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Please explain this: SP 40' boxcar in "white" livree ?

Enzo Fortuna <babbo_enzo@...>
 

In search of pictures of Sp cars, I fall on the
http://www.boxcars.us/index.html
site "Boxcars & Freight Cars of North America"
Inside the SP section found this:
http://www.boxcars.us/SP-SZ/pages/image013.html
Some explanation for the unusual paint color ?
Thanks
Enzo Fortuna (Italy)


Re: Article of Interest - SP Flatcars

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Ben:



On behalf of Pat Bray and the SPH&TS thanks for the nice plug on our
magazine.



Paul C. Koehler



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benjaminfrank_hom
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:02 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Article of Interest - SP Flatcars



The Fall 2008 issue of the SP society's SP Trainline has a very
intersting article by Pat Bray on "How to Model a 1960s Era MUG
Train". As the title indicates, it's written in the context of cars in
service in the 1960s and covers some prototypes beyond the scope of
this list, but it does have write-ups on improving the appearance of
the Red Caboose Class F-70-7 flatcar, creative use of the Mantua/Tyco
50 ft flats (not to be confused with the ex-Lindberg flat in the
Mantua "Heavies" line) as stand-in models, and some really neat
scratchbuilding techniques for welded flatcars.
http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/5o5w2p> com/5o5w2p

Ben Hom


Article of Interest - SP Flatcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

The Fall 2008 issue of the SP society's SP Trainline has a very
intersting article by Pat Bray on "How to Model a 1960s Era MUG
Train". As the title indicates, it's written in the context of cars in
service in the 1960s and covers some prototypes beyond the scope of
this list, but it does have write-ups on improving the appearance of
the Red Caboose Class F-70-7 flatcar, creative use of the Mantua/Tyco
50 ft flats (not to be confused with the ex-Lindberg flat in the
Mantua "Heavies" line) as stand-in models, and some really neat
scratchbuilding techniques for welded flatcars.
http://tinyurl.com/5o5w2p


Ben Hom


Re: New stuff from Speedwitch

Fritz Milhaupt
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Ted, nice to see a PM car being done. IMO they had a very interesting
looking boxcar fleet. I see I'll have to do some saving before I
can spring
for one of these models....

Dave Nelson

"Interesting" is a very kind way of putting it. Some of us might
phrase it as "frustrating combination of heights, ends and roofs" once
you get away from some of the steel boxcars...

I'm positively ecstatic to see this car come out. It's a signature car
of the PM boxcar fleet, and the only design of PM wooden boxcar to
still exist in any quantity. Examples still exist at the B&O Museum in
Baltimore, a park in Taylor, Michigan, the Steam Railroading Institute
(SRI) in Owosso, Michigan, and a couple on a stretch of neglected
track in Ludington, Michigan. The one at SRI was in pretty poor shape
when they got it, and the conventional thought is that it is beyond
reasonable repair.

I'm actually glad that it took a while to get this model out, since it
gave me a chance to stash away the money for the first ten I'll need...

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org


Pere Marquette freight cars in N scale

destron@...
 

First off a question: they aren't in the Revenue Freight cars book, but do
Atlas' 70-ton ore cars in Pere Marquette lettering (#39990A, road #CF1512;
#39991A, road #CF1523) have a prototype?

Beyond that, I've started poking through what's available in N scale to
determine what could be used as basis models for modelling PM freight
cars... here's the list I've made so far. If anyone has tips for others,
or better solutions to the ones I've listed, I'd love to hear it!

13000-13999
14000-14499 - Microtrains twin hopper: The picture on the website is
small, but looks right at a quick inspection.

16000-16099 - Red Caboose USRA flatcar: overall a good basis I think, only
would have to rearrange the stake pockets and the brake staff to make an
accurate model.

17000-17249
17250-17649 - Intermountain USRA drop-bottom gon: I think this will need a
little bit of tweaking, but the general appearance looks right. I picked
one of these kits up today, so will be attempting to build one of these
cars first.

20000-20024
20025-20049
20050-20149 - Deluxe Innovations ACF 2-Bay covered hopper: The pictures on
the website are small, but overall look right enough to use as a basis for
these PM cars

72200-72399 - Intermountain 50' AAR double-door boxcar: this would I think
be a standin at best, judging from the photos of the model (which are
here, too, almost uselessly small on the website, so it may be better than
I think, or conversely worse than I think).

80000-81999 - Atlas USRA double-sheath car: pretty much as-is, I think,
apart from detailing.

82000-83499 - Red Caboose X29 with Dreadnaught ends and Youngstown doors:
the handbrake and roof are wrong, but this is probably fixable. The
dimensions of the X29 and the 82000srs cars are pretty close (in the April
1942 ORER), and appearance-wise, it looks like this model could serve
(with modification) to represent the first PM all-steel boxcars.

83500-83649
83650-83799
83800-83999
84100-84399 - Intermountain 40' 1937 AAR boxcar. With IM's interchangeable
parts, the differences in ends and doors shouldn't be an issue, I don't
think, if they have a 4/5 W end and both 7-panel Superior and 5-7-5
Youngstown doors.

85000-85999
86000-87499 - Atlas USRA double-sheath car: for the single-door versions
the Atlas car could serve as a starting point for a kitbash. The Vulcan
and Hutchins ends would of course have to be scratchbuilt, and steel-door
versions would need the doors changed... even the door-and-a-half versions
could be done, I think, with the Atlas model as a basis. I'm planning to
do several of these over the next while (as I can get my hands on the
models!)

That's it for now, still need to look at available steel gondola models.
If there's one or two available that could serve as basis models, I think
with a bit of effort a good representation of the PM's freight car fleet
can be made in 1:160. :)

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


MaTrix boxcars, was Re: Re: New stuff from Speedwitch

Bernd Schroeder
 

Hello Tom,

welcome to the wonderful world of Modelrailroading in Marklin-Style...

basically, Marklin and Trix are the same, just that the Marklin is the AC-Version and Trix the DC-Version (reflecting the deeply rooted separation of the german HO MR scene). If you decide to replace the underframe, it is the same work.

as for paint removal, I seriously doubt that this can be answered without destructive testing (of which you have provided a thorough base already).
I can try whether I have some success with some German products for this purpose on some leftover parts from a Trix boxcar which has been reduced to the sides in regards of useful parts (and even those require some work, since they are neither scale 10� nor 10�6", but something in between....


best regards

Bernd

firmly on the DC side of the trench

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:20 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New stuff from Speedwitch



Union Pacific welded underframe parts set (for Trix B-50-24/27 and
Sunshine B-50-32/33)
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/p105.htm
[snip]

UP B-50-24/27 box car decals
http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d125.htm
Are the Trix and Marklin B-50-24/27 the same? I bought two of the
Marklin models with the Be Specific with large UNION PACIFIC lettering
when they first came out and would certainly use the above parts and
decals to upgrade/backdate them. Problem is, I was unable to strip the
one Marklin I tried using any paint stripper on hand. (Brake fluid,
Chameleon, Scalecoat, all with ultrasonic, alcohol without ultrasonic.)
I finally tried a light, low-angle grit blast, but that removed the
rivets as well as the paint. So now I have one. Any ideas??

Tom Madden


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True Line Trains stockcar?

PBowers
 

At 11:18 PM 28/10/2008, you wrote:

Ed Mines was nice enough to e-mail me privately to point out that I
was likely thinking of the ad in the November MR, and sure enough,
there it was right on my desk.

It appears they have created a new floor, underframe, details and
trucks for what was the LifeLike Canada P1K Dominion / Fowler boxcar,
then crafted new sides and doors to make the stockcar version. The pix
don't look bad, hope I can see them at Milwaukee Trainfest.

Thanks, Dennis
David Altbaum, owner of True Line Trains noted the following on another list (Thu Oct 9, 2008)


"With regards to the retooling project of the Fowler box and stock cars are concerned, these 2 projects have been put on hold until I get a clearer view of exactly what (detail & parts) was on the car. When I was given the original information for the retooling I sent it off to the factory and gave them the go ahead to tool. Then, well into the tooling (3 months later) I was advised that some of things that was on the information and already tooled was in fact not on the car and other information that had been tooled as it was on the original information was in fact not on the car.
The bottom line here is that my tens of thousands of dollars for the work already done is out the window and at this point in time there is too much changing information to continue.
I can tell you that the information I receive is from some of the best minds in our hobby and considered the brain trust. These people are bright and very trustworthy and I have a high regards and respect for them. They do the very best they can but sometimes there are projects that at the get-go the information is too sketchy but we try to plod ahead
If I decide to continue after I have recouped a substantial amount of money wasted on this project I will revisit it but for now it is on hold.
I will tell you that if and when I proceed it will be for both CN & CP but not at the same time.
Thank you very much for your input.
Yours Truly
David Altbaum"


I hope this helps clears the air as to the status of the project.

Peter Bowers



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Re: Brass PRR X23 - Suggestions in HO Scale?

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Jason - The MTS version was built from MR plans that had the doors opening in the wrong direction! So go with Overland. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: parkcitybranch
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Brass PRR X23 - Suggestions in HO Scale?


I would like to add a PRR X23 to my HO scale collection of brass
freight cars. I see there have been a few importers who have done
this car such as Overland and MTS. Any thoughts to which importer did
the better X23? I know there are resin versions out there but this is
for the brass collection. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: Bob's Photo

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The number I gave Bob sent me via email today.

SGL


Howdy!

Spoke with Bob today before he left for [Naperville], IL; his number today was 916-322- 0395.
He will return next
week. If you need his address let me know later.

Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net
<mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net> >
wrote:

From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net <mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net> >
Subject: [STMFC] Bob's Photo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:07 PM

606-845-3323

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Brass PRR X23 - Suggestions in HO Scale?

Paul Lyons
 

Jason,

Do yourself a favor and make another selection for the brass collection. All of the brass X23's are pretty bad when compared to Al Westerfield's resin offering.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca

-----Original Message-----
From: parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 7:28 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Brass PRR X23 - Suggestions in HO Scale?






I would like to add a PRR X23 to my HO scale collection of brass
freight cars. I see there have been a few importers who have done
this car such as Overland and MTS. Any thoughts to which importer did
the better X23? I know there are resin versions out there but this is
for the brass collection. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Brass PRR X23 - Suggestions in HO Scale?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I would like to add a PRR X23 to my HO scale collection of brass
freight cars. I see there have been a few importers who have done
this car such as Overland and MTS. Any thoughts to which importer did
the better X23? I know there are resin versions out there but this is
for the brass collection. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: Bob's Photo

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy!
 
     Spoke with Bob today before he left for Napiere(?), IL; his number today was 916-322- 0395.  He will return next week.  If you need his address let me know later.
 
Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> wrote:

From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Bob's Photo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:07 PM






606-845-3323

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


















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Re: New stuff from Speedwitch

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Union Pacific welded underframe parts set (for Trix B-50-24/27 and
Sunshine B-50-32/33)
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/p105.htm
[snip]

UP B-50-24/27 box car decals
http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d125.htm
Are the Trix and Marklin B-50-24/27 the same? I bought two of the
Marklin models with the Be Specific with large UNION PACIFIC lettering
when they first came out and would certainly use the above parts and
decals to upgrade/backdate them. Problem is, I was unable to strip the
one Marklin I tried using any paint stripper on hand. (Brake fluid,
Chameleon, Scalecoat, all with ultrasonic, alcohol without ultrasonic.)
I finally tried a light, low-angle grit blast, but that removed the
rivets as well as the paint. So now I have one. Any ideas??

Tom Madden


Re: Lists of freight car models

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Rick,

So could you direct us to where we might see a copy of your work on the topic?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Thanks - Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Jenrick [mailto:Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:16 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lists of freight car models

Frank,
I compiled a list showing cars that are or can be converted to Santa Fe prototypes, but know of no overall listing.
You have to go to each historical society and check each fo a listing.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: destron@vcn.bc.ca
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lists of freight car models



I know there have been a number of lists made of HO scale models available
and accuracies thereof... has any such thing been done for N scale models?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC








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Re: B&O hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Fred Mullins asked:
"I have a set of Broadway Limited Imports H2a 3-bay B&O hoppers and
would like to know if these car are correct for the B&O or at least
close to what they had."

Stand-ins for B&O B&O 3000-4499, N&W Class H-3 triple hoppers leased
between 1944 and 1948. See Bob Chapman's articles in the December 2005
and January 2006 issues for details on the N&W triples fleet and how to
upgrade this model.


Ben Hom


B&O hoppers

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I have a set of Broadway Limited Imports H2a 3-bay B&O hoppers and
would like to know if these car are correct for the B&O or at least
close to what they had.
Thanks for any info provided,
Fred Mullins


Bob's Photo

Schuyler Larrabee
 

606-845-3323

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: New stuff from Speedwitch

tcschc <tculotta@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ted Culotta <tculotta@> wrote:

Here is the rundown:
Union Pacific welded underframe parts set (for Trix B-50-24/27 and
Sunshine B-50-32/33)
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/p105.htm
Would this also be appropriate for the Trix double door boxcar?

Walt Lankenau
Walt,

I don't know. I would suspect not, but I have never seen a set of drawings for the A-50-
16. What I have is the UP's proprietary welded underframe for the box cars. If someone
has drawings for the A-50-16, I'd love to see about making that underframe, too, if it's
different.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Lists of freight car models

rdietrichson
 

Frank,
I compiled a list showing cars that are or can be converted to Santa Fe prototypes, but know of no overall listing.
You have to go to each historical society and check each fo a listing.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

----- Original Message -----
From: destron@vcn.bc.ca
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lists of freight car models



I know there have been a number of lists made of HO scale models available
and accuracies thereof... has any such thing been done for N scale models?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: New stuff from Speedwitch

Dave Nelson
 

Ted, nice to see a PM car being done. IMO they had a very interesting
looking boxcar fleet. I see I'll have to do some saving before I can spring
for one of these models....

Dave Nelson

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