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Re: Covered Hoppers

Michael Gross
 

Dear Rob,

You reference the Resin Car Works covered hopper roof hardware, but I can't find such an item.  Are you confusing it with the Yarmouth model works kit  #YMW-103?

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Covered Hoppers

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Thanks for the kind words to those that replied.  I have added a couple more photos just for fun.

Rob,

The car SHPX 25581 says "LEASED TO CB&Q" and is shown in RP Cyc 27 as having the standard ACF type 1 roof.  I added a photo of CB&Q 180863 showing a model built to Q practice with the type 3 roof supplied by Yarmouth Model Works kit 103 and decals by Jerry Hamsmith.  By 1954 non of these cars appeared to have any return to lettering although that may have been added soon after.  I have BB#20 and find it invaluable in addition to RP Cyc 30 for the Q cars.  The great controversy with the Q cars is the paint job and I have only seen the one color picture in RP Cyc 30 showing what appears to be the factory black roof and underbody as stated in the text.

Eric Mumper


Re: A 1933 view of some boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

A 1933 view of some boxcars including what is probably a PRR class X29...
 

    Note that the photo shows revenue agents confiscating contraband liquor -- the date less than a year before Prohibition would be repealed.

Tony Thompson




A 1933 view of some boxcars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

A 1933 view of some boxcars including what is probably a PRR class X29...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


a few more images...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Here are a few more images...
 
 
 
 
Boxcars in 1951 in yard at Standard Brands building (Lipton Tea), 15th & Washington Sts., Hoboken. What a great switching layout this would make! You would only need to build one very large building, most of whicl could be done as a building flat
https://hoboken.pastperfectonline.com/photo/00CE9402-B5F5-40F2-8F6E-626099590454
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


DL&W 1947 Annual Report with steel boxcar on cover

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

DL&W 1947 Annual Report with steel boxcar on cover
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Article & Photos: Carnegie Freight Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Article & Photos: Carnegie Freight Cars

An article and photos from the June 13, 1896 The Railway Age & Northwestern Railroader:

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=sCdLAQAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA313

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=sCdLAQAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA314

Some general dimensions are given.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


early DL&W TOFC service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Some who have an interest in DL&W might enjoy this 1957 publication - it shows early DL&W TOFC service.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: Unloading Sugar Beets, Oxnard, CA

Bob Chaparro
 

Here is a link to the model:

http://www.owlmtmodels.com/2000-series/beetrack.html

This looks like Owl Mountain's usual fine work.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Covered Hoppers

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Eric,
The Shippers car was owned by the CB&Q. Which in my mind would mean you could add the Q to your list of Ottawa destined cars. Those cars had the same latching system as the Santa Fe and would require the new roof detail pack available from RCW. The Burlington Route Historical Society had some decal sets with the "Ottawa return" lettering and "Wedron". Burlington Bulletin #20 covers all the covered hoppers of the CB&Q and would be a useful addition to your resources. It is currently OOP. Please let me know if you need some info from the pages.

Sincerely,
Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, June 29, 2020, 06:36:37 AM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Well done Eric great looking cars
Fenton 


On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...> wrote:


Very nice Eric. Lloyd Keyser

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:23 PM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:
Beautiful cars Eric!

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 5:29:00 PM CDT, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:


Group,

Over time I have asked a fair number of questions about covered hoppers in the steam era.  The Google photos link shows the results of some work to make the Intermountain 1958 cuft covered hopper more accurate based on the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia articles and my October 1954 modeling period.  See:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QhJHHepKTC8mmBMU7

These are factory painted cars with simple mods to make them more representative of the prototype.  They all needed new brakewheels and trucks.

DT&I 11841:  These came from Intermountain with their version of the type 2 roof.  I removed the toe holds and changed the brake wheel to a Kadee Equipco plus adding Tahoe #8 trucks.  The reweigh was already correct and some chalk marks were added.

PM 20096:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel, Tahoe #13 ASF A-3 trucks, and a Plano US Gypsum running board.  Chalk markings and new reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

NKP 99750:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks (not 70T, but the spring package looks right to me.)  Chalk markings and new reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

SHPX 25581:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks.  The grab irons were painted black.  I swagged at the reweigh/repack being by the Q at KC since it was in their lease and used FCR as the color to paint out the old.  There is no definitive answer to this point about when they were returned to SHPX from Q lease.

SHPX 25402:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks.  The grab irons were painted black.  This car started life as SHPX 25592 leased to the Q like SHPX 25581.  The 59 and the lease information was scraped off and it was renumbered 25402 and the lettering "LEASED TO HALLIBURTON OIL WELL CEMENTING CO." added to the sides.

RI 332:  A Detail Associates Ureco brake wheel was added (not shown - will retake pic later) and Tahoe #13 trucks substituted.  I scraped off the original return to lettering and changed it to "WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO OTTAWA, ILL."  Nobody had any additional information on RI covered hopper return to lettering, but Ottawa is what I am modeling and they had a very large sand plant that needed many cars to serve it.  Ottawa is also shown on cars in later period pictures.  Reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

Eric Mumper


Re: ICC Freight Commodity Statistics

Bill J.
 

Fascinating and incredibly useful.  Thanks for the long, hard pull to compile all these data!

Bill Jolitz


Re: Photo: Unloading Sugar Beets, Oxnard, CA

cliffprather
 

The gondolas next to the beet unloading track might have limestone in them. Limestone was used the production of sugar from beets.

cliff prather


Re: Tetra Ethyl lead cars (Was Conoco)

Tim O'Connor
 


Just FYI the EBAX tetraethyl lead tank cars were still in revenue service into the 1990's. I photographed one,
a 3,000 gallon size car, in Tacoma in 1992.


On 6/27/2020 1:52 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Ken,

EBAX 3197, the car I shot, is not in my 1958 ORER. That said, I just took a look at the EBAX roster there. While there are a number of 3,000 gallon cars, most are 6,000. Most are ICC 105A300W TPI cars, though a few of the 3K cars are ICC105A300, which AIUI means they are riveted. They have the lowest numbers, suggesting they are the oldest cars in the fleet. Not surprisingly, the majority of the 831 car fleet are restricted to carrying "Motor Fuel Anti-Knock Compound", that is tetraethyllead. There are a few cars listed as carrying metalic sodium, ethyl chloride, Muriatic Acid, and chlorine gas, which I presume are constituent chemicals used to make anti-knock compounds, or are by-products of the process being shipped to other industries. These cars ranged from 7 to 11K.

By the way, there was also an Ethyl Corporation of Canada which rostered 42 cars under the ECCX mark. All are indicated as for tetraethyllead. They are all 3K or 6K cars classed as ICC 105A300W TPI.

I did not know about DuPont making this stuff, but I remember that I saw some of their cars on the WP as well. Dupont had a large chemical plant somewhere west of Pittsburg, and I have some shots of one of their locomotives. This might have been where their cars in the WP trains were headed. Of  course, DuPont made a lot of other nasty stuff as well as tetraethyllead. I have some negatives somewhere, and I will probably get to them in my next big scan campaign later this year when I start work on my California stuff from the 1960s and 1970s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Tennessee Coal, Iron & Railroad

Thomas Evans
 

Ray,

There are other photos.  The LofC has a few:

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=ensley&co=det

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=birmingham%20mine&co=det

And I have some builders photos of an earlier (link & pin era) car from the Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham RR.

I'm also very interested in this particular style of wooden hopper car & would love to learn about others wherever they might have been.

The Colorado Midland (my particular interest) had a fleet of similar cars on an obscure branch hauling coal from the mine to coke ovens which eventually fed the big CF&I steel mill in Pueblo, Colo.

Tom E.


Running board details

Eric Hansmann
 

Aaron Gjermundson looks at an interesting prototype detail supporting running board laterals and builds a version for a boxcar model. It's the latest Resin Car Works blog post.


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Covered Hoppers

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Eric great looking cars
Fenton 


On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...> wrote:


Very nice Eric. Lloyd Keyser

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:23 PM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:
Beautiful cars Eric!

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 5:29:00 PM CDT, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:


Group,

Over time I have asked a fair number of questions about covered hoppers in the steam era.  The Google photos link shows the results of some work to make the Intermountain 1958 cuft covered hopper more accurate based on the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia articles and my October 1954 modeling period.  See:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QhJHHepKTC8mmBMU7

These are factory painted cars with simple mods to make them more representative of the prototype.  They all needed new brakewheels and trucks.

DT&I 11841:  These came from Intermountain with their version of the type 2 roof.  I removed the toe holds and changed the brake wheel to a Kadee Equipco plus adding Tahoe #8 trucks.  The reweigh was already correct and some chalk marks were added.

PM 20096:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel, Tahoe #13 ASF A-3 trucks, and a Plano US Gypsum running board.  Chalk markings and new reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

NKP 99750:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks (not 70T, but the spring package looks right to me.)  Chalk markings and new reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

SHPX 25581:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks.  The grab irons were painted black.  I swagged at the reweigh/repack being by the Q at KC since it was in their lease and used FCR as the color to paint out the old.  There is no definitive answer to this point about when they were returned to SHPX from Q lease.

SHPX 25402:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks.  The grab irons were painted black.  This car started life as SHPX 25592 leased to the Q like SHPX 25581.  The 59 and the lease information was scraped off and it was renumbered 25402 and the lettering "LEASED TO HALLIBURTON OIL WELL CEMENTING CO." added to the sides.

RI 332:  A Detail Associates Ureco brake wheel was added (not shown - will retake pic later) and Tahoe #13 trucks substituted.  I scraped off the original return to lettering and changed it to "WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO OTTAWA, ILL."  Nobody had any additional information on RI covered hopper return to lettering, but Ottawa is what I am modeling and they had a very large sand plant that needed many cars to serve it.  Ottawa is also shown on cars in later period pictures.  Reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

Eric Mumper


C&O MW Tenders

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Attached are four photos of C&O MW tenders I found at Gordonsville, Virginia circa 1985. Note that all four are different types, but probably all were assigned as water or fuel cars to MW trains. They were on their way to scrap, and it's a shame none were saved for a museum somewhere.

These are the last of the C&O MW cars I will post here. I have a few Southern cars to share soon, including some ex-CG boxcars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



Re: Covered Hoppers

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Eric,

Very nice cars, each with a subtly different character.  Ottawa IL is legendary for it's sand.  These should make a a useful addition to your fleet serving the sand quarry.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Covered Hoppers

Lloyd Keyser
 

Very nice Eric. Lloyd Keyser

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:23 PM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:
Beautiful cars Eric!

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 5:29:00 PM CDT, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:


Group,

Over time I have asked a fair number of questions about covered hoppers in the steam era.  The Google photos link shows the results of some work to make the Intermountain 1958 cuft covered hopper more accurate based on the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia articles and my October 1954 modeling period.  See:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QhJHHepKTC8mmBMU7

These are factory painted cars with simple mods to make them more representative of the prototype.  They all needed new brakewheels and trucks.

DT&I 11841:  These came from Intermountain with their version of the type 2 roof.  I removed the toe holds and changed the brake wheel to a Kadee Equipco plus adding Tahoe #8 trucks.  The reweigh was already correct and some chalk marks were added.

PM 20096:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel, Tahoe #13 ASF A-3 trucks, and a Plano US Gypsum running board.  Chalk markings and new reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

NKP 99750:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks (not 70T, but the spring package looks right to me.)  Chalk markings and new reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

SHPX 25581:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks.  The grab irons were painted black.  I swagged at the reweigh/repack being by the Q at KC since it was in their lease and used FCR as the color to paint out the old.  There is no definitive answer to this point about when they were returned to SHPX from Q lease.

SHPX 25402:  This used a Kadee Ajax brake wheel and Tahoe #7 trucks.  The grab irons were painted black.  This car started life as SHPX 25592 leased to the Q like SHPX 25581.  The 59 and the lease information was scraped off and it was renumbered 25402 and the lettering "LEASED TO HALLIBURTON OIL WELL CEMENTING CO." added to the sides.

RI 332:  A Detail Associates Ureco brake wheel was added (not shown - will retake pic later) and Tahoe #13 trucks substituted.  I scraped off the original return to lettering and changed it to "WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO OTTAWA, ILL."  Nobody had any additional information on RI covered hopper return to lettering, but Ottawa is what I am modeling and they had a very large sand plant that needed many cars to serve it.  Ottawa is also shown on cars in later period pictures.  Reweigh/repack decals finished it off.

Eric Mumper


FS: Tangent Bethlehem 52’6” and ACF 70-ton gondolas

Sam Reynolds
 

I have for sale the following Tangent Bethlehem 52’6” and ACF 70-ton gondolas:

1 Tangent ACF 70-ton welded gondola; Tangent #10713-15; DL&W “Original Black” 1951+; DL&W #68910; $30

1 Tangent Bethlehem 52’6” gondola; Tangent #10917-06; B&O “1956-Large Stencils; B&O #262637; $30

2 Tangent Bethlehem 52’6” gondola; Tangent #10918-03 and #1098-05; Lehigh Valley “Original 1952”; LV #33497 and LV #33618; $30 each

I’m asking $130 for all four items if purchased as a lot, price includes shipping. All items are in their original box, and haven’t been used. Individual listed prices don’t include shipping (USPS Priority Mail from 08033), and I combine shipping if more than one item is purchased. Photos of items listed will be provided upon request. I accept PayPal, USPS Money Orders, and personal checks for payment. If interested please contact me off list at monon@.... Thanks for looking!

Sam Reynolds

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