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Re: The RI boxcar in yard

rdietrichson
 

Ben,
I guess I asked the question incorrectly. I was wondering if the RI car remained as aDS car into the early fifties without having been rebuilt.
Rick Dietrichson

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From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: The RI boxcar in yard


Rick Dietrichson wrote:
"I'm wondering how long the USRA Rock Island boxcar lasted in service.
My '56 ORER shows this number to be a stock car."

Actually, the last unrebuilt cars left the roster in the early 1960s.
I'm on the road and can't check my ORERs; the January 1955 ORER shows
430 cars in the 155000-157499 series.

Ben Hom


Re: The RI boxcar in yard

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rick Dietrichson wrote:
"I'm wondering how long the USRA Rock Island boxcar lasted in service.
My '56 ORER shows this number to be a stock car."

Actually, the last unrebuilt cars left the roster in the early 1960s.
I'm on the road and can't check my ORERs; the January 1955 ORER shows
430 cars in the 155000-157499 series.


Ben Hom


Southern composite gons

rdietrichson
 

I'm back again with another question. What color is correct for a
Southern composite gon in the number series 286000-286999 in the early
fifties?
Thanks
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


The RI boxcar in yard

rdietrichson
 

Hey all,
I'm wondering how long the USRA Rock Island boxcar lasted in service.
My '56 ORER shows this number to be a stock car.

Thanks for any help.

Rick Dietrichson
Wilmingtom, NC


Coal in boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

This photo from the Life archive shows coal being shoveled out of a
boxcar into trucks.
Location is the Heart Mountain, WY internment camp, 1943.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=130c233955705d82&q=coal+source:life+-britain+-english&usg=__22BxaPVBI3RB7jXsXBErICdP3I0=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoal%2Bsource:life%2B-britain%2B-english%26as_st%3Dy%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Jack Mullen


Re: Wanted: Sunshine Models #76.1 SSW Flat Car Instructions and PDS

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Dennis, It would help if, when you have a long subject line, to repeat it in the body of your msg. I'm using Thunderbird and the way I have it set up, it truncates the subject to fit the field and I only get part of it. I could make the subject field longer but then I'd have to truncate the from field. I know you're looking for instructions and PDS, but we've talked about it off line.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard - PFE reefers

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I'm continuing to enjoy the postings of photos from Life with many
good finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere
in the USofA.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?
q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%
26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c

This is a gold star photo.

Look at the color variations on those PFE reefers! The wood reefer with
the SP hearald had to be yellow. There's another PFE reefer is the next
row that had to be very dark grime, maybe near black.

Ed


Wanted: Sunshine Models #76.1 SSW Flat Car Instructions and PDS

Dennis Williams
 

If anyone can help, please contact me off list. Thanks, Dennis


Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, michael bishop <goldrod_1@...> wrote:

Try this one.
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c


From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Subject: [STMFC] LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:23 AM

Track 1
Rock Island 77189 (?) - USRA double-sheathed box car
Southern Pacific xxxxx (?) - 40-foot, composite, drop-bottom gondola.
Aw, jeez. You can clearly see the R.I. reporting marks.

Next four cars are very similar single-sheathed box cars, but photo
enhancement fails to reveal
any reporting marks or numbers. The first car in the line seems to
have end and side ladders,
but it is difficult to determine.
The Rock had a whole bunch of single sheathed cars with single
sheathed ends; there is a photo of the fram of one in the 1922 CBC.
They vave a didtinctive end sill that mimics the shape of the bolster,
but we can't see the end sills on these cars. Still, I think they are
Rock Island.

Dennis


Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Eric Hansmann <eric@hansmanns.org> wrote:

From: Eric Hansmann <eric@hansmanns.org>
Subject: [STMFC] LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:23 AM






Rob Kirkham wrote:
Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable. ....? Reminds me of some of
the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page.....

============ ========= ========= =======

Well, I've got the morning off, so I'll take a crack at this.

Here's that link again:

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Locomotives+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DLocomotive s
%2Bsource:life% 26start%3D18% 26ndsp%3D18% 26hl%3Den% 26sa%3DN& imgurl=499ba8323 0c2fb3c

I downloaded the image to my computer and opened it in Photoshop. I used three main tools;
magnify, the Sharpen filter, and contrast and brightness adjustments. I was able to determine
the following details.

As a point of info, the car numbers are not easily determined on this photo, if they can be
seen at all. Without a car number, it is difficult to determine exactly what class or kind of
car is pictured here. Any updates to these comments are welcomed.

Track 1
Rock Island 77189 (?) - USRA double-sheathed box car
Southern Pacific xxxxx (?) - 40-foot, composite, drop-bottom gondola.
Next four cars are very similar single-sheathed box cars, but photo enhancement fails to reveal
any reporting marks or numbers. The first car in the line seems to have end and side ladders,
but it is difficult to determine.
Cars beyond this are difficult to determine.

Track 2
Unknown refrigerator car - it seems to be painted with dark sides and a white fascia. A small
portion of a circular herald can be seen but not enough detail is available to identify.
PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed. - A Southern Pacific Lines circular herald can be seen at
the far end, but there is no car number.
KCS 25037 (?) - 40-foot steel box car. This car seems to have a 7/8 Murphy end, so it may be a
rebuild.
Next two cars are refrigerator cars, but details are difficult to determine.

Track 3
Much of this track is empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on this
track are too far away to determine.

Track 4
PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but
the car number is unreadable.
PFE refrigerator car; steel-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but
the car number is unreadable.
Refrigerator car - A herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. It
looks like an ART car that was discussed here recently.
PFE refrigerator car - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is
unreadable.
A couple more similar refrigerator cars are on this track, but details cannot be determined.

Track 5
Much of this track is also empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on
this track are open top hoppers.

Track 6
Just the end corner of an odd composite car can be seen. The steel structure reminds me of a
Seley hopper.
Canadian National composite gondola with what seems like a load of run-of-mine coal.
Illinois Central twin offset hopper with a much finer coal load.
40-foot steel box car - GM&O? The reporting marks are not readable, but there is a recognizable
(yet unreadable) banner painted to the right of the door.
Rock Island Howe-truss, single-sheathed box car.
Unknown refrigerator car
Tall, single-sheathed door and a half 50-foot box car. Reporting marks and number are
unreadable.
Cars beyond this are difficult to determine.

Track 7 and Beyond
Past this last track, smaller details are difficult to determine. A Santa Fe herald is visible
on a reefer just beyond the IC hopper on track 6. The tops of a couple of tank cars can be seen
just beyond that car. Just to the left of the tank cars and back another row of cars, it looks
like there may be Dominion/Fowler car. The framing structure looks similar as does the
lettering placement, but positive ID cannot be made. Panning further right, a lone stock car
(Northern Pacific?) and a B&O wagon top box car catch the eye.

Many reefers and many single-sheathed box cars make this an interesting scene. I wish there was
another image from a different angle.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.
- for now


















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Nice Paint Job

Paul Catapano
 

I use a fine point "Sharpie" pen to "paint" the hinges on my reefers, or any other fine black parts I want to highlight.

Paul Catapano
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!


Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google

David Smith
 

If you are late to this thread like I am, and no longer have the orginal
post and can't get the url in the replies to work, try this
http://tinyurl.com/9a2jf9*

*Dave Smith*
*

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com> wrote:

That is one of the "great" shots!! It has some of every type of car. Ben
could teach a class with this shot about car identification.
I see one of those "wagon top" box cars. Guess it's B&O. It's in the
distant center.

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca <rdkirkham%40live.ca>>
wrote:

From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca <rdkirkham%40live.ca>>
Subject: [STMFC] LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted
by Google
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:59 AM

I'm continuing to enjoy the postings of photos from Life with many good
finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere in the
USofA. I'm a bit curious to know if those might be Dominion/Fowler box cars
- to my eye they appear to be a similar design, but I can't see reporting
marks. http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Locomotives+
source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DLocomotive s%2Bsource: life%26start%
3D18%26ndsp% 3D18%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 499ba83230c2fb3c

Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable. ....?
Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars
web page.....

Rob Kirkham






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Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Continuing C.J.'s confessional mode,

I actually built a plastic Cannonball Car Shops M-53 back in the early '80s when there wasn't a resin kit (at least as far as I knew then). It's not too bad looking a model, if I do say so, not lop-sided at all, and I may post a photo of it if I get the chance. Dimensionally it's as Bill Darnaby warned, about 9 inches too wide over the side posts and about 3 inches too high over the running board (and that's relatively thin; I probably replaced the kit part with something else). The length and truck centers are correct. I definitely replaced the kit's ladders and used wire grabs and stirrups, and I scratchbuilt a representation of the Duryea underframe, although it's now clear to me that at that time I didn't understand how to correctly install the brake equipment on it. The rivets along the side posts are on the gross side, and the posts themselves a little understated (though less so than on the old Trains Inc. brass model, which I also have).

I've since built the West Shore Line M-53 kit from Central Hobby Supply, which I believe was made by F&C - am I revealing a mild obsession with wagon-tops? - and I'm much happier with that car than with either earlier model. I may get around to trying one of the Sunshine M-15s.

Merry Christmas,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946

Eric Hansmann
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable.....? Reminds me of some of
the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page.....

=====================================



Well, I've got the morning off, so I'll take a crack at this.

Here's that link again:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives
%2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c

I downloaded the image to my computer and opened it in Photoshop. I used three main tools;
magnify, the Sharpen filter, and contrast and brightness adjustments. I was able to determine
the following details.

As a point of info, the car numbers are not easily determined on this photo, if they can be
seen at all. Without a car number, it is difficult to determine exactly what class or kind of
car is pictured here. Any updates to these comments are welcomed.

Track 1
Rock Island 77189 (?) - USRA double-sheathed box car
Southern Pacific xxxxx (?) - 40-foot, composite, drop-bottom gondola.
Next four cars are very similar single-sheathed box cars, but photo enhancement fails to reveal
any reporting marks or numbers. The first car in the line seems to have end and side ladders,
but it is difficult to determine.
Cars beyond this are difficult to determine.

Track 2
Unknown refrigerator car - it seems to be painted with dark sides and a white fascia. A small
portion of a circular herald can be seen but not enough detail is available to identify.
PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed. - A Southern Pacific Lines circular herald can be seen at
the far end, but there is no car number.
KCS 25037 (?) - 40-foot steel box car. This car seems to have a 7/8 Murphy end, so it may be a
rebuild.
Next two cars are refrigerator cars, but details are difficult to determine.

Track 3
Much of this track is empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on this
track are too far away to determine.

Track 4
PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but
the car number is unreadable.
PFE refrigerator car; steel-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but
the car number is unreadable.
Refrigerator car - A herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. It
looks like an ART car that was discussed here recently.
PFE refrigerator car - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is
unreadable.
A couple more similar refrigerator cars are on this track, but details cannot be determined.

Track 5
Much of this track is also empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on
this track are open top hoppers.

Track 6
Just the end corner of an odd composite car can be seen. The steel structure reminds me of a
Seley hopper.
Canadian National composite gondola with what seems like a load of run-of-mine coal.
Illinois Central twin offset hopper with a much finer coal load.
40-foot steel box car - GM&O? The reporting marks are not readable, but there is a recognizable
(yet unreadable) banner painted to the right of the door.
Rock Island Howe-truss, single-sheathed box car.
Unknown refrigerator car
Tall, single-sheathed door and a half 50-foot box car. Reporting marks and number are
unreadable.
Cars beyond this are difficult to determine.

Track 7 and Beyond
Past this last track, smaller details are difficult to determine. A Santa Fe herald is visible
on a reefer just beyond the IC hopper on track 6. The tops of a couple of tank cars can be seen
just beyond that car. Just to the left of the tank cars and back another row of cars, it looks
like there may be Dominion/Fowler car. The framing structure looks similar as does the
lettering placement, but positive ID cannot be made. Panning further right, a lone stock car
(Northern Pacific?) and a B&O wagon top box car catch the eye.

Many reefers and many single-sheathed box cars make this an interesting scene. I wish there was
another image from a different angle.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.
- for now


Re: nice paint job

jerryglow2
 

I think I used a Tamya paint pen

Jerry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@> wrote:
I used them to complete my otherwise
Champ and ALPS lettered car as can be seen:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/ART.html
Nice job of painting the hinges Jerry. Any hints?

Ed Mines


Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google

Don Worthy
 

That is one of the "great" shots!! It has some of every type of car. Ben could teach a class with this shot about car identification.
I see one of those "wagon top" box cars. Guess it's B&O. It's in the distant center.

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:

From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca>
Subject: [STMFC] LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:59 AM






I'm continuing to enjoy the postings of photos from Life with many good finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere in the USofA. I'm a bit curious to know if those might be Dominion/Fowler box cars - to my eye they appear to be a similar design, but I can't see reporting marks. http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Locomotives+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DLocomotive s%2Bsource: life%26start% 3D18%26ndsp% 3D18%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 499ba83230c2fb3c

Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable. ....? Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page.....

Rob Kirkham

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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

aikenair@...
 

No one has mentioned the location of these photos. I don't know whether
they were all taken at the same time and place, but hey appear to have been.
However, I can recognize the landmarks in the photo below. It was taken at the
B&O yards at Locust Point in Baltimore, Maryland..


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LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google

Robert kirkham
 

I'm continuing to enjoy the postings of photos from Life with many good finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere in the USofA. I'm a bit curious to know if those might be Dominion/Fowler box cars - to my eye they appear to be a similar design, but I can't see reporting marks. http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c

Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable.....? Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page.....

Rob Kirkham


Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

But, we stray from Steam Era Freight Cars, and I fear the wrath of
the Brockmeister!
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni
What's the problem? Can't we discuss tank cars here?

Tom M.


Re: LIFE - Trainscapes 1950: View from a train window.

bill_d_goat
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

Oh man, yea. There are some terrific shots in that group. There is
one shot that shows a yellow OB box car with the "jar" painted on the
door. I'm not sure what it was called but, I'm sure that type car has
been talked about on this site.
That was Muncie & Western car, called The Ball Line. Muncie was the
home of the maker of the glass jars used for home 'canning' that was
common back then. They are still made so I guess it's still done
Bill Williams

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