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Re: NP steel boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 05:45 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D
Turns it green, for one. It's a preservative treatment so it has many of the same uses as creosote but the chemistry is different.  For more info, do a search on "chromated copper arsenate."

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo Help -- DT&I Boxcar #14300-14549

Tim O'Connor
 

1956 photo

On 7/9/2020 4:06 PM, John Stanford wrote:
I don't have any photos of that series, but I do show they were shopped in 1959 with insullation and plug doors added and renumbered into 19300-19449 series, of which there are several photos - though obviously with different doors.  Dave Mikulec's DT&I page has several photos of those...  http://dti.railfan.net/Equipment_Database/DTI19000s40'InsulBoxcar/ArtDTI19300s.html

That might get you started until someone else can come through with the real deal.

-John Stanford

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

ron christensen
 

I took this picture of ACL ventilated boxcar at Thomasville GA may 1964.
Ron Christensen


Re: Milk Containers on Flat Cars - Help with Colors

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the aluminum painted cars were for the Chemical Division - I think this was the final paint scheme.


On 7/9/2020 3:49 PM, Don Burn wrote:
From the old MilkTrains group when it was on Yahoo:

Borden cars were painted white(cream?) with Black letterring. In the 1940's, Bordens painted these cars a reddish orange with yellow letterring which was changed to a silver with black letters by the mid fifties.

I suspect you are seeing photos of the silver colored cars.

Don Burn


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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of webotkin
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2020 10:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Milk Containers on Flat Cars - Help with Colors

Hi,

 I am modeling some milk container cars on the flat cars owned by National Car Company that the DL&W used to carry in their milk trains in the early 1950’s.  Funaro and Camerlengo (F&C) has produced these cars in HO as resin kits.  In the process of painting the kits, the question is what color are the containers and what were they lettered.

In a review of the kits in RMC in the July 1989 issue written by Rusty Recordon, he indicated that the in the 1950’s era, the containers were very weathered, without any lettering and appeared to be a Pullman green color based on his viewing some color movies from the period.  I have be unable to locate any color photos of these cars and there are few black and white images available.

The Lackawanna served several dairies in the period including Dairymen’s League, Sheffield and Borden’s.  According to the F&C instructions, the Dairymen’s League, Sheffield and Borden’s containers were all white with black lettering, though even in the few black and white images I have found, the Borden’s containers don’t appear white, but something much darker in shade – perhaps very weathered white?

 If anyone has better information on this topic, I would appreciate it.  I have posted a photo from the F&C website of the Borden’s containers as a reference.

Thanks.

William E. Botkin

Centennial, CO

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Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
It is exactly for this reason that I prefer brass screws - they are relatively easy to cut to a custom length (much easier than steel screws), but since they are metal they are stronger than plastic screws
 
Claus Schlunnd
 

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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws


I use the Kadee screws for cases (hoppers and flats) where the length of the screw causes it to emerge
and become visible - or if it interferes with something inside the car, like a weight. I install it, and then cut it
off flush. If you're snapping them, you're over tightening them. Use a tiny drop of Loctite if you're worried
about them coming out.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 1:12 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Wayne Cohen wrote:
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tim O'Connor
 


Lots of shoes were made in New England. Frye Boots and Rockport were both in Marlboro MA where I used to live.
There's a shoemakers statue in a park there. The New Haven and B&M each had branchlines into Marlboro that served
the shoe factories. The NH branch line runs from Framingham to Fitchburg and is still active (it runs through Sterling, too,
where I now live). The B&M branch from Hudson (where it crossed the old Mass Central) is now a bike trail.


On 7/10/2020 9:47 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

Ditto on Dexters.  What I really liked was that I could absolutely rely on the size and fit.  I bought 10½ D without even bothering to try them on.  Once they left Maine, that went to hell in a handbasket.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter Cox via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Were Dexter shoes sold that far west? When they were actually made in Maine they were all I bought.

Walt

In a message dated 7/8/2020 9:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, drpaasch@... writes:

 

They wouldn't ship spuds or cranberries from Maine to the west coast as Washington and Idaho are spud country, and Washington and Oregon grow cranberries (Ocean Spray).  But B&M beans are THE best and certainly were shipped to the west!

Paper not likely as Washington had gobs of paper mills.  But I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

  Doug Paasch


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Listed as series 1403-1463, 29 cars in 12-1930 ORER
 
Note than in this ORER, the series NO LONGER STARTS with 1400! Perhaps that indicates that cars 1400-1402 were no longer in existance. Perhaps it also indicates that maybe car 1403 really DOES still exist within this series at that date
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Not listed as of Sept 1919 (October ORER).  31 cars listed in series 1400 -1463 in 1925.  At least it narrows it a bit.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Weston via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

 

The Akron, Canton and Youngstown railroad owned 67 gons in the series 1400-1466 These were 40' cars rated for 40 tons. I'm trying to determine when they first appeared on the AC&Y but have no ORERs. Can someone possibly help me here? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Ray Breyer
 

The cars appear in the October 1926 ORER (1400-1463, 31 cars). Sadly, I don't have an ORER between 11/1917 and 10/1926.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Friday, July 10, 2020, 08:01:10 AM CDT, Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle@...> wrote:


Forgot to add they appeared sometime between 919 and 1939.


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ditto on Dexters.  What I really liked was that I could absolutely rely on the size and fit.  I bought 10½ D without even bothering to try them on.  Once they left Maine, that went to hell in a handbasket.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter Cox via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

 

Were Dexter shoes sold that far west? When they were actually made in Maine they were all I bought.

Walt

In a message dated 7/8/2020 9:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, drpaasch@... writes:

 

They wouldn't ship spuds or cranberries from Maine to the west coast as Washington and Idaho are spud country, and Washington and Oregon grow cranberries (Ocean Spray).  But B&M beans are THE best and certainly were shipped to the west!

Paper not likely as Washington had gobs of paper mills.  But I have been looking at how to justify a BAR reefer and some BM cars to appear on my Seattle layout and any more ideas would be welcome.  All I can think of for a BAR reefer is fresh lobster?  I like the idea of the BM car carrying B&M beans to some grocery distributors, too.

  Doug Paasch

 


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Wayne Cohen
 

Thank you Tim, and all who responded.

I haven’t snapped heads installing them; rather, they snapped in service.  Still, I think Tim is on to something.  I’ll try the new ones on one or two cars - ensuring they are only snug rather than tight - and see how they do.

The latest iteration of the Kadee has a nice appearance: slightly flatter and wider head, and matte finish as compared to the shiny old ones. Rarely any need to paint them either, of course.


Tim O’Connor wrote:
I use the Kadee screws for cases (hoppers and flats) where the length of the screw causes it to emerge
and become visible - or if it interferes with something inside the car, like a weight. I install it, and then cut it
off flush. If you're snapping them, you're over tightening them. Use a tiny drop of Loctite if you're worried
about them coming out.
--
Wayne Cohen


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Not listed as of Sept 1919 (October ORER).  31 cars listed in series 1400 -1463 in 1925.  At least it narrows it a bit.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Weston via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

 

The Akron, Canton and Youngstown railroad owned 67 gons in the series 1400-1466 These were 40' cars rated for 40 tons. I'm trying to determine when they first appeared on the AC&Y but have no ORERs. Can someone possibly help me here? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: NP steel boxcar

Pierre Oliver
 

It’s also know as pressure treated lumber
All that green and brown stuff for decks and fences

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Jul 10, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D



On 7/6/2020 10:41 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NP steel boxcar

Ray Hutchison
 


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D



On 7/6/2020 10:41 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Good thing that tank car was empty, or there might not even be a bridge there anymore.


On 7/8/2020 3:32 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Claus Schlund wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
UNION TEXAS NATURAL GAS tank car and WFE wood ice reefer in Tallahassee, FL 1964
 
 
 
   The late Warren Mayfield, who supervised wreck clearance on the P&LE for years, said that inevitably the worst accidents happened on bridges or fills, usually at night, and typically while it was raining.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Bob Weston
 

Forgot to add they appeared sometime between 919 and 1939.


AC&Y 1400-1466 series gondolas

Bob Weston
 

The Akron, Canton and Youngstown railroad owned 67 gons in the series 1400-1466 These were 40' cars rated for 40 tons. I'm trying to determine when they first appeared on the AC&Y but have no ORERs. Can someone possibly help me here? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: NP steel boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


I'd like to know what "Wolmanizing" does to the lumber! :-D



On 7/6/2020 10:41 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Tim O'Connor
 


I use the Kadee screws for cases (hoppers and flats) where the length of the screw causes it to emerge
and become visible - or if it interferes with something inside the car, like a weight. I install it, and then cut it
off flush. If you're snapping them, you're over tightening them. Use a tiny drop of Loctite if you're worried
about them coming out.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/8/2020 1:12 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Wayne Cohen wrote:
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Nelson Moyer
 

I used the Kadee plastic screws when I first started building resin kits, and two negatives soon appeared. The first problem was that occasionally a screw would freeze and trying to remove it would strip the head, which required drilling a new hole, filling it with styrene and starting over. The second problem is that the Phillips head on the Kadee screws is large, requiring a #1 Phillips screwdriver instead of the #0 screwdriver I use for metal screws. That can be a problem in tight clearance situations. It’s really quite easy to strip the plastic head, as it’s not deep enough to properly engage the screwdriver tip. I use 1-56 pan Phillips metal machine screws from FMW Fasteners in  ¼ in., 3/16 in., and 5/32 in. lengths. I ordered 500 each online, and they should last a lifetime. These screws have a deep Philips head that perfectly fits a #0 screwdriver, and I’ve ever had one fail.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Tony,

 

That is how you cut longer bolts and treaded rod in the real world.  Always works.

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

Mont Switzer wrote:

 

Why I like the Delrin 2-56 screws is I can cut or trim them to the exact length that I want, with ease.  I've done this before and after installation with equal success.

 

      Works equally well with brass screws, Mont. Just turn a nut onto the screw above the cut, make the cut, then turn the nut back off, cleans up the thread, then file if needed. Almost as quick as with plastic.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Flood Damaged PFE Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony or anyone --

A question - Did you notice the 'diagonal' brace between the draft gear and the floor stringer? On models
these diagonals are always flat against the floor. But this one looks like it goes from the floor (and stringer)
to the end sill - not flush against the floor.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/4/2020 11:54 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Flood Damaged PFE Reefers

A 1933 photo from the UCLA Library:

https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/edu.ucla.library.specialCollections.losAngelesDailyNews%3A1054

This photo can be enlarges quite a bit. Photo editing software brings out the details.

Description: "Wreckage of train tracks and Southern Pacific box cars [sic] after record-breaking rainfall in southern California. December 31, 1933."

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

The nearest reefer appears to be PFE 9544. That would make it an R-30-5 reefer, one of 3,021 cars (series 7101-10121) built in 1909-1911 by Pullman.

Notice this car has a single grab iron on the near end side. With regard to safety appliances, interchange rules required an additional grab iron on house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933.

Notice how some of the siding has been stripped from the sides of the cars.

Additional photo:

https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/edu.ucla.library.specialCollections.losAngelesDailyNews%3A1053

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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