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Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Bill Welch
 

Excerpt from CFR-2011 Title 49 Vol. 4 Part 231 FRA Rules that go back to 1911. 
 
(d) Sill steps—(1) Number. Four.
(2) Dimensions. Minimum cross-sectional area 1⁄2 by 11⁄2 inches, or equivalent, of wrought iron or steel. Minimum length of tread, 10, preferably 12,inches. Minimum clear depth, 8 inches.
(3) Location. (i) One near each end of
each side of car, so that there shall be
not more than 18 inches from end of car
to center of tread of sill step.
(ii) Outside edge of tread of step shall
be not more than 4 inches inside of face
of side of car, preferably flush with side
of car.
(iii) Tread shall be not more than 24,
preferably not more than 22, inches
above the top of rail.
Ken Adam

Thank you for posting this Ken!

Bill Welch


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Ken Adams
 

See my response on Resin Freight Car builders.  Also thanks for identifying Accurail as source of the unidentified two rung steps I found in my parts box. 

And I will add my FRA spec for sill steps here as well:

Excerpt from CFR-2011 Title 49 Vol. 4 Part 231 FRA Rules that go back to 1911. 
 
(d) Sill steps—(1) Number. Four.
(2) Dimensions. Minimum cross-sectional area 1⁄2 by 11⁄2 inches, or equivalent, of wrought iron or steel. Minimum length of tread, 10, preferably 12,inches. Minimum clear depth, 8 inches.
(3) Location. (i) One near each end of
each side of car, so that there shall be
not more than 18 inches from end of car
to center of tread of sill step.
(ii) Outside edge of tread of step shall
be not more than 4 inches inside of face
of side of car, preferably flush with side
of car.
(iii) Tread shall be not more than 24,
preferably not more than 22, inches
above the top of rail.

--
Ken Adams


Re: Prototype Junction Crowd Funding - Only one week to go

Randy Hammill
 

John answered most of your questions, but regarding build dates:

I have posted info here, and there are pages on our site for each prototype group, as well as on the IndieGoGo site. But there’s a lot of info so I’ll summarize here:

All of the cars in the project were originally built 1929-1931, depending on the specific car.

PM began rebuilding some of the auto cars starting 1940.

ATSF started rebuilding the Bx-11 and -12 classes with an 8” raised roof in 1941.

ATSF switched to a 12” roof extension in 1943.

ATSF began rebuilding the Bx-13 class with steel sides in 1951, and the other classes would follow in the late ‘50s, early ‘60s.

Some of the ATSF cara remained in their original configuration into the ‘60s, so starting in 1950 the original, 8”, 12”, and steel side rebuilds were all on the rails. In addition, the PM didn’t rebuild all of the auto cars, nor did the C&O repeater all of the ex-PM cars (after they acquired PM in 1947). So the PM and C&O cars were also seen in both configurations during the ‘50s.

Some of the 12” raised roof cars lasted into the ‘70s, as did some of the steel side rebuilds

we will be doing the major paint schemes for all of these cars, so if you’re modeling the ‘50s, you have a lot of choices:

ATSF Bx-11, 12, 13 as delivered (although any in interchange would have received AB brakes)

ATSF Bx-11, -12 with 8” roof extension

ATSF Bx-11, -12 with 12” roof extension

ATSF Bx-13 rebuilt with steel sides

RI SS Box car

CGW SS Auto car

L&N SS Auto car

PM SS Auto car

C&O SS Auto car

PM SS Box car

C&O SS Box car

That’s 15 unique prototype running in the ‘50s

Don’t forget that parts (roofs, ends, doors, trucks, etc) will also be available.

You will choose your specific cars shortly before we go to production. But there are more prototypes in the ‘40s, the most in the ‘50s, and then in decline through the ‘60s, with the auto cars in decline first. I’ve included more roster information at https://prototypejunction.com, just click on the tab near the top for each prototype for more info.

Randy


Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 06:33 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Accurail has these with their 36-foot boxcar kits. They are not front mounted parts but are very well done. 
Thanks Eric. I don't know why we don't have a picture on our parts page http://accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm But they are #183, three sets for three bucks, or #184, thirty sets for twenty bucks. listed at the top right hand corner of the page. Here is a picture of them applied to an undec car  http://accurail.com/accurail/ART/1700/1700.jpg

The mounting is a clip-in hook, but you can either cut the hook off and glue the pegs in holes, or drill large enough holes that the hooks fit the holes and "pot" them with CA. These are acetal moldings, so glue doesn't stick well, but the potting method will keep them there forever. The mounting hooks are set back behind the vertical stiles, so you can drill the holes in the bottom of the sills positioned so the face of the stiles is even with the extension straps you model on the surface of the car side.

Dennis Storzek

 


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Eric Hansmann
 

Accurail has these with their 36-foot boxcar kits. They are not front mounted parts but are very well done. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 6, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Sorry for the double posting, but I am looking for a plastic or brass casting of a two rung sill step of the type that looks like this
 
 
Is anyone aware of such a casting?
 
Thanks in advance,
Steve Hile


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes that is the double step

On 3/6/2020 8:49 PM, Scott wrote:
Steve,

Pretty sure these are what you are looking for. Unfortunately they dont have a photo but if memory serves me right this was the one I saw there.  Maybe they can email you a photo of them.

http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/product/44357/NYC-MDT-Style-Double-Step/

Scott McDonald
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

mel perry
 

steve:
email your copy to them, that way they
can compare, eith their stock
mel perry

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:49 PM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
Steve,

Pretty sure these are what you are looking for.  Unfortunately they dont have a photo but if memory serves me right this was the one I saw there.  Maybe they can email you a photo of them.

http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/product/44357/NYC-MDT-Style-Double-Step/

Scott McDonald 


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Scott
 

Steve,

Pretty sure these are what you are looking for.  Unfortunately they dont have a photo but if memory serves me right this was the one I saw there.  Maybe they can email you a photo of them.

http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/product/44357/NYC-MDT-Style-Double-Step/

Scott McDonald 


Re: Two Rung Sill Step

radiodial868
 

Des Plaines Hobbies.  Hard part is they make so many versions, but no images.  Will see if I can find which ones I get for that same step.
http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/search.asp

search "stirrup". Yeah, yeah I know, blah blah blah "sill step".
RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA


Two Rung Sill Step

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Sorry for the double posting, but I am looking for a plastic or brass casting of a two rung sill step of the type that looks like this
 
 
Is anyone aware of such a casting?
 
Thanks in advance,
Steve Hile


Re: Prototype Junction Crowd Funding - Only one week to go

John Drake
 

Jim, these are excellent questions.  While Randy and I thought we have addressed these in either the Indiegogo campaign write up or in a post on our website, sometime we are not as clear as we intend to be, so thanks for bringing these up.

The intent of the crowdfunding raise is to obtain enough capital that we can make all the variation of the boxcars and autocars as we have described, all at the same time.  If we raise the our campaign goal, all of the models will be made. Period. The amount is pledged determines how many cars you get, depending on what perk you picked (e.g., 1 car at a 5% discount, 6 cars at a 20% discount, etc.).  At the time you pledge, you are solely indicating how much product you want initially.  It doesn't matter which car, which paint scheme, which number, ready-to-run, kit or just parts.  If we make our campaign goal, then we have enough capital to pay for the project and cover all of its costs, fixed and variable.  Check out Randy's most recent post at www.prototypejunction.com for a great overview of our analysis of the estimated costs of the project and setting the campaign goal level.

Now to get to your question, once this project is funded and begins production, the models in many ways are made to order.  We would be soliciting input from the campaign supporters for desired paint schemes (there weren't that many variations, but some), lettering features and numbers.   As we are get close to the final production phase, that is when the supporters make their final selections.  That is the time you choose which cars, which paint and lettering schemes and which numbers.  This may be 9-11 months after the funding campaign closes.

Keep in mind, as production steps are completed, we would provide copies of the CAD drawings, photos of pre-production models, etc.  Of course, during this time, the supporters can add to their pledge and new people can also place orders, though not at the discounts offered during the funding campaign. 

With regard to a pricing difference between kit and ready to run, we decided, at least for the time being to keep the prices the same.  That's not to say that could change depending on the end result of the project.  But again, if we did ultimately decide to differentiate the kit & RTR prices, we would do so prior to requesting final product selections, so one can put their pledged funds toward any of the products they want. 

I hope this helps Jim!  Thanks again for asking these questions.

John Drake
Prototype Junction


Re: Prototype Junction Crowd Funding - Only one week to go

Bill Welch
 

Unassembled kits are planned for the 1% of the Model RR'ers that want to build a freight car kit.

Bill Welch


Re: Westerfields

Tim O'Connor
 

Al and Patricia moved to their retirement home in ARIZONA.

On 3/5/2020 1:31 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Last I knew, Al was in CROSSVILLE, Tenn, which is a bit farther east and south.

Dennis Storzek
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


New Resin Car Works kit

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works has released a new kit for a Milwaukee Road gondola. Additional details are posted on the RCW blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/milwaukee-composite-gondola-kit/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: Prototype Junction Crowd Funding - Only one week to go

Jim Betz
 

John,
  In all of the documentation I've encountered so far on this project - I
have not seen anything that provides the date built/painted.  How do I
decide whether or not I can use (want) one or more of these cars?
Have you provided that before and I just don't remember it?  
  Have you considered what the costs are for doing an unassembled
cars?  Perhaps that reduces the cost per car enough to get the
project made?
  I know quite a bit more than most about the process of building
plastic molds because I know a guy who was a mold designer for
projects such as the Oakley sunglasses.  That part of the industry
is targeted to very high volumes compared to what is needed for
much lower volumes such as model railroading - and so the few
guys who do it get paid really well for what they do (and justifiably
so).  A lot of them are independent contractors who don't work for
just one company so today they might be doing the design of a
mold for parts for a miter saw and tomorrow for one of our box
cars.
                                                                                     - Jim  


Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 04:38 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I never noticed that slight change in the S. Yet another lettering twist, yikes!
Yeah, and I may have put the date of the change a year or two early. I thought the new S was used on the cars leased in the mid fifties, but I was mistaken. The first use was on a series of 40' combo door cars built by the Soo 5/59, followed by a series of PS-1s built by Pullman-Standard 6/59, and ex L&NE cars leased from U S Railway Equipment Co.later in 1959.

The cars leased in 1955 introduced yet another variation. The 'slant bar S' is not symmetrical, the middle bar is just slightly above center. Some of the leased cars, apparently painted by the leasing company, had the S upside-down, with the middle bar below center.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Prototype Junction Crowd Funding - Only one week to go

John Drake
 

Steve, thanks so much for waiving the flag for us!  Randy and I appreciate it.  And time is running out fast for our crowdfunding campaign for the single-sheathed boxcar and autocar project.  It ends in four days, on March 9. 

Also, I encourage you to check out the latest post on our website, https://www.prototypejunction.com/2020/03/what-does-it-take-to-make-model-why-so.html, in which Randy gives an excellent overview of the process and the estimated costs associated with creating a highly detailed ready to run injection molded model freight car.  I think you will find it interesting.

Thanks all!

John Drake
Prototype Junction 

 


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Though what I noticed was beyond our period, I remember that some WP 50' DD PS-1 (which were delivered within our period) ended their days carrying spent automobile batteries out of West Sacramento on the Sacramento Northern. The cars were marked "Lead Battery Loading Only" or some such wording. The cars were contaminated, much like a cars in hide or fish service, and were probably scrapped soon thereafter. The several cars I saw were 50', which might be odd for such service, but not if the management was trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of cars that were already destined for scrap.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:46 PM Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Elden:

On the B&M, at least "back in the day", the only examples I know of are (i) the 200 MDT-built reefers of 1923 that carried "BANANA SERVICE ONLY" stencils, and (ii) the 1929-30 ARA quad hoppers that said "FOR EXCLUSIVE USE ON HOME ROADS".  I'm not sure if the latter qualifies as the kind of "dedicated service" that you are curious about.  Its origin, I presume, was the age and condition of the B&M's other coal cars, and the need to move a lot of water-borne bituminous from Boston to the many re-coaling facilities scattered around northern New England.

I don't think either stencil persisted for very long, certainly not much after the war.  I think the some of the reefers might have ended up in dedicated ice service, but that's too far into the future for me.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Tim O'Connor
 

I never noticed that slight change in the S. Yet another lettering twist, yikes!





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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

The large square 'boxcar block' lettering dates to the summer of 1951. This original version had the center bar of the S sloping downward at a slight angle, maybe five or seven degrees. This was modified in 1956 or '57 to have the center bar of the S truly horizontal. 

The round Venus Bold lettering dates to 1962, past our era.

Dennis Storzek


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Dave Parker
 

Don, I don't disagree about the ice service.  But, time stopped for me in 1935, so I'm afraid I don't keep very careful track of things that occurred later.  Actually, some days I can't keep track of  what happened leading up to 1934, when it really matters to me!

With regards.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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