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Sinclair Tank car

Andy Carlson
 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Wayne Whitlow <k4rzw@bellsouth.net> wrote:

........ An alternative is to use undecorated P2K
kits (which
are also had to find)
I have a good number of fresh, never been opened, LifeLike P2K kits of undecorated 10000 gallon tank cars. These cars are specially priced at $7.00 each, plus shipping.

-Andy Carlson
<midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Ojai CA


Re: Sinclair tanks

Steve SANDIFER
 

Ebay. You will find them if patient.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sinclair tanks


> Proto did the Sinclair tank cars in both uninsulated and insulated 10k
> versions. I have a few in the basement. Sorry SGL. not for sale.
>
> Brian J Carlson P.E.
> Cheektowaga NY

Well, thanks for the info, Brian, but . . . . geez, that's just . . . mean!!

;^)

SGL


Re: QUESTIONS

Steve SANDIFER
 

SFRD
17851 - RR-25, 333 in 1961, Intermountain model
18700 - RR-28, 304 in 1961, Intermountain model.
10756 - RR-46, 700 in 1961, Intermountain model
12551 - RR-51, 475 in 1961, Plug door, Sunshine Resin Model
All 40' Ice Bunker reefers
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: joel norman
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 7:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] QUESTIONS


Gentleman..Merry Chirstmas and a Blessed 2009..
As a early Chirstmas gift I was given a stack of BAR Switch List(called
Conductors Tally)for most of 1961.What I found interesting and odd was
there were a good many SFRD cars.
SFRD 18700
17851
12551
10756
Also a car with the reporting marks KPCX(loaded with TAR)anything on
this car?What Id like to know what the SFRD cars were:bunker/mech or
insulated????Since my cut off date is summer 1962(Maine)want to see if
these cars can be modeled in HO.
Hope you can help
Joel Norman--Eastern Maine Rly(aka B&ML)


Re: B&O wagontop box

Bob McCarthy
 

Jim,
 
    Sign me up for six of the Scale S ones.  When do you plan to produce them?
 
Bob

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Jim King <jimking3@charter.net> wrote:

From: Jim King <jimking3@charter.net>
Subject: [STMFC] B&O wagontop box
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 4:37 PM






Is there sufficient interest to produce a 1-pc body B&O M53 or the like in
HO resin using my CAD/SLA technology? If so, I'll give it serious thought
as I'm designing the S scale version in 2009.

Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmo delworks. com

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Re: SP DF B-50-22

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
"A pet peeve I wish manufacturers would leave item numbers and
thumbnail views of sold out/OOP cars on their websites for those of us
trying to track down old cars."

I'll third that. Web space is almost free. It amazes me that sellers don't take the time to describe their products well on the web. It is easy and esentially free to do so.

While not a freight car, MRC website for their decoders is the worst. Why bother making different products if you are not going to tell the public what is different about them?

For those manufacturers that frequent this list, please put good information on the web, we will buy more if you do.

Ned Carey


Re: SP DF B-50-22

waynewhitlow
 

Richard is correct on the Sinclair Proto 2000 10K gal. cars in two
styles, insulated and uninsulated. They came in kits, time-saver kits
and assembled. However, it has been tough to track down any of the
cars. In the past year, I have been able to find kits for both styles
and only one assembled model, but they are scarce and it took a lot of
time on the internet checking the inventories of almost every hobby
shop that has a searchable data base. Walthers does list them all if
you include out-of-stock in your search. There was one dealer in
Europe that had a couple of cars several months ago, but there was no
way to order online. An alternative is to use undecorated kits (which
are also had to find) and the Champ Sinclair decal sets which are
still available. The only problem there is that as Richard pointed
out in a previous post, the Champ set is for a 8K gal. car which
Sinclair did not own. Good luck.

Wayne Whitlow

On Dec 21, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Thanks, Richard, that's probably the one I saw advertized. And this
is probably the lead I need to
find it.

I somehow thought it was a Red Caboose model . . .

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:23 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SP DF B-50-22

On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I'd second Brian's comment. I'm sometimes wondering if someone
made
a particular car already, or if
I need to do some additional work to make one. One in particular
is
that somebody made a tank car
lettered for SINCLAIR a few years ago; I know that I saw the car
advertised, and thought "I'd like
one or two of those." But it was only five or six months later
that
the passing thought returned,
and I could not find that original advert again. Nor could I find
any reference to it in
manufacturers' web pages. Sure, likely sold out, but it would not
be the first time I've had to
web-crawl dealer's shelves looking for unsold new stock.
Schuyler, several manufacturers (e.g., Athearn, Red Caboose) have
produced bogus models with Sinclair P/L, but the only accurate model
I'm aware of is a Proto 2000 10K gal. One or two of those shouldn't
be too hard to track down on the resale market.

Richard Hendrickson







Terry Wegmann's R-40-21 kit availability

Andy Carlson
 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, radius158 <gard158@hotmail.com> wrote:

Are any of terry Wegmann's kits still available? if
so, where? Doug Gardner
I have a few of Terry Wegmann's HO R-40-21 kits available in the black hardware version. Priced at $18.00, trucks couplers and decals are not included. Contact me at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> if interested. I should have some R-30-18 kits in both Orange and Black hardware versions, plus Orange hardware R-40-21 kits, as well available this Spring.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Sinclair tanks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Proto did the Sinclair tank cars in both uninsulated and insulated 10k
versions. I have a few in the basement. Sorry SGL. not for sale.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Well, thanks for the info, Brian, but . . . . geez, that's just . . . mean!!

;^)

SGL


Re: LIFE-LIKE OOP CARS (was SP DF B-50-22)

Paul Lyons
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Life-Like used to maintain a list of sold-out and OOP cars on their P2K
website; sadly, that went away when Walthers bought the line.

Kadee maintains a list of sold-out/OOP models.

Ben Hom



By chance does anyone have the old Life-Like P2K list of sold out or OOP freight cars?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA?


Sinclair tanks

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Proto did the Sinclair tank cars in both uninsulated and insulated 10k
versions. I have a few in the basement. Sorry SGL. not for sale.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

rfederle@...
 

Might be worth a second try at getting permission. You never know. They may have a change of heart.

A similar situation in Hamilton Ohio. There is a PRR Brick Freight House standing and is now a scrap dealers office. It too sits behind fencing and only one or two sides visible to photograph. I e-mailed the owner and surprisingly have been granted permission. I explained that I wanted to photograph the entire exterior and they told me to call before comimng. I should be up that way in a few months.

Give another shot, if you want to.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Robert Federle
---- RUTLANDRS@aol.com wrote:


About 10 years ago, I tried to convince Life Like to produce a "wagon top",
and was informed that they wanted cars that were bought by at least 10 roads.
I tried to impress the fact of the ubiquitous ness of this car with no luck.
Still today, one sits on the ground at a very small scrap dealer in
Danville, Virginia as a storage shed. It is a faded green with no trucks and no
way to get photos. It's behind a cyclone fence next to US 58 that has no place
to pull off and the folks at the yard are very much less than friendly.
I went with a couple of F&C kits and like them. In O scale, a few years
ago 3rd Rail (Sunset) offered these at $150.00, along with the "wagon top"
covered hopper and caboose at the same price.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division.



In a message dated 12/21/2008 10:22:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bakert@andrews.edu writes:






It is interesting that some modelers apparently consider the B&O M-53 wagon
top a model with limited appeal. True enough, the car was unique to the B&O,
but didn't it show up on almost every railroad in the country. We certainly
saw numerous examples on railroads around Minneapolis/O, but didn't it show up
on almost ever&O.

Yes, the car was unique to the B&O; but, like the MILW horizonatally-O;
but, like the MILW horizonatally-<WBR>ribbed cars, so

Tom

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Re: SP DF B-50-22

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Richard, that's probably the one I saw advertized. And this is probably the lead I need to
find it.

I somehow thought it was a Red Caboose model . . .

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:23 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SP DF B-50-22

On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I'd second Brian's comment. I'm sometimes wondering if someone made
a particular car already, or if
I need to do some additional work to make one. One in particular is
that somebody made a tank car
lettered for SINCLAIR a few years ago; I know that I saw the car
advertised, and thought "I'd like
one or two of those." But it was only five or six months later that
the passing thought returned,
and I could not find that original advert again. Nor could I find
any reference to it in
manufacturers' web pages. Sure, likely sold out, but it would not
be the first time I've had to
web-crawl dealer's shelves looking for unsold new stock.
Schuyler, several manufacturers (e.g., Athearn, Red Caboose) have
produced bogus models with Sinclair P/L, but the only accurate model
I'm aware of is a Proto 2000 10K gal. One or two of those shouldn't
be too hard to track down on the resale market.

Richard Hendrickson






Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Andy Carlson wrote:
The project was offered for sale to a smaller manufacturer who upon
inspection, laughed and called the mess a waste of material, only
the
mold base was deemed salvageable. I don't know the current status,
perhaps it was sold for scrap? But the timeline for this goes
further
back than 2004-2006. Branchline was rumored to be considering a B&O
round roof car.
This may be a literally true story, but I always worry about
stories getting "improved" with time, so that the "laughing" at the
tooling may be a later enlargement of the story. Yet now that Andy has
posted this version, it's going to be repeated, since stuff "on the
internet" is regarded as gospel by some.
I guess I am a little doubtful that Jerry Porter could not tell
if tooling was "a mess," given all his experience in the business.
Perhaps the confused person was the prospective buyer.


















I'll second Tony's skepticism here. Jerry Porter's business acumen
was awful, but his technical expertise was very good. I'd believe
this yarn only if Jerry had contracted the project to an inept
toolmaker. It wouldn't be the first time that a toolmaker produced
an unacceptable product and then tried to palm it off on someone
other than the person who commissioned it.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: SP DF B-50-22

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I'd second Brian's comment. I'm sometimes wondering if someone made
a particular car already, or if
I need to do some additional work to make one. One in particular is
that somebody made a tank car
lettered for SINCLAIR a few years ago; I know that I saw the car
advertised, and thought "I'd like
one or two of those." But it was only five or six months later that
the passing thought returned,
and I could not find that original advert again. Nor could I find
any reference to it in
manufacturers' web pages. Sure, likely sold out, but it would not
be the first time I've had to
web-crawl dealer's shelves looking for unsold new stock.














Schuyler, several manufacturers (e.g., Athearn, Red Caboose) have
produced bogus models with Sinclair P/L, but the only accurate model
I'm aware of is a Proto 2000 10K gal. One or two of those shouldn't
be too hard to track down on the resale market.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: QUESTIONS

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 21, 2008, at 5:38 AM, joel norman wrote:

Gentleman..Merry Chirstmas and a Blessed 2009..
As a early Chirstmas gift I was given a stack of BAR Switch List
(called
Conductors Tally)for most of 1961.What I found interesting and odd was
there were a good many SFRD cars.
SFRD 18700
17851
12551
10756

Also a car with the reporting marks KPCX(loaded with TAR)anything on
this car?What Id like to know what the SFRD cars were:bunker/mech or
insulated????Since my cut off date is summer 1962(Maine)want to see if
these cars can be modeled in HO.














SFRD 18700: Rr-28 class steel rebuild of USRA-design ice-bunker
refrigerator car
SFRD 17851: Rr-25 class ditto
SFRD 12551: Invalid SFRD number
SFRD 10756: Invalid SFRD number

The Rr-25 and Rr-28 classes as rebuilt are modeled in HO by
Intermountain, but the cars listed above were modernized and
renumbered in 1955 with reversed ice hatch covers, extensive
underframe and side sill modifications, and sliding plug doors. C&BT
shops once made styrene HO scale models of the cars in that form, but
they fell far short of current state of the art, have long been out
of production, and are now very hard to find.

The KPCX tank car was owned and operated by the Koppers Co. of
Pittsburgh, who made coal tar chemicals. Most of their cars were
insulated, and many of them were Standard Tank Car Co. cars; models
of them may be coming in the future from Southern Car & Foundry. If
you can provide a number, I may have a photo of a car in that number
series.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
The project was offered for sale to a smaller manufacturer who upon inspection, laughed and called the mess a waste of material, only the mold base was deemed salvageable. I don't know the current status, perhaps it was sold for scrap? But the timeline for this goes further back than 2004-2006. Branchline was rumored to be considering a B&O round roof car.
This may be a literally true story, but I always worry about stories getting "improved" with time, so that the "laughing" at the tooling may be a later enlargement of the story. Yet now that Andy has posted this version, it's going to be repeated, since stuff "on the internet" is regarded as gospel by some.
I guess I am a little doubtful that Jerry Porter could not tell if tooling was "a mess," given all his experience in the business. Perhaps the confused person was the prospective buyer.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SP DF B-50-22

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
"A pet peeve I wish manufacturers would leave item numbers and
thumbnail views of sold out/OOP cars on their websites for those of us
trying to track down old cars."

Life-Like used to maintain a list of sold-out and OOP cars on their P2K
website; sadly, that went away when Walthers bought the line.

Kadee maintains a list of sold-out/OOP models.

Ben Hom
I'd second Brian's comment. I'm sometimes wondering if someone made a particular car already, or if
I need to do some additional work to make one. One in particular is that somebody made a tank car
lettered for SINCLAIR a few years ago; I know that I saw the car advertised, and thought "I'd like
one or two of those." But it was only five or six months later that the passing thought returned,
and I could not find that original advert again. Nor could I find any reference to it in
manufacturers' web pages. Sure, likely sold out, but it would not be the first time I've had to
web-crawl dealer's shelves looking for unsold new stock.

SGL


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Thomas Baker
 

It is interesting that some modelers apparently consider the B&O M-53 wagon top a model with limited appeal. True enough, the car was unique to the B&O, but didn't it show up on almost every railroad in the country. We certainly saw numerous examples on railroads around Minneapolis/St. Paul, some distance away from the B&O.

Yes, the car was unique to the B&O; but, like the MILW horizonatally-ribbed cars, so ubiquitous that it showed up everywhere.

Tom


Re: Al Westerfield's new R7 reefer version with Hutchins roof

radius158
 

Are any of terry Wegman's kits still available? if so, where? Doug Gardner
-

-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

I received my order yesterday from Al of this new version of the ex-
PRR R7 that were all eventually sold to Fruit Growers Express. I am
already building the previous release, one of each of the early
roofs.

One significant change to this release in addition to the Hutchins
roof. Al includes the parts to modify the ends of wood bulge plates
just above the sill. On the cars built by the Pennsy, these
structures had another bracket casting indentical to the others,
while the cars built by the commercial builders had a different kind
of bracket at the end of this bulge beam. The PRR built cars also
had a six rung side ladder and no drop grab under the ladder. I
spent the morning modifying one of the cars already underway with
end beam parts pirated from one of the new kits. There is some
slight surgery required to cut into the body casting on each end. It
looks really good with the new parts applied.

Regarding the Hutchins roof, I have a Wil Whittaker photo of FGEX
43509 reweighed at Hillyard Washington on 9-45 with the Hutchins
roof applied. (Still equiped w/KD brakes too.) Modelers need to
remove the small rib cast into each roof panel as panels used by FGE
did not have these. I removed them from three roofs last night while
watching a DVR recording of "Sand Hogs." Sanding each panel with 600
grit sandpaper and then 1000 grit goes quickly.

Practicially no two of these cars were the same with different sill
steps on some, different lengths of the second grab on the left end
of the car, or no second grab, two different trucks, etc, so they
are fun to build with different details. The sill step from Terry
Wegmans PFE kit are perfect for many of these cars.

Best to work from photos. Enjoy!

Bill


Re: SP DF B-50-22

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
"A pet peeve I wish manufacturers would leave item numbers and
thumbnail views of sold out/OOP cars on their websites for those of us
trying to track down old cars."

Life-Like used to maintain a list of sold-out and OOP cars on their P2K
website; sadly, that went away when Walthers bought the line.

Kadee maintains a list of sold-out/OOP models.


Ben Hom

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