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Re: Help with a SP box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

National who ??

This is the B-50-20 represented by the IMWX (later Red Caboose) 1937 AAR box car. Many
cars by the late 1940's would have been relettered per the 1946 style with spelled out road name.

What is different about the NSC kit compared to the IMWX?


On 1/14/2020 2:34 PM, Clark Propst wrote:
At CCB (Great event had a wonderful time) I purchased a mini-kit from 'National Scale Car' for a SP box car, series 83420-83739. Kit basics are doors, lower tracks and decals. The only photo of a SP car in the instructions was taken later in life with larger roadname stenciling and lowered placards. I want to model the car for the late 40s, so I need to know the placement of the placard and route card board on the Superior door. Also there are three lettering choices on the decal sheet. Large roadname, smaller roadname for between the stripes above and below the roadname and number, and just initials for above the numbers between the stripes. These cars were built in 11-40. Which option would be appropriate?  From what photos I have I'm leaning towards just initials. I really need a photo showing the doors tho...I've got it ready for paint except for the doors.
CW Propst
_._,_._,_


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Caboose restrictions

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

This discussion came up originally on the CB&Q@groups.io list because someone came across a photo of an 1899 20FT Burlington NM-1 Bobber body that has been preserved at the Pioneer Village, albeit on a cobbled narrow gauge four wheel underframe.  As one of only fifteen built it survived but the more numerous (almost fifty) 25FT NM-2 cars that appeared in a 1954 Model Railroader Article (CB&Q General Arrangement Drawing attached) and have been copied in cast metal pencil sharpeners and smaller keychain fobs found in RR Museum Gift Shops are all gone!

The question came up what triggered the rapid demise of the Bobber type after a slew of them were built for some roads right around 1900?

A little bit of online research yields legislation and mentions thereof in trade journals state by state but here is a summary published in the Railway Age Gazette including The American Engineer Vol 47 1913 aka American Engineer The Railway Mechanical Monthly p87.

The summary covers the states of Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

The bulk of legislation regulating cabooses seems to have started around 1905 and most states had passed similar laws by 1920.

The regulations covered the strength,  number of wheels/trucks, length, size of platforms, doors, steps, hand brakes, air valves, cupola and other aspects of the car.   One key feature that especially impacted the continued use of Bobbers was strength requirements (steel underframe).

(the 2-4 designated two four wheel trucks, thus dooming pedestal mounted four wheel cars).

There were some exceptions for continued use of non-standard cars for transfer, terminal and construction train use which can explain some of the cars that survived into the 1930s and beyond.

Each railroad had its own genealogy concerning four wheel cabooses…for example the PRR used such cars well into the transition era while at the same time converting some cars to eight wheeled types. 

I have also noted that the Illinois Railroad and Warehouse Commission annual reports note requests and granting of temporary use of boxcars fitted out as cabooses detailed down to individual car numbers by railroad but I have not seen any mention of bobbers.

From references in the Brotherhood journals it is apparent that the legislation was driven by trainmen concerned about safety and comfort due to the carnage from on wood under fame cars with the advent of heavier power and trains and the lack of facilities on the smaller cars.

Not included in these discussions is the WWI and WWII “War Emergency” temporary boxcar conversions which many roads had which is yet another research topic.

Charlie Vlk

 


General Question ... Was - Re: UoK Permalinks

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

  Bob's post with the UoK links prompts me to ask a general question about
freight car distribution.  This is not a criticism it is a request for enlightment.

  I have noticed that many of the photo links of earlier time frames - let's say
pre-WWII - that are taken at locations East of the Mississippi have 
relatively few cars in them from West Coast roads.  (I am not referring to
pics devoted to a single car/road but rather to pics of trains/yards with a
variety of cars in them.)  And then, after WW-II the West Coast roads 
start to show up in ever larger numbers as time passes.

  So my question is - was there a significant change in what products were
available, and where they were produced and where they were consumed
that caused this shift?
  If it wasn't the above ... what was the change?
  At least one answer is that most of the pics posted of East Coast trains
and yards are being posted (or linked) by members of this list who have
less interest in the West Coast.  I don't think that's true ... but it might be a
factor.  For example, the classic/oft referenced freight car distribution 
study was done using freight trains in Wyoming ... might/wouldn't that
study have changed if the location was "some where on the East Coast"?

                                                                                - Jim


Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

mark_landgraf
 

OK - I tried to send an 11 mb attachment that was readable, however our group resized it to 225kb and made it mostly unreadable.
Jason or Garth, If you need the readable version email me at

mark_landgraf at yahoo dot com

Mark


On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 5:08:56 PM EST, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:


I looked around a little bit more and found a a gondola that was used by LCL corp. It doesn't appear to the exact car you are looking for but it may provide some guidance. It's a big drawing but I got it down to and emailable size.

Mark Landgraf


On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:38:27 PM EST, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:


Hi,

LCL Corp 1956 inventory shows that there were 216 containers were owned by Carbide & Carbon Chemical and were in assigned service to Union Carbide for Calcium Carbide serve. 

I have drawings of some of these containers, but my drawings are for a flat top version, not the peaked top version shown in your photo.

I attempted to attach them.

Mark Landgraf


On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:02:04 PM EST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Jason Kliewer wrote:

None of the ORER data gives me much to scale off of vertically except the inside height.  But at 17", I'm thinking it has a wood floor or maybe some sort of brackets or bracing to hold the containers.
What I really need is a pictures that shows one of the containers out of the car so I can see the bracing.

      If this car is anything like the SP version, there are good interior photos in my volume on SP flat cars, Vol. 3 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ that was published by Signature Press.

Tony Thompson




Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

mark_landgraf
 

I looked around a little bit more and found a a gondola that was used by LCL corp. It doesn't appear to the exact car you are looking for but it may provide some guidance. It's a big drawing but I got it down to and emailable size.

Mark Landgraf


On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:38:27 PM EST, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:


Hi,

LCL Corp 1956 inventory shows that there were 216 containers were owned by Carbide & Carbon Chemical and were in assigned service to Union Carbide for Calcium Carbide serve. 

I have drawings of some of these containers, but my drawings are for a flat top version, not the peaked top version shown in your photo.

I attempted to attach them.

Mark Landgraf


On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:02:04 PM EST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Jason Kliewer wrote:

None of the ORER data gives me much to scale off of vertically except the inside height.  But at 17", I'm thinking it has a wood floor or maybe some sort of brackets or bracing to hold the containers.
What I really need is a pictures that shows one of the containers out of the car so I can see the bracing.

      If this car is anything like the SP version, there are good interior photos in my volume on SP flat cars, Vol. 3 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ that was published by Signature Press.

Tony Thompson




Re: UTLX Dry Bulk Tank Car 81014

Bruce Smith
 

Garth,

We discussed this car and the entire very cool scene back in December 2018.

and originally in February 2015

Lots of information in those two threads about the cars in the scene.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 14, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

I also exploring the U of KY site, and found this very interesting UTLX triple-dome tank car, apparently converted to, or built new as, a dry bulk car. The photo is dated 1934. I've seen builder's photos of similar cars, but this is the first I've seen in an in-service photo, and the first of a UTLX car. 


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

mark_landgraf
 

Hi,

LCL Corp 1956 inventory shows that there were 216 containers were owned by Carbide & Carbon Chemical and were in assigned service to Union Carbide for Calcium Carbide serve. 

I have drawings of some of these containers, but my drawings are for a flat top version, not the peaked top version shown in your photo.

I attempted to attach them.

Mark Landgraf


On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 4:02:04 PM EST, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Jason Kliewer wrote:

None of the ORER data gives me much to scale off of vertically except the inside height.  But at 17", I'm thinking it has a wood floor or maybe some sort of brackets or bracing to hold the containers.
What I really need is a pictures that shows one of the containers out of the car so I can see the bracing.

      If this car is anything like the SP version, there are good interior photos in my volume on SP flat cars, Vol. 3 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ that was published by Signature Press.

Tony Thompson




UoK Permalinks

Bob Webber
 

While looking for something OTHER than Steam Era Freight Cars - I grabbed the permalinks for a variety of such cars for an index of sorts for my later perusal.  Some entertaining and educational - though mostly "early)" cars and perhaps of no interest to those on the list for a while seeing the regular posts - I sometimes have to pass over content on days when the traffic is heavy.... 

Note I did NOT search on rr freight cars, so it is possible some of these haven't shown up in previous searches....

MILW Box
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7b5m625z73_6_1208
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7b5m625z73_6_1209

C&O Ventilated Box
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_275_1

C&EI Auto
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_3476_1

L&N Boxes
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_1057_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_1059_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_1054_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_1053_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_2392_1

SOU Box
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6103_1

AGS Box
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6101_1

Q&C Boxes
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6107_1

Q&C Cars various
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6117_1
& Ag display of cars - many more too
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7prr1pgv6h_241_12

SOU Stock
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7n8p5v980r_2786_1

Refrigerator Icing
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6145_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6148_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6147_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6146_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6144_1

Misc
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_5869_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_6119_1
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7sf7664q86_5878_1

Tanks - floating!
https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7nvx05xv47_4793_1

VGN Coal


https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7r7s7hr44k_1_2


Bob Webber


Re: UTLX Dry Bulk Tank Car 81014

 

Hello Garth and all,

This is a very fun shot, I believe I have seen a low res. version of this before. Couldn't make much out on that one.
Thanks for this post.

The car looks like a UTL type V 10k car ( 5 courses ) and it looks to be in it's second rebuilding.

Note different dome sizes and hand grab locations on domes + offset ladder on left side of car, Cool.
You can make out original ( old style ) ladder steps to right of center dome.

With all the L&N stuff in the shot, tank car in kaolin service maybe?

PFE reefer in background with enamel shield, separating / loosening from side.

Regards,
Dan Smith


Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

Tony Thompson
 

Jason Kliewer wrote:

None of the ORER data gives me much to scale off of vertically except the inside height.  But at 17", I'm thinking it has a wood floor or maybe some sort of brackets or bracing to hold the containers.
What I really need is a pictures that shows one of the containers out of the car so I can see the bracing.

      If this car is anything like the SP version, there are good interior photos in my volume on SP flat cars, Vol. 3 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ that was published by Signature Press.

Tony Thompson




Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

Jason Kliewer
 

Hi Garth, thanks for the reply.  As I mentioned in my post, I've been working from the ORER data and having a time trying to get it to look right - mostly the containers.

None of the ORER data gives me much to scale off of vertically except the inside height.  But at 17", I'm thinking it has a wood floor or maybe some sort of brackets or bracing to hold the containers.

What I really need is a pictures that shows one of the containers out of the car so I can see the bracing.

Thanks,

Jason


Re: Help with a SP box car

Brian Carlson
 

Geez. I’m not even home from cocoa beach yet. Lol. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 14, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

At CCB (Great event had a wonderful time) I purchased a mini-kit from 'National Scale Car' for a SP box car, series 83420-83739. Kit basics are doors, lower tracks and decals. The only photo of a SP car in the instructions was taken later in life with larger roadname stenciling and lowered placards. I want to model the car for the late 40s, so I need to know the placement of the placard and route card board on the Superior door. Also there are three lettering choices on the decal sheet. Large roadname, smaller roadname for between the stripes above and below the roadname and number, and just initials for above the numbers between the stripes. These cars were built in 11-40. Which option would be appropriate?  From what photos I have I'm leaning towards just initials. I really need a photo showing the doors tho...I've got it ready for paint except for the doors.
CW Propst


UTLX Dry Bulk Tank Car 81014

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

I also exploring the U of KY site, and found this very interesting UTLX triple-dome tank car, apparently converted to, or built new as, a dry bulk car. The photo is dated 1934. I've seen builder's photos of similar cars, but this is the first I've seen in an in-service photo, and the first of a UTLX car. 


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Help with a SP box car

Tony Thompson
 

Clark Propst wrote:

At CCB (Great event had a wonderful time) I purchased a mini-kit from 'National Scale Car' for a SP box car, series 83420-83739. Kit basics are doors, lower tracks and decals. The only photo of a SP car in the instructions was taken later in life with larger roadname stenciling and lowered placards. I want to model the car for the late 40s, so I need to know the placement of the placard and route card board on the Superior door. Also there are three lettering choices on the decal sheet. Large roadname, smaller roadname for between the stripes above and below the roadname and number, and just initials for above the numbers between the stripes. These cars were built in 11-40. Which option would be appropriate?  From what photos I have I'm leaning towards just initials. I really need a photo showing the doors tho...I've got it ready for paint except for the doors.

   Clark, I will send you a photo off-list. When built, they would have had just initials inside the stripes, but by the 1950s would have been repainted, doubtless with the spelled-out road name, adopted in 1946. So for the late '40s you can choose which you like. The cars were built with steel running boards, so you need to include that. I can tell which car numbers had which running boards, if you like.

Tony Thompson




Help with a SP box car

Clark Propst
 

At CCB (Great event had a wonderful time) I purchased a mini-kit from 'National Scale Car' for a SP box car, series 83420-83739. Kit basics are doors, lower tracks and decals. The only photo of a SP car in the instructions was taken later in life with larger roadname stenciling and lowered placards. I want to model the car for the late 40s, so I need to know the placement of the placard and route card board on the Superior door. Also there are three lettering choices on the decal sheet. Large roadname, smaller roadname for between the stripes above and below the roadname and number, and just initials for above the numbers between the stripes. These cars were built in 11-40. Which option would be appropriate?  From what photos I have I'm leaning towards just initials. I really need a photo showing the doors tho...I've got it ready for paint except for the doors.
CW Propst


Re: Caboose restrictions

Eric Hansmann
 

While passed in 1913, the Ohio caboose act did not take effect until July 1919. You can read the full text here.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Y5c4AAAAIAAJ&ppis=_e&lpg=PA720&ots=bFHAxmE73C&dq=1913%20ohio%20caboose%20law&pg=PA720#v=onepage&q=1913%20ohio%20caboose%20law&f=false

 

Section One outlines the main points of the Act.

 

>>> Except as otherwise provided in this act it shall be unlawful from and after the first day of July 1919 for any common carrier operating a railroad in whole or in part within this state or any manager or division superintendent thereof to require or permit the use upon such railroad within this state of any caboose car or car used for like purpose unless such caboose or other shall be at least twenty four feet in length exclusive platforms and equipped with two four wheel trucks suitable closets and cupola. <<<


Read the full Act through the link above. It’s not long.

 

As for a Federal law or ICC mandate, I’m unaware of any specifics. I was discussing this with Charlie Vlk at lunch yesterday. He had thought there was a Federal law but I haven’t had time to search for it. I do know the Western Maryland had 137 NE cabooses in the 1926 ORER, and all were 4-wheel bobbers. The WM didn’t get new cabooses until their 8wheel steel cars arrived in 1935.

 

Ed Bommer notes the B&O usage of their K-1 bobbers deep into the late steam era. The B&O lists 549 4-wheel cabooses in the 1926 ORER, a decent proportion of the overall 1286 cars. Bruce Smith noted the Pennsy use of the ND and NDa cabin cars.

 

I suspect the main issue was the wood centersills and underframes. Installing a steel centersill on the older 4-wheel cars assured a level of crew safety, but probably didn’t make the cars ride any better. As time went on, these bobbers were relegated to yard, branch, industrial switching duties, and MoW work away from the mainline trains.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Caboose restrictions

 

While not in your region of interest, the State of Ohio passed a caboose law in 1913 that affected every railroad  operating in or through that state.
It specified a caboose used in main line service in Ohio must have a frame length of at least 30' and ride on four-wheel trucks.

In compliance, B&O  designed and built their I-1 class cabooses in 1913, which also had steel underframes.
The better known B&O I-5 class caboose was a 1920's development of the I-1.
Cabooses not meeting Ohio requirements were moved to other locations and downgraded to branch or terminal service.

The earlier B&O K-1 class four-wheel cabooses built between 1878 and 1913 were 23' long overall with wood under-framing.
Several survived into the 1950' in terminal service with some getting replacement steel under-frames.
On the B&O the K-1 cabooses last worked to about 1953 on the B&O Chicago Terminal and the Staten Island Rapid Transit (B&O New York Terminal).
On the SIRT the K-1 class worked interstate freights between Cranford Jct. in New Jersey and the Arlington and St. George yards on Staten Island, from 1890 to 1953.
They were replaced by I-1 class cabooses built in 1913. The assigned K-1's were burned for scrap later in 1953.
C-587 seen here in 1940 at St. George, has a replacement steel underframe. 

The PRR in 1913 also had four wheel cabooses working in Ohio. These had longer underframes.
PRR converted some by putting pair of trucks under them in place of their two wheel sets.

Ed Bommer


Re: Caboose restrictions

al_brown03
 

The Morristown & Erie used an ex-Lackawanna bobber until 1950.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Caboose restrictions

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

With respect to the PRR, the NA, NB, NC and NE classes of bobber were all well less than 26’ in length. The ND class was exactly 26’ long. Several classes of bobbers were selected for rebuilding into the N6A and N6B classes of trucked cabin cars (steel under frame and wood structure), but these were all lengthened in the process. The ND was the only class where trucks were simply substituted under the car, and it was done a very limited number of cars, creating class NDA. The NDA cabins were exclusively operated on the Maryland Division of the PRR. Based on the Ohio law, the NDA would not have been legal, but the N6A and N6B were widely used there. The N6B class lasted for some time. Of note, in 1956, the PRR had more wood cabins in the N6B class than it had in all the steel cabin car classes combined!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 14, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Edward <edb8381@...> wrote:

While not in your region of interest, the State of Ohio passed a caboose law in 1913 that affected every railroad  operating in or through that state.
It specified a caboose used in main line service in Ohio must have a frame length of at least 30' and ride on four-wheel trucks.

In compliance, B&O  designed and built their I-1 class cabooses in 1913, which also had steel underframes.
The better known B&O I-5 class caboose was a 1920's development of the I-1.
Cabooses not meeting Ohio requirements were moved to other locations and downgraded to branch or terminal service.

The earlier B&O K-1 class four-wheel cabooses built between 1878 and 1913 were 23' long overall with wood under-framing.
Several survived into the 1950' in terminal service with some getting replacement steel under-frames.
On the B&O the K-1 cabooses last worked to about 1953 on the B&O Chicago Terminal and the Staten Island Rapid Transit (B&O New York Terminal).
On the SIRT the K-1 class worked interstate freights between Cranford Jct. in New Jersey and the Arlington and St. George yards on Staten Island, from 1890 to 1953.
They were replaced by I-1 class cabooses built in 1913. The assigned K-1's were burned for scrap later in 1953.
C-587 seen here in 1940 at St. George, has a replacement steel underframe. 

The PRR in 1913 also had four wheel cabooses working in Ohio. These had longer underframes.
PRR converted some by putting pair of trucks under them in place of their two wheel sets.

Ed Bommer <C587a.jpg>


Prototype Junction Steam Era Freight Car List Special

Randy Hammill
 

I had a great time on my first visit to Cocoa Beach! Thanks Mike and those who make it happen.

We are officially live and taking pledges for our project. We have a lot of information on our site and the IndieGoGo page where we are funding the project, but I thought I'd highlight a few things here.

The Cars
We are producing all of these cars in one run, which includes the availability of decorated and undecorated kits and parts. ETA for all models is early 2021. We don't have immediate plans for a second run, mostly because we want to do more new models. All cars will be produced in each major paint scheme they wore, and with K and AB brakes and other modifications as appropriate over the life of the cars.

  • ATSF (10 variations): Bx-11, -12, and -13 classes built 1929-1931, including the Bx-11 and -12 classes rebuilt with 8" and 12" extensions in 1941-1943, and the Bx-11, -12, and -13 classes rebuilt with steel sides starting in 1950.
  • C&O (2 variations): Ex-PM Tall Pratt truss single sheathed box and auto cars. This includes the original double door configuration, and the single door box car conversion.
  • CGW (1 variation): Tall Pratt truss single sheathed auto car.
  • L&N (1 variation): Tall Pratt truss single sheathed auto car.
  • PM (2 variations): Tall Pratt truss single sheathed box and auto cars. This includes the original double door configuration, and the single door box car conversion.
  • RI (1 variation): Tall Pratt truss single sheathed box car.

The RI, and the ATSF variations, excluding the steel side rebuilds, have been available in resin (Sunshine and Westerfied respectively). As far as we know, none of the other models have been available in plastic, resin, or brass.

These 17 prototypes were in service for a long time:
  • 4 classes in 1929 (Bx-11, CGW, L&N, and PM)
  • 7 in 1930 (Bx-12 and RI)
  • 8 in 1931 (Bx-13)
  • 9 in 1941 (PM box cars, Bx-11 with 8" roof)
  • 10 in 1942 (Bx-12 with 8" roof)
  • 12 by 1943 (Bx-11, -12 with 12" roof)
  • 15 by 1950 (C&O auto and box, and ATSF Bx-13 with steel sides)
  • All 17 variations on the road in the '60s. 
More than any other group, I think it's safe to say that most of the modelers here not only need these cars, but need more than one.

The Funding
The only way we are able to make these models is through crowd funding. When you make your pledge, we do not have access to the money, unless we fully fund the project. IndieGoGo will automatically refund your money if we don't meet our goal. Our funding goal covers the tooling and complete production run of the the models, eliminating one of the biggest challenges that manufacturers have - cash flow. This money is being raised solely for that purpose and we aren't taking a paycheck or any income until after the models are delivered.

Since this group is a primary resource and inspiration for our modeling, we've created a Secret Perk just for members. This is $160 for 4 cars, and a 20% discount. You can add more models, parts, etc. and you'll make your final selections before we go to production. In addition you'll get a 20% discount on anything you add. The 20% discount is already reflected in the price of the two cars (SRP is $50), although you can choose the equivalent in parts if you'd prefer. 

Steam Era Freight Car List Only special 20% off Perk

So join our community of Backers and feel free to contact me on (within the rules of the forum) and off list with any questions. Thanks!


Randy 

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com
https://igg.me/at/PrototypeJunction

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
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Re: Caboose restrictions

Edward
 

While not in your region of interest, the State of Ohio passed a caboose law in 1913 that affected every railroad  operating in or through that state.
It specified a caboose used in main line service in Ohio must have a frame length of at least 30' and ride on four-wheel trucks.

In compliance, B&O  designed and built their I-1 class cabooses in 1913, which also had steel underframes.
The better known B&O I-5 class caboose was a 1920's development of the I-1.
Cabooses not meeting Ohio requirements were moved to other locations and downgraded to branch or terminal service.

The earlier B&O K-1 class four-wheel cabooses built between 1878 and 1913 were 23' long overall with wood under-framing.
Several survived into the 1950' in terminal service with some getting replacement steel under-frames.
On the B&O the K-1 cabooses last worked to about 1953 on the B&O Chicago Terminal and the Staten Island Rapid Transit (B&O New York Terminal).
On the SIRT the K-1 class worked interstate freights between Cranford Jct. in New Jersey and the Arlington and St. George yards on Staten Island, from 1890 to 1953.
They were replaced by I-1 class cabooses built in 1913. The assigned K-1's were burned for scrap later in 1953.
C-587 seen here in 1940 at St. George, has a replacement steel underframe. 

The PRR in 1913 also had four wheel cabooses working in Ohio. These had longer underframes.
PRR converted some by putting pair of trucks under them in place of their two wheel sets.

Ed Bommer

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