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Re: Westerfields

Dennis Storzek
 

Last I knew, Al was in CROSSVILLE, Tenn, which is a bit farther east and south.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Westerfields

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Andrew Dahm bought Westerfield a few years ago now and has been relocated to Gardnerville, Nevada.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

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From: Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io
Sent: March 5, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Westerfields

 

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Westerfields

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Dave Parker
 

Elden:

On the B&M, at least "back in the day", the only examples I know of are (i) the 200 MDT-built reefers of 1923 that carried "BANANA SERVICE ONLY" stencils, and (ii) the 1929-30 ARA quad hoppers that said "FOR EXCLUSIVE USE ON HOME ROADS".  I'm not sure if the latter qualifies as the kind of "dedicated service" that you are curious about.  Its origin, I presume, was the age and condition of the B&M's other coal cars, and the need to move a lot of water-borne bituminous from Boston to the many re-coaling facilities scattered around northern New England.

I don't think either stencil persisted for very long, certainly not much after the war.  I think the some of the reefers might have ended up in dedicated ice service, but that's too far into the future for me.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Todd Sullivan
 

My experience clerking at the NPTCo in Portland in 1961-62 with NP and GN covered hoppers was that a small group was dedicated to bulk feed service from the large Albers mill across from Union Station.  There was nothing in the car lists or documentation I typically saw, but the same cars kept showing up for another outbound load.  These covered hoppers were build within the time-frame of this list.  Boxcars in bulk feed service (as opposed to bagged feed service) were also dedicated, and were so designated in track and industry switch lists with "FEED".  Ditto for hide cars which were marked "HIDES" on their switch list entries.  If you ever walked by either kind of car in a yard, you would know why unless you had a bad head cold. :-)

Todd Sullivan


Re: coupler distance over car end

vapeurchapelon
 

Thanks again Dennis,
 
at weekend I will go through these postings.
 
Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. März 2020 um 14:56 Uhr
Von: "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] coupler distance over car end
Just to finish this up, I'm going to post a link to the results of a search and see if it works:

Distance between coupled cars

Not exactly the same question but related there are some good comparisons made by Doc Denny back in 2005.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: CN Livestock Car 815029

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

This sucker looks like it was a double decker for beef critters rather than sheep or hogs.

Just my thought from it's height, Don Valentine


Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

 
Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars
From: Tom Madden
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:29:45 PST

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 03:05 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

Buy all you want. We can still make 'em faster than you can buy 'em! :-)

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden


The ONLY advantage of injection molding over resin casting.

Don Valentine



Re: dating kit contents

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 03:31 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Don’t tell me you can’t do it.  Or that you don’t know..  The information is right on the decoration: “BLT 1946” or whatever.  IIRC, Branchline did this and it guided my purchases.  And it’s one reason I have few Kadee PS1.  All too late for me.
We do that too... our web site listing for the car that started this discussion says, "built 1925."

Dennis Storzek


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Charles Peck
 

GE's Appliance Park in Louisville KY got a dedicated group of high-cube cars, not all from just one road.  Park opened in 1951.
Chuck Peck


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:42 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:
     For the railroads I have studied and read up in company files, I'll make a generalization that: specialized cars are most likely to be found in dedicated service. 

The rational is that these costs of the (then) new designs had to be justified by a dependable ROI.

    When the NP ordered new 50' cars in the late 1920's, these new 6000 series were to be dedicated to auto service. The studies done by them indicated that shipments of autos at that time were most dependent on what empty cars were available in the local Detroit area yards, and who let cars sit around idle local to the auto plants waiting for the call. They wanted these cars yesterday if not sooner, so they bought 1000 of these based largely on an existing AT&StF design that a car builder was building and had the assy. jigs already in place.  As autos grew in length, the Evans loaders needed to be changed more or less yearly with each new auto development. Eventually for lack of several inches (3 - 4 inches) of interior roof height, the cars were no longer viable as auto carriers and were released into general service.  

      Later came covered hoppers, at a time when these were still uncommon on railroads, the NP bought a handful - for one shipper per the request of the sales dept. Then later bought the next handful for another shipper, again per the sales dept.  Both of these sets and many later purchases of covered hoppers went directly into dedicated service.  The SP&S and GN were the same early on in the development of covered hoppers from the exchange of letters found in corporate files. The Q had a bigger heavy industry market (the Chicago area) than the others and so was on an earlier timeline.

   More NP examples (covered gons) exist however they are beyond this lists 1960 end date. 

     And I will state that if it was a dedicated service car, accounting had already crunched the numbers on the sales department request for said cars to be dedicated. An AFE or reading the railroads Board of Directors budget request for the prior year that cars were ordered for Oliver Farm Equipment or others should shed light on things. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN

 

    


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

np328
 

     For the railroads I have studied and read up in company files, I'll make a generalization that: specialized cars are most likely to be found in dedicated service. 

The rational is that these costs of the (then) new designs had to be justified by a dependable ROI.

    When the NP ordered new 50' cars in the late 1920's, these new 6000 series were to be dedicated to auto service. The studies done by them indicated that shipments of autos at that time were most dependent on what empty cars were available in the local Detroit area yards, and who let cars sit around idle local to the auto plants waiting for the call. They wanted these cars yesterday if not sooner, so they bought 1000 of these based largely on an existing AT&StF design that a car builder was building and had the assy. jigs already in place.  As autos grew in length, the Evans loaders needed to be changed more or less yearly with each new auto development. Eventually for lack of several inches (3 - 4 inches) of interior roof height, the cars were no longer viable as auto carriers and were released into general service.  

      Later came covered hoppers, at a time when these were still uncommon on railroads, the NP bought a handful - for one shipper per the request of the sales dept. Then later bought the next handful for another shipper, again per the sales dept.  Both of these sets and many later purchases of covered hoppers went directly into dedicated service.  The SP&S and GN were the same early on in the development of covered hoppers from the exchange of letters found in corporate files. The Q had a bigger heavy industry market (the Chicago area) than the others and so was on an earlier timeline.

   More NP examples (covered gons) exist however they are beyond this lists 1960 end date. 

     And I will state that if it was a dedicated service car, accounting had already crunched the numbers on the sales department request for said cars to be dedicated. An AFE or reading the railroads Board of Directors budget request for the prior year that cars were ordered for Oliver Farm Equipment or others should shed light on things. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN

 

    


dating kit contents

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Paul Woods suggests

 

It would be handy if manufacturers put a little unicorn symbol on their advertising beside the foobie paint jobs i.e. 'This one belongs in a fairy tale'.

 

I agree with that, but I’d also appreciate some effort to be made to provide what amounts to a time stamp.  Easy enough to put it in the stamp that marks the end of the box.  I’m not going to provide an example but it’d be simple enough to add “1954” or “1946” to indicate that the car inside first appeared painted this way in that year.

 

Don’t tell me you can’t do it.  Or that you don’t know..  The information is right on the decoration: “BLT 1946” or whatever.  IIRC, Branchline did this and it guided my purchases.  And it’s one reason I have few Kadee PS1.  All too late for me.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Woods
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Tom Madden wrote:

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden

[Speaking mostly tongue-in-cheek]: A significant disadvantage of injection moulding is, having plowed huge $$$ into an injection-moulding die, it becomes very difficult for a manufacturer to resist putting Foobie paint jobs on models to increase their return.  I completely understand the need for this, and many purchasers don't mind anyway, but I have to say it really stings when I spend good money on what I think is an accurate model (not in HO, by the way, I model in O), only to find it never existed.  It would be handy if manufacturers put a little unicorn symbol on their advertising beside the foobie paint jobs i.e. 'This one belongs in a fairy tale'.

Actually, come to think of it, advertising for the schemes that could be called 90%-100% accurate probably should include a picture of that classic child's equine ride-on nursery toy with a little brown pile behind it, because they seem to be rarer than rocking horse poo!

Paul Woods

 


Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Tom Madden wrote:

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden

[Speaking mostly tongue-in-cheek]: A significant disadvantage of injection moulding is, having plowed huge $$$ into an injection-moulding die, it becomes very difficult for a manufacturer to resist putting Foobie paint jobs on models to increase their return.  I completely understand the need for this, and many purchasers don't mind anyway, but I have to say it really stings when I spend good money on what I think is an accurate model (not in HO, by the way, I model in O), only to find it never existed.  It would be handy if manufacturers put a little unicorn symbol on their advertising beside the foobie paint jobs i.e. 'This one belongs in a fairy tale'.

Actually, come to think of it, advertising for the schemes that could be called 90%-100% accurate probably should include a picture of that classic child's equine ride-on nursery toy with a little brown pile behind it, because they seem to be rarer than rocking horse poo!

Paul Woods

 


Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

Todd Horton
 

The Central started using “ The Right Way” lettering in 1954 on freight cars. The 50’ black and silver “blimp” cars were the first to have this.  The slogan was used earlier on some diesel locomotives and cabooses before this date.      Todd Horton 


On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:


Thanks Tim for the excellent photo.

Can anyone tell me when CG first used "The Right Way" slogan on their boxcars?

And a special thanks to Ed Hawkins who has furnished more information than this old head can assimilate!

Allen Cain


Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Tom Madden
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 03:05 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Buy all you want. We can still make 'em faster than you can buy 'em! :-)

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden


Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

O Fenton Wells
 

I thought it was 1952 but not sure about that, should check with C of G HS. They would certainly know 
Fenton 


On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


Thanks Tim for the excellent photo.

Can anyone tell me when CG first used "The Right Way" slogan on their boxcars?

And a special thanks to Ed Hawkins who has furnished more information than this old head can assimilate!

Allen Cain


Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Dennis Storzek
 

Buy all you want. We can still make 'em faster than you can buy 'em! :-)

Dennis Storzek


Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

Allen Cain
 

Thanks Tim for the excellent photo.

Can anyone tell me when CG first used "The Right Way" slogan on their boxcars?

And a special thanks to Ed Hawkins who has furnished more information than this old head can assimilate!

Allen Cain


Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Hi Scott, looks like Ben is going to buy a kit for you to harvest the roof, what a guy!

Bill Welch


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Richard Wilkens
 

As to the Spokane, Portland & Seattle Railway, they had bulkhead flat cars in dedicated service for plaster board to Kaiser Gypsum as well as most of their wood chip gondola cars were in dedicated service with the largest customer being Crown Zellerbach Paper. I have seen photos of some cars with "Return to..." stenciling.

Rich Wilkens

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