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Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Tony Thompson
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

I happened to run across Tony Thompson's blog "Prototype Lettering, Part 2".

In comparing the figures that are presented as "AAR" vs. the CB&Q ARA ST'D
LETTER set originally drawn Chicago 10-05-09 and retraced 9-23-22 (on
account of the original tracings being destroyed in the Chicago HQ Fire in
1922) the SP M, C, B, 8, 7 and 2 are identical and must be the ARA original.
Note that the letters Tony presents below the AAR letters on graph grid,
while similar, are of different proportion.
For those who may not have seen it, I provide below a link to the blog post that Charlie cites in his message:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2019/12/prototype-lettering-part-2.html

The point of that blog post was to observe that the SP lettering, the letters shown below on the graph grid, were NOT at all the same as the MCB/ARA/AAR letters. The earliest MCB version I found in a Cyc was exactly the same as AAR letters 50 years later, as Charlie says.
Someone observed earlier that CB&Q mostly observed the AAR lettering but not entirely. I can't find that email to see if they identified which characters used by CB&Q differed.
I would also point out that although the MCB/ARA/AAR lettering is often described as "standard," it was never required, nor have I even found a mention of it being "recommended practice." Someone on the list may be able to provide such a citation.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
I happened to run across Tony Thompson's blog "Prototype Lettering, Part 2".

In comparing the figures that are presented as "AAR" vs. the CB&Q ARA ST'D
LETTER set originally drawn Chicago 10-05-09 and retraced 9-23-22 (on
account of the original tracings being destroyed in the Chicago HQ Fire in
1922) the SP M, C, B, 8, 7 and 2 are identical and must be the ARA original.
Note that the letters Tony presents below the AAR letters on graph grid,
while similar, are of different proportion.
Charlie Vlk


Re: grain dumper (was Staley Tank Cars)

mopacfirst
 

Not only was it repainted (sometime between 1949 and 1961), but the car also has had its wooden running board and laterals replaced with Morton.  This photo is the first documented evidence that this ever happened to one of these MP 1932 boxcars.

Ron Merrick


Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Clark Propst
 

What I remember from having some of these kits is there's a grab iron that's suppose to run across the end of the car, there are holes in the ends that need filling. This is for later versions without running boards done in the mid 60s.
Caboose Stop Hobbies in Cedar Falls Iowa has a bunch of these kits at reduced prices if anyone is interested.
CW Propst


Re: grain dumper (was Staley Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


A freshly repainted 1932 ARA design box car!


On 1/16/2020 1:27 AM, Robert J. Amsler, Jr. wrote:

 

I have attached a photograph of a MP boxcar being lifted and turned to clear it of grain.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: CNW "X" door trap cars

Charlie Vlk
 

John,
Thanks for adding this to the knowledge base.   I always thought the X cars were captive only between Proviso and Chicago.  I wonder if they extended to other major terminals such as the Twin Cities and Omaha?
Charlie Vlk


On Jan 18, 2020, at 8:55 AM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


We've discussed these cars in the past, but several of Jack Delano's photo captions at the Library of Congress add depth to the story.  I just hope that they did a good job of tying down the loaded hand carts.  A clear photo of the loading can be found here:  Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago and Northwestern Railroad runs a special service in these freight cars marked "X" between Chicago and Milwaukee. The cars are loaded with goods in proper order on these hand trucks. The cars are sent on to Milwaukee, tr




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


CNW "X" door trap cars

John Barry
 

We've discussed these cars in the past, but several of Jack Delano's photo captions at the Library of Congress add depth to the story.  I just hope that they did a good job of tying down the loaded hand carts.  A clear photo of the loading can be found here:  Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago and Northwestern Railroad runs a special service in these freight cars marked "X" between Chicago and Milwaukee. The cars are loaded with goods in proper order on these hand trucks. The cars are sent on to Milwaukee, tr




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

espee4441
 

The Skykomish River is by far the main water running tributary to the GN but as for Cascade Tunnel it's actually the Tye River which then obviously dumps into the south fork of the Sky. At Index is where the south and north forks combine with the mainline crossing the north right at Index itself. Spent way too many nights in the car at Scenic waiting for action to hit/exit the tunnel and listening to the Tye since it's the only thing besides critters that move there. 

Tony Pawley


Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Bill McCoy
 

Thanks Todd,

I haven't built cars in years and forgot the great resources this group has. I've never tried Google Images but am headed there now.

Bill


Re: Cocoa Beach 2020

Brian Carlson
 

Nice post. When was there cake? First I knew was in the blog.

Roberto’s was good. My first time and I’m on the bland side of eating usually. I throughly enjoyed it.

Brian J. Carlson

On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:

 I've just posted to my blog a short description of this year's Cocoa Beach meeting, as I experienced it. If you went, you may find it brings back a memory or two; if you didn't go, this might motivate you to attend next year! If you're interested, here's the link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2020/01/cocoa-beach-2020.html


Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com






: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Andy Carlson
 

I get my .....homishes mixed up. You are correct.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, January 17, 2020, 1:59:48 PM PST, Doug Polinder via Groups.Io <mikado3399@...> wrote:


Andy, might you be referring to Snoqualmie Falls?  I'm not aware of any falls on the Snohomish River.  The Snoqualmie and Skykomish rivers converge to form the Snohomish.  The Skykomish is known to steam-era freight-car enthusiasts, of course, as the Great Northern's west-slope Cascade Mountain access to Stevens Pass and the Cascade Tunnel.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA
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Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

The Steam Era Freight Cars website is your friend.  See the files for different 'species' of steel boxcars created by Ed Hawkins, Ted Culotta and others, specifically the files for 10' Postwar Boxcars for these GN cars.

I believe the Intermountain kit represents GN 10900-11874 and 18000-19499, all build at St. Cloud Shops in 1948-49.  Handbrakes were Ajax or Universal, running boards were Morton, Apex or Gypsum, depending on the car series (there were about 7 series), and I think the running boards were painted Mineral Red and the trucks and underframe were black when new.  The doors also varied by series.  There are lots of online photo sources: Fallen Flags and Google images are just two.  Using Google images will get you to other sites.

Todd Sullivan.


Cocoa Beach 2020

Tony Thompson
 

I've just posted to my blog a short description of this year's Cocoa Beach meeting, as I experienced it. If you went, you may find it brings back a memory or two; if you didn't go, this might motivate you to attend next year! If you're interested, here's the link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2020/01/cocoa-beach-2020.html


Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Chet
 

I had an interesting experience with this car.  I stopped a few times to look at the car when passing through Atlanta.  On one of these occasions, I stopped and noticed two men working on
the car.  They were drilling holes and putting grab irons on the left end of the side away from the elevator.  I noticed they had already put three grabs on the car and was beginning to drill holes for a fourth grab.  I quickly told them there should only be two grabs on that end.  They said it was a good thing I stopped as they were going to put them to the top of the side like the other end.  They said they would remove the third grab, but never did.  I also sent them a palnt and lettering blueprint for the car.   The photos appear to be of the car the first time it was painted.  Since then they have replaced the siding and repainted the car.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Doug Polinder
 

Andy, might you be referring to Snoqualmie Falls?  I'm not aware of any falls on the Snohomish River.  The Snoqualmie and Skykomish rivers converge to form the Snohomish.  The Skykomish is known to steam-era freight-car enthusiasts, of course, as the Great Northern's west-slope Cascade Mountain access to Stevens Pass and the Cascade Tunnel.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA


Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Bill McCoy
 

I picked up an old IMRC GN 12 panel boxcar kit (GN 18837, reweigh F-10-60). Some of the parts are pretty dated. There were no instructions and I have a few questions.
What hand brake was used on these cars?
What running boards were used? Was it painted or galvanized?
Were the trucks black or oxide red?
What was the underframe color?
Is there a online prototype photo source?

Thanks in advance for any help.
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


Re: Prototype Junction Steam Era Freight Car List Special

Randy Hammill
 

Thanks, Greg - 

We're just getting started but we need a lot more support. I'm happy to answer any questions, concerns, etc. regarding the project. There are enough folks here alone to make it happen, and while I don't expect everyone will order cars, these all fit this group's era unless you are modeling pre-1929.

I don't know everybody personally here, but I know quite a few folks, and you can visit my blog to get a better understanding of my personal approach to modeling, which is to be as accurate as possible across the board. We are also approaching this project with modelers in mind, which is why we'll have lots of neat parts in addition to decorated and undecorated kits available. All things I heard modelers ask for regularly when I was working on projects for True Line and other companies. Our answer is, "absolutely," But we can only say that if the modelers step up too!

Come see us in the Better Living Center in Springfield, 25-G.

Thanks again - 

Randy

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Andy Carlson
 

Around 2008 I was invited to look at the Snohomish hydro power plant. Built around the turn of the century with a penstock tunneled into the bedrock adjacent to the Snohomish Falls. The power turbines were at the base of the penstock tunnel and water exited into the lower Falls pond. The engineer who was kind to show the operation to me and a friend was justifiably proud that that the original wireing for the antique generator was still woven fabric cloth insulated. He was most proud, however, that an original light bulb over 100 years old was still lit 24/7. Mr Edison should be proud!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, January 17, 2020, 6:45:16 AM PST, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Steve,

........... When I visited the Safe Harbor Hydroelectric generating station (on the PRR’s Coukmbia and Port Deposit branch and next to the PRR’s A&S Low grade freight line) a few years ago at one of the PRRT&HS’ annual meetings, I was stunned to learn that the transformers were original to the 1930-1931 construction.
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Re: Interesting flat car loads circa 1931-32

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Those "loads" are permanently on the cars because they are used in wire train service to maintain the overhead catenary.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


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Sent: Fri, Jan 17, 2020 8:00 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting flat car loads circa 1931-32

From Steamtown/Erie-Lackawanna site today.  Images are too washed out to read reporting marks but the loads are very interesting.
 
 
Brian Rochon
Silver Spring, MD


Re: Prototype Junction Steam Era Freight Car List Special

greg snook
 

Randy,
This looks like a really interesting project, thank you for sharing.

Hopefully you are able to reach the funding goal, it would be nice, obviously, to see more cars produced!
Greg

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