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Re: Trust Plates

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
Understanding the reason for the application of Trust plates on locomotives, passenger and freight cars, what I do not know is whether these plates were applied in pairs (one on each side), or singly. On intuition and reason alone, I would not understand why any piece of equipment might need more than one piece of evidence as to its legal ownership . . .
I don't know the answer, Denny, but if they were singly applied, it is striking that EVERY builder and amateur photo of new cars on roads for which I have good coverage (of course, for classes with trust plates) shows a plate. But that could have varied from road to road, or from trust issuer to issuer.

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Trust Plates

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Understanding the reason for the application of Trust plates on locomotives, passenger and freight cars, what I do not know is whether these plates were applied in pairs (one on each side), or singly. On intuition and reason alone, I would not understand why any piece of equipment might need more than one piece of evidence as to its legal ownership , but..what do I know about it?

To my knowledge the information on the plates was not useful in routine operations, but only to indicate in any legal dispute who the actual owner of the piece of equipment might be at the time. If the the owner (i.e. bank or lessor) changed, the plate would be then removed, or changed.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: SP DF B-50-22

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tony: Thanks for the info. I know the car number I mentioned was the one on
the p2k car because I was surprised it was in V4. I really do not know if it
was first run or a later one. I think it was a later run since the dealer
that had it ususally sells only new run stuff. I saw it at a train show in
September, and was going to pick it up but my friend said he had one he
could sell me. Turns out he had a DD car which was totally different. I
thought the "DF" was orange since I had your book and remembered it was
supposed to be orange. However, I can not find the car on Walthers website.

A pet peeve I wish manufacturers would leave item numbers and thumbnail
views of sold out/OOP cars on their websites for those of us thrying to
track down old cars.
Brian Carlson

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:16:13 -0800, Anthony Thompson wrote

Brian, Walthers used to make that decal, but I have heard it's
no longer available. I didn't know that P2K had ever done the DF
scheme with correct orange lettering (their SP "expert" told them it
should be yellow in the first run), but if they did, that would be a
good find.


Re: SP DF B-50-22

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian J Carlson wrote:
Does anyone make decals for the orange and black "DF" rectangle applied to the SP boxcars starting in the mid 1950's. Alternatively, Does anyone know where I can locate a p2k kit for the 50' B-50-22 81574 it was lettered in this scheme? See the bottom photo on page 271 of SP Freight Cars V 4 for a photo.
Brian, Walthers used to make that decal, but I have heard it's no longer available. I didn't know that P2K had ever done the DF scheme with correct orange lettering (their SP "expert" told them it should be yellow in the first run), but if they did, that would be a good find.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Any HO Richfield Tank Cars available?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:46 PM, espeeac12 wrote:

Where can I find data on this fleet of tank cars?

Obviously you guys are the best pool of knowledge out there for me to
tap and point me inthe right direction.
Miles,
I will offer what limited information I have on this subject. In the
4/55 ORER (the closest I have to 1954) Richfield Oil had 208 tank cars,
all listed as ARA II, ARA III, or ARA IV. With the ARA spec, rather
than ICC classes (i.e., 103 that replaced ARA III), this indicates the
cars were built pre-1930, and from 1930 and later new tank cars were
just stenciled with the ICC classification. For about 3 years from
1927-1929 new tank cars were often stenciled with both the ARA and ICC
classifications. The ORER list of cars provides the car number ranges
for each group of cars having a specified ARA classification and gallon
capacity.

I checked cars built new by AC&F from 7/25 and later. There were no new
tank cars with ROX reporting marks built by AC&F from 7/25 through the
mid-1950s. If Richfield had any AC&F Type 27 cars they got them second
hand.

In my personal photo collection I have a photo of ROX 102, a
10,000-gallon insulated car taken in Los Angeles on 2/4/57 available
from Bob's Photo. The last reweigh stencil is 2-49. I cannot read the
build date with any degree of certainty (possibly 1926) but can read
that the car was from GATC. It had heater pipes and was used for
asphalt. The car is much like the insulated 10K tank cars offered by
Life-Like except on a General American underframe. Bob's Photo also has
ROX 660, built 11-24. I don't have this photo but know of its
existence.

I am willing to scan the list from the 4/55 ORER. Contact me off-list
at hawk0621@sbcglobal.net if you are interested.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: N&W 90/100-ton Gondola Class GK and GS FC Diag Shts

jfbrewer@...
 

Al,

Check out the archives materials of the NWHS here:

http://nwhs.org/archivesdb/rollingstock.php?RRSelect=N%26W+Rwy&CatSelect=Freight&TypeSelect=Gondola

Scroll down to whatever class you want to view to see what is available. Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

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From: "al.kresse" <water.kresse@comcast.net>
Folks,

I'm looking for the post-USRA original, as-built N&W Freight CAr
Diagram sheets for the N&W's 90-ton GKs and 100-ton GS 6-wheel gondola
cars . . . . again, prefer as built, or even take as modified.

Thanks for any leads, or access to these diag shts,

Al Kresse
Romeo, MIchigan
getting snow


Re: Anybody have any info about Richfield's Tank Car fleet?

Bruce Smith
 

Tony asked
Want to tell us where you started? Have you looked at Equipment
Registers, photos in books, Wikipedia, etc.? Or starting from zero?
On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:56 AM, espeeac12 wrote:
For the sake of argument, let's start at Zero. I don't want you to make
any assumptions as to what I did and didn't research so perhaps I can
get a fuller perspective on the topic of the Richfield Tank car fleet.
Miles,

You might want to rephrase that <G>. It would personally annoy me to go look something up only to find out that you already had that information so I'm unlikely to do anything until I know where you are at. It may well be that you've found nothing, but hey, tell us where you looked already anyway, it helps narrow the search! And if you do have some resources, let us know what they are!

How can I access ORER's? (Is there an online database, or would my
local library have them on hand?)
Not on-line, maybe in the library, or you can buy them on CD from Westerield, as has been mentioned many times on this list (Al has the Jan 1955 ORER which is pretty close to your 1954 era). However, it is likely that the ORER won't help you much other than to know the number of cars in the fleet and some general information about capacity. Probably your best bet is to look for photos and then identify car types from those.

Regards
Bruce

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Steam Freight Cars and a bike.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-19-08/Wheeling.jpg

Just wondered what comments I might get on the cars in the background.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


N&W 90/100-ton Gondola Class GK and GS FC Diag Shts

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Folks,

I'm looking for the post-USRA original, as-built N&W Freight CAr
Diagram sheets for the N&W's 90-ton GKs and 100-ton GS 6-wheel gondola
cars . . . . again, prefer as built, or even take as modified.

Thanks for any leads, or access to these diag shts,

Al Kresse
Romeo, MIchigan
getting snow


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Larry Kline
 

The O scale B&O M-53 Wagon Top is available from Rails Unlimited
http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Models/40boxcars.html

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> wrote:

John,
Is the B&O boxcar available now? I do not find any mention of it
on the SCMW web pages.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mateyko" <rattler21@...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic
model in ourfuture?

St. Charles Model Works has one in O scale.


LOOKING FOR

joel norman <mec-bml@...>
 

WOULD CHARLIE DUCKWORTH PLEASE E MAIL ME,ID LIKE MORE DETAIL ON HIS
GREAT LAYOUT.....
THANKS AND YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT BLESSED HOLIDAY SEASON AND A EVEN
BETTER 2009..
JOEL NORMAN


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Charles Morrill
 

John,
Is the B&O boxcar available now? I do not find any mention of it on the SCMW web pages.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mateyko" <rattler21@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?


St. Charles Model Works has one in O scale.




Well another year almost by us and I still would like a B&O M-53
Wagon
Top on the layout. For a steam - early diesl layout they are a must
have in a rail yard. I got my wish last year with the ART steel
reefer
being issued so perhaps there's hope.

Anybody heard any rumors of a scale B&O car being done in plastic?

Charlie
Modeling 'the Mop'
http://mopac51.tripod.com/index.html


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Re: B&O wagon top in O-scale

George R. Stilwell, Jr. <GRSJr@...>
 

Couldn't find it on the St Charles web site. Please direct me to the information for ordering one.

Ray


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ben,

I agree that Sunshine or F&C's resin kits would give a superior model. I have one of the Sunshine cars (unbuilt, of course :-D ). But the original question concerned a plastic kit, and that's what Cannonball's is.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Garth Groff wrote:
"How about http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/ . Click on 'signature series'
at left. May not be Intermountain quality, but maybe it will do for a
stand-in until something else comes along."

Gotta agree with Brian and Jim - $29.95 for what is essentially the old Cannonball Car Shops/Red Ball kit is questionable, especially when you can spend the same amount of money for a much nicer resin kit from Sunshine or Funaro.


Ben Hom


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Anybody have any info about Richfield's Tank Car fleet?

Miles C
 

For the sake of argument, let's start at Zero. I don't want you to make
any assumptions as to what I did and didn't research so perhaps I can
get a fuller perspective on the topic of the Richfield Tank car fleet.

How can I access ORER's? (Is there an online database, or would my
local library have them on hand?)

I live in the SF bay area, are there any good places I could visit to
research this topic?

Let's focus on available HO models OR tank car parts that could
feasibly be kitbashed to closely resemble Richfield tanks. I'll also be
willing to try resin kits and such.

-Miles


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

espeeac12 (not signing his name) wrote:
Anybody have any info about Richfield's Tank Car fleet?
I know about the Travel Town tank car, but is there any more info
out
there?
Want to tell us where you started? Have you looked at Equipment
Registers, photos in books, Wikipedia, etc.? Or starting from zero?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Rubber brake air hoses: a disappointment.

rustonman1 <rfederle@...>
 

I humbly retrack that post. My apologies to the group. In answer, no.
It would have been the 60's and 70's. I failed to remember what group
I was posting to.

Robert Federle

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Robert Federle wrote:
Prototype appearances. I have sen prototype air hose knuckles
drag
over grade crossing timbers and railheads.
Was this observation in the era of this list, with 22-inch
hoses,
or more recently with 27-inch hoses?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Rubber brake air hoses: a disappointment.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Robert Federle wrote:
Prototype appearances. I have sen prototype air hose knuckles drag over grade crossing timbers and railheads.
Was this observation in the era of this list, with 22-inch hoses, or more recently with 27-inch hoses?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


SP DF B-50-22

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Does anyone make decals for the orange and black "DF" rectangle applied to
the SP boxcars starting in the mid 1950's. Alternatively, Does anyone know
where I can locate a p2k kit for the 50' B-50-22 81574 it was lettered in
this scheme? See the bottom photo on page 271 of SP Freight Cars V 4 for a
photo.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Any HO Richfield Tank Cars available?

Miles C
 

I've been trying to build a fleet of Richfield tank cars for my 1954
era layout and have come up without success. Bob Smaus' articles
suggest that they used whatever they could buy.

What kits would be close or accurate for any richfield oil tank cars?
(HO scale)

Is there a set of decals I can buy to letter them with?

Are there any RTR versions? I think Red Caboose might have produced a
few..but who has one they'd be willing to part with?

Where can I find data on this fleet of tank cars?

Obviously you guys are the best pool of knowledge out there for me to
tap and point me inthe right direction.

-Miles


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

Bill Darnaby
 

Buyer beware with the old Cannonball kit. They are notorious for being too wide. Go with resin.

Bill Darnaby


Gotta agree with Brian and Jim - $29.95 for what is essentially the old
Cannonball Car Shops/Red Ball kit is questionable, especially when you
can spend the same amount of money for a much nicer resin kit from
Sunshine or Funaro.


Ben Hom


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