read the reweigh date as?


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

I now have a better picture of the OMI NIPX 8 tankcar.
Maybe one of the tank car experts could advise about what could be stecilled on the domes?
The rest of the lettering is fairly clear/obvious.
Thank you.
regards
Fred Jansz <NIPX8-OMI_3230-87-88.jpg>