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Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Richard Townsend
 

Woodland Scenics has some nice models. Rio Grande Models has a bunch of terrific construction equipment models, but I suspect they are too old for your time period, plus their website has a big CLOSED on the home page.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Nice photo. Good find! 

One of the loads into Burlington on my Gridley Branch could be some type of construction or road grading equipment. Considering the time period of 1952-53 a grader would be a good selection for surfacing all of those gravel county roads in east central Kansas. 

The question to the group is … does someone have recommendations for post-war to mid-‘50s construction equipment models?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
It's my understanding, based on comments by a professional railroader who was a load inspector, that the blades of earth moving equipment normally were blocked, separating the blade from the car deck. Apparently not so in this photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314

Brian Termunde
 

Nice photos Bob! As always, Thanks a lot for sharing.

Regarding that man, it seems like he's keeping the car on track pretty well so far!   ; )

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314
From: Bob Chaparro
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:39:10 PDT
Photo: CB&Q Hopper Car 189314
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
I hope the man of the car knows how to steer it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

In HO scale …

Artitech has an excellent Cat D7 dozer in several variations, and nice little gasoline crawler crane.
GHQ has a fine Cat D8 in a couple versions
Norscott has a Cat-12 road grader
Stewart has a Euclid scraper, rather crude, but workable, and just reissued
Don Mills has a Euclid bottom-dump
Many of the old ROCO Mini-Movers are useable, though the scrapers are oversized for HO
The Woodland Scenics dozer is like a Cat D8 but way undersized … with a little work it makes an acceptable HO D6
Classic Construction Models has/had several HO crawlers and dozers … but they are EXPENSIVE
First Gear has a decent IH TD-25 crawler/dozer. Unfortunately it’s a bit too modern for your specs (1959), and the working metal tracks are a bit crude. Still, not bad overall and similar to the earlier TD-24.

There may be a few others, but most are either out of scale or very crude … some near unrecognizable. There are some nice models of more modern machines, but that’s not what you requested.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...> wrote:

Nice photo. Good find! 

One of the loads into Burlington on my Gridley Branch could be some type of construction or road grading equipment. Considering the time period of 1952-53 a grader would be a good selection for surfacing all of those gravel county roads in east central Kansas. 

The question to the group is … does someone have recommendations for post-war to mid-‘50s construction equipment models?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
It's my understanding, based on comments by a professional railroader who was a load inspector, that the blades of earth moving equipment normally were blocked, separating the blade from the car deck. Apparently not so in this photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

David
 

From what I can tell, the Type 25 had a trapezoidal end sill casting somewhat reminiscent of the old Type 11/17 end sill shape. The Type 26 went without any end sill at all.

David Thompson


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

Tony Thompson
 

Yes, I think so. Frank would know.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

Are those the acid tanks Resin Car Works made?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

Eric Hansmann
 

Not quite. Here are the acid tank cars from the first RCW release. Scroll down for the CCIX tanks.

http://resincarworks.com/kits/1-01_acid_tank_car_kits.htm

 

 

From the CCIX tank car section:

These prototypes were built in 1937 and 1938. Decals included data for the following car numbers.
   CCIX 172, 174 (Built 12-37), 162 - 163 (8-38), 450 - 453 (9-37), 410 - 411 (2-40)

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of al_brown03
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

 

Are those the acid tanks Resin Car Works made?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions

Dave Nelson
 

Tangental point of interest about the facts below:  In the steam ear Southern Pacific had a small yard at Port Costa, a few miles west of Martinez, that was used for the “retail” aspect of railroading, getting cars to and from local industries.  Union Oil was at Oleum, a few miles west of Port Costa, Shell, Tidewater, and Monsanto were a few miles to the east.  For all three of those SP used the same siding located between Avon and Martinez (they were only a mile or two apart, if that).  All of this distance was along the Sacramento River, rip rap on one side, open space hills on the other with just a narrow shelf for the railroad.  This is on the major E/W path for the SP out of Oakland.

 

The fact I find most interesting about this is the yard limits for Port Costa.  The west end was at Oleum; the east end at Suisun/Fairfield, about 20 miles east of Port Costa.  Suisun/Fairfield was where a whole lot of Lumber from the NWP passed thru; It had a small yard and a wye.

 

I have always thought a layout based on the above would be pretty interesting.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CONOCO Proto 2000 8K Gallon Type 21 Riveted Tank Car Questions

 

Oops "switched" in my list of Carquinez south shore refineries to be switched by local power from Port Costa in the early 1950's.

The correct locations for the period are:
Shell at Martinez - predominantly  GATX?
Tidewater/Associated at Avon - predominantly UTLX
Union Oil/Phillips 66 at Rodeo - predominantly  ?
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


My notes say ACF Type 25, but it's close enough I guess. :-)


On 6/29/2020 9:18 PM, David via groups.io wrote:
Not GATC, but an example of the uncommon AC&F Type 26 (the car to the right may be another one).

David Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

al_brown03
 

Are those the acid tanks Resin Car Works made?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

mopacfirst
 

These are interesting photos.  This car has 70-ton trucks, with an 8000 gallon capacity tank, so this must be a heavy acid like sulfuric.

My brief search for this company has hit a dead end, because all I turn up for Consolidated Chemical Industries is a newer chemical marketing company in Houston.  The photo caption mentions Ft. Worth and the CB&Q, which probably means FW&D in the context.  My best guess is that this is a company that was absorbed long ago into a larger chemical manufacturer.  But this would be a useful car to model.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: CB&Q Composite Hopper 194284

Bruce Smith
 

This car seems to have missed it's schedule reweigh by a substantial period of time (stenciled NEW 4-44).

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CB&Q Composite Hopper 194284
 

Photo: CB&Q Composite Hopper 194284

A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/764/rec/405

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: CN on the CV in less than warmer times

Marty McGuirk
 

It’s definitely White River Junction, Vermont. 
It’s the CV’s freight yard alongside the White River north of the station. 
Marty 

On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nice! May be St Johnsbury or perhaps White River Jct.



On 6/30/2020 6:58 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Maybe on the central Vermont with lots of CN stuff.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: B&O Tank Car Explosion

Bill Keene
 

Nothing attached. Or … did the magic not work this time?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

I have just scanned up the two attached photos of a wrecked tank car. The back of one photo says, "Exploded oil tank on B-O RR." There is no date or location. Was this notable enough to have come to the attention of any B&O mavens on this group?

Sorry the photos don't have more detail. 

I can only think this was quite an event for whomever lived in that house by the tracks!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: CN on the CV in less than warmer times

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice! May be St Johnsbury or perhaps White River Jct.



On 6/30/2020 6:58 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Maybe on the central Vermont with lots of CN stuff.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Bill Keene
 

Nice photo. Good find! 

One of the loads into Burlington on my Gridley Branch could be some type of construction or road grading equipment. Considering the time period of 1952-53 a grader would be a good selection for surfacing all of those gravel county roads in east central Kansas. 

The question to the group is … does someone have recommendations for post-war to mid-‘50s construction equipment models?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load
A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
It's my understanding, based on comments by a professional railroader who was a load inspector, that the blades of earth moving equipment normally were blocked, separating the blade from the car deck. Apparently not so in this photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: D&LW boxcar clinic?

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for posting this, Bill. I wasn’t aware of the new group. I just joined pending moderator approval.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&LW boxcar clinic?

 

I am not Brian but his Clinic Notes are on the IO group for the recent 20/20 Hindsight online RPM event: https://groups.io/g/Hindsight2020

I am unsure if people that did not register for this event can access this group.

Bill Welch


Re: Photo: Repainted CB&Q Boxcar 11988

Kenneth Montero
 

Bob,

Please also note that only the right side is a moveable door, with door guide and door stops to the right side of the door - and none on the left side (which would be there if the left side was a moveable door).

Ken Montero

On 07/01/2020 2:09 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


Tony’s right, when larger steel automobile cars became available, many  CB&Q door and one half single sheathed boxcars had the small door welded shut by placing a steel plate between the door and the Z-bar to the left of the door. You can clearly see that plate in the photo. The disabled door was stenciled Single Door Car to give crews a heads up that the small door wasn’t operational.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2020 12:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Repainted CB&Q Boxcar 11988


Bob Chaparro wrote:



Photo: Repainted CB&Q Boxcar 11988

A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

The car was built in 1925.

Note the stencil "Single Door Car" on the door. The door appears to separate in the middle with each half sliding toward an end of the car.

Anyone know the name for this type of door?


    Um, it's a double door, Bob. They have just disable one half, so only one door functions.


Tony Thompson

 





Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

 

Have an aerial view of the ramp at Santa Fe's Vernon (CA) Team. The ramp is in the lower left with heavy equipment on two flat cars above it.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: D&LW boxcar clinic?

Bill Welch
 

I am not Brian but his Clinic Notes are on the IO group for the recent 20/20 Hindsight online RPM event: https://groups.io/g/Hindsight2020

I am unsure if people that did not register for this event can access this group.

Bill Welch


Need Photo ID Help from Southern RY Fans

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

I have a non-freight car photos I'm trying to ID that I think was taken on the Southern. If there are any Southern fans on this group who might care to assist, please meet me on private email at mallardlodge1000_AT_gmail.com. Please do not respond directly to this message, as I'm sure the Sheriff wouldn't be pleased.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

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