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Re: First offset-sides steel coal car

aslt28 <karig@...>
 

I'm afraid that Al is correct, VGN 50000 was indeed an offset side
car. It was built in 1917 as one of four prototypes for the railroad.
Al and I have been comparing notes, and we have as yet been unable to
determine the source of this design, though as Al mentions, it is
similar to some later Enterprise patents.

Any thoughts?

Bob Karig


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The VGN 50000 was not an offset side car. It was an outside rib
battleship
gon.

According to Martin Karig in "Coal Cars the First Three Hundred
Years" The
first offset cars were built for the C&O in 1921 (pg 261) #100000 -
100999.
The first patent for the design was issued to John A. Pilcher (#
1,433,096)
on Oct 24, 1922. The next patent was issued to Enterprise
(#1,537,051) May
1925. Wine received a patent for a different offset design in 1929
(#1,698,866). A fourth patent was issued to William F. Kiesel, Jr.
Mechanical Engineer
for the PRR in 1931 (#1,834,952) and was used in the PRR class H27.
(See pg
74 of Karig) See also Karig pg 298-329 for photos. The Wine
design was
licensed to the ARA and was adopted as the 1928 standard practice
design.

Rich Or


SOUTHERN PACIFIC SPEEDWITCH KIT

Paul Lyons
 

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Re: B&M XM-1 Boxcar Decals for HO, circa 1942?

Thorsten Petschallies <Thorsten.Petschallies@...>
 

You are right the Minuteman scheme wasn't introduced until 1946.
The rectangular herald would be right for 1942.
IIRC F+C includes this in there decal set for their XM-1.
Another option might be the Westerfield decal set for their USRA DS Boxcar, which includes all styles from early heralds to Minuteman.

Thorsten Petschallies

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] B&M XM-1 Boxcar Decals for HO, circa 1942?


I am looking for some decals to do an Overland Models Boston and Maine
XM-1 boxcar. Any suggestions on decals for this car? I model 1942.
I saw that F&C does a minute man decal for the car but I think I read
somewhere the minuteman scheme wasn't introduced until 1946.

Jason Sanford


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Re: Duryea underframe usage

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresse wrote:
C&O cabooses also had Duryea underframes for a while. To "cushion" you need to generate heat or wasted energy to reduce/absorb longitudinal shock loadings. The Duryea spring system did get some sliding friction to absorb some of the energy . . . but not like a shock absorber.
You are right about the Duryea underframe--its main feature was the spring action, which does help with slack action, but really does NOT cushion the load very much. As you say, to reduce shock loading, energy has to be absorbed, for example in a stack of interleaved friction plates. Of course springs absorb energy when exercised, but they STORE it almost completely, and eventually will release it when loads are reduced. That can even out slack action, but does NOT reduce peak loads due to shock or impact. That's why later cushion underframes entirely superseded the Duryea-type designs.
At least that's how I understand it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Detroit Chemical Works

destron@...
 

Does anyone know of photos of tank cars of the Detroit Chemical Works (DCWX)?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society�s Website

water.kresse@...
 

I would also think that it would help avoiding frozen coal deliveries up north during the wintertime.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: John Stokes <ggstokes@msn.com>

Apparently the box was converted, or originally built, to carry coal in bulk,
with top loading hatches and side unloading doors. Very interesting arrangement.
Would make an interesting model, something to do with those surplus wooden box
cars.

John Stokes
bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: riverob@gmail.comDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:55:23
+0000Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical
Societys Website




It looks like the WCC car has roof hatches.Rob Simpson--- In
STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chaparro" wrote:>
Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin > Coal Co.) to
the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy & > Peoria Railway at Iron
Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900> >
http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529






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Re: Duryea underframe usage

water.kresse@...
 

C&O cabooses also had Duryea underframes for a while. To "cushion" you need to generate heat or wasted energy to reduce/absorb longitudinal shock loadings. The Duryea spring system did get some sliding friction to absorb some of the energy . . . but not like a shock absorber.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@yahoo.com>
I've been under the impression that the Duryea underframe was an early
form of what became known as a "cushion" underframe in the 60's. So I
can certainly understand its application to boxcars. And I suppose
some flatcar and gondola loads would benefit from a cushion underframe.

But I see that Duryea underframes were even applied to hoppers. Why?

Walt Lankenau


Re: Looking for RDG XMu article info

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Brian,

The Bee Line, the official publication of the Reading Co. Tech. and Hist. Society, had two articles on these cars.

Vol. 19 #3 of 1997, had a six page article on the XMt box cars, built 1925.

Vol. 20 #3 of 1998, had a ten page article on the XMu box cars, built 1930.

I don't recall Mainline Modeler ever doing anything about these cars.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for RDG XMu article info


Good Day All,

I have been told that Mainline Modeler did a feature article on the
RDG XMu boxcar. I've tried searching the online indexes but couldn't
find anything. Anyone know of this article? I am specifically
interested to know if the car represented in the plans is from the
first (1925?) or second batch (1930?).

Thanks

Brian


Re: Looking for RDG XMu article info

Larry Kline
 

I can't find a Mainline Modeler article either but the following articles may be useful. The rosters in these articles list the 1925 cars as class XMt. The Bee Line is the publication of the Reading Technical & Historical Society. Both issues below are listed as available on their web site.
http://www.readingrailroad.org/reference/ref_beeline.html

Modeling four older Reading boxcars, John Gruber, RMC, 11-92, pp 85-88

USRA derivative boxcars, Eric Neubauer, RMC, 1-95, pp 73-76

Readings XMu boxcars, John Hall, The Bee Line, V 19 No 3 1997, pp 19-24
Readings XMu boxcars, John Hall, The Bee Line, V 20 No 3 1998, pp 10-19

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Brian asked:
I have been told that Mainline Modeler did a feature article on the RDG XMu boxcar. I've tried searching the online indexes but couldn't find anything. Anyone know of this article? I am specifically interested to know if the car represented in the plans is from the first (1925?) or second batch (1930?).


Re: B&M XM-1 Boxcar Decals for HO, circa 1942?

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Jason, I used Champ 'road name' and data sets on mine.
Clark Propst


Re: Alton boxcar

Ray Breyer
 

bill davis <billcheri72@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>While in Chicago area I went to the Illinois RR Museum. There was a
>>outside braced door and a half boxcar that I was told was an Alton car
>>later a C&IM car. Does anyone have information on this car and are
>>there any plans for it. Thanks for any help here.


Hi Bill,

C&A 39000-39249, Pullman 1924. To GM&O 39000-39249 in 1947. 2 cars on roster in 7/1950, off roster by 1/1951.

I've got one photo of the car at IRM, plus the Alton's 1924 diagram page for the car, which is about as close as you're likely to get to a "plan" for these cars. I'll email them to you offlist.

Regards,

Ray Breyer


Re: Alton boxcar

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Davis asked:
"While in Chicago area I went to the Illinois RR Museum. There was a
outside braced door and a half boxcar that I was told was an Alton car
later a C&IM car. Does anyone have information on this car and are
there any plans for it."

First, "outside braced" is a modelers term that really means nothing.
These cars are more properly referred to as single sheathed boxcars.

Here's the listing from the IRM website:
http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?
freight=Chicago+&+Illinois+Midland=X-81

Do you have photo that you can upload?


Ben Hom


Alton boxcar

bill davis <billcheri72@...>
 

Hi All,
While in Chicago area I went to the Illinois RR Museum. There was a outside braced door and a half boxcar that I was told was an Alton car later a C&IM car. Does anyone have information on this car and are there any plans for it. Thanks for any help here.
BILL


Looking for RDG XMu article info

llamsus <Llams@...>
 

Good Day All,

I have been told that Mainline Modeler did a feature article on the
RDG XMu boxcar. I've tried searching the online indexes but couldn't
find anything. Anyone know of this article? I am specifically
interested to know if the car represented in the plans is from the
first (1925?) or second batch (1930?).

Thanks

Brian


B&M XM-1 Boxcar Decals for HO, circa 1942?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am looking for some decals to do an Overland Models Boston and Maine
XM-1 boxcar. Any suggestions on decals for this car? I model 1942.
I saw that F&C does a minute man decal for the car but I think I read
somewhere the minuteman scheme wasn't introduced until 1946.

Jason Sanford


Duryea underframe usage

mcindoefalls
 

I've been under the impression that the Duryea underframe was an early
form of what became known as a "cushion" underframe in the 60's. So I
can certainly understand its application to boxcars. And I suppose
some flatcar and gondola loads would benefit from a cushion underframe.

But I see that Duryea underframes were even applied to hoppers. Why?

Walt Lankenau


Re: Duryea UF, was Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Lawrence Rast
 

Any chance you'll be sharing those pics? I sure would love to see them.

Best,
Lawrence Rast

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:41 PM, william darnaby
<WDarnaby@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Be wary of any instructions in the Sunshine kit as it seems they rarely get
it correct concerning Duryea UF's. Their B&O M55 version is completely
wrong for example. A couple of weekends ago I photographed the Duryea UF of
an ex-B&O M26d or e in a park north of Milan, OH and, while many of the
details found in Sunshine kits are there, the parts application and
orientation are different from any Sunshine instructions I have seen.

Bill Darnaby

In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:44:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jimandlisa97225@verizon.net writes:

Sunshine sells "4 General American Duryea underframe parts/details for
modification of plastic & resin 40' boxcar kits" which might be useful.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the
best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr
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Duryea UF, was Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Bill Darnaby
 

Be wary of any instructions in the Sunshine kit as it seems they rarely get it correct concerning Duryea UF's. Their B&O M55 version is completely wrong for example. A couple of weekends ago I photographed the Duryea UF of an ex-B&O M26d or e in a park north of Milan, OH and, while many of the details found in Sunshine kits are there, the parts application and orientation are different from any Sunshine instructions I have seen.

Bill Darnaby

In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:44:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jimandlisa97225@verizon.net writes:

Sunshine sells "4 General American Duryea underframe parts/details for
modification of plastic & resin 40' boxcar kits" which might be useful.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----


Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the
best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr

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Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society’s Website

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi list members,

Thanks Bob.

Some more nice images from this site. The url's are long and will need to be re-combined into one line after the email program gets thru with them. I'm including the image id (I assume one can use this to bring up the image) in case the urls are totally unusable.

- Claus Schlund

Image ID: 21670
Cincinnati Northern Auto box
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=21670&qstring=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewisconsinhistory%2Eorg%2Fwhi%2Fresults%2Easp%3Fpageno%3D35%26keyword1%3Drailroad%26search%5Ftype%3Dbasic%26sort%5Fby%3Ddate

Image ID: 17807
C&NW flat
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=17807&qstring=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewisconsinhistory%2Eorg%2Fwhi%2Fresults%2Easp%3Fpageno%3D38%26keyword1%3Drailroad%26search%5Ftype%3Dbasic%26sort%5Fby%3Ddate

Image ID: 48988
BREX reefer
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=48988&qstring=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewisconsinhistory%2Eorg%2Fwhi%2Fresults%2Easp%3Fpageno%3D40%26keyword1%3Drailroad%26search%5Ftype%3Dbasic%26sort%5Fby%3Ddate

URTX reefer
Image ID: 9479
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=9479&qstring=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewisconsinhistory%2Eorg%2Fwhi%2Fresults%2Easp%3Fpageno%3D41%26keyword1%3Drailroad%26search%5Ftype%3Dbasic%26sort%5Fby%3Ddate

CGW box car
Image ID: 46459
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=46459&qstring=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewisconsinhistory%2Eorg%2Fwhi%2Fresults%2Easp%3Fpageno%3D41%26keyword1%3Drailroad%26search%5Ftype%3Dbasic%26sort%5Fby%3Ddate

CB&Q box car
Image ID: 59415
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullRecord.asp?id=59415&qstring=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewisconsinhistory%2Eorg%2Fwhi%2Fresults%2Easp%3Fpageno%3D49%26keyword1%3Drailroad%26search%5Ftype%3Dbasic%26sort%5Fby%3Ddate
Image ID: 59415

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro [mailto:thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 03:45 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society’s Website

The Wisconsin Historical Society's website
(http://wisconsinhistory.org/) has several railroad subject images.
Below are links to some of these images. Enjoy.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
===================
A 1912 image of a Frisco Box car. It appears that the upper door
guide has seen a lot of service.

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=9724

New York Central box car image taken in 1917:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=35439

Unloading fiber at an International Harvester twine mill, c 1948.
Freight car appears to be a Santa Fe box car with map logo.

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=59424

Same activity and location, different box car.:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=59422

Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin
Coal Co.) to the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy &
Peoria Railway at Iron Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900

http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529

1911 image of rail cars carrying two 150 horse-power boilers for use
in the temporary power plant at the dam construction site at Prairie
du Sac. The cars also carry sections of smoke stack.

http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=49515





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Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society’s Website

Stokes John
 

Apparently the box was converted, or originally built, to carry coal in bulk, with top loading hatches and side unloading doors. Very interesting arrangement. Would make an interesting model, something to do with those surplus wooden box cars.

John Stokes
bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: riverob@gmail.comDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:55:23 +0000Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Societys Website




It looks like the WCC car has roof hatches.Rob Simpson--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:<sni>> Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin > Coal Co.) to the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy & > Peoria Railway at Iron Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900> > http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529<snip>

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