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Photos of B&O M-8 box cars
Good Morning Fellow Shut-ins...
I am working on an overall history of the 21,000 class M-8 box cars built for the B&O, B&OSW, and P&W. The majority were built by Pullman as documented by Eric Neubauer. They were in service from 7-1896 to 1929 with original wood underframe. About 12,400 were rebuilt to steel center sills, M-8B, -8C, or underframe, M-8A, as well as US Safety Appliance Standards over 1912-1921. The last of these, #185901, M-8C, is listed in the 1-1940 B&O Summary of Equipment. These rebuilds were accomplished by the B&O and several commercial builders. It would be very helpful to me if some of you might share some photo scans and or point me to sources for same. Equipment diagrams indicate "iron roof". What did that look like? An additional 60 of M-8 dimensions were built as B&OSW 17700-17759 with double side doors over door openings of 10-0 and 10-8. What did these look like? They were renumbered to B&O 93000-93059 and rebuilt to steel center sills etc. as B&O 190600-190651. Some were also rebuilt to M-8B. Advance thanks for any help you can share with me, Eric Lombard At home in Homewood, IL
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
If anyone is interested, Q Connection has the remaining RP CYC 12's in stock for $12.95 plus shipping.
See www.QConnection.biz and click on Books & Pubs. Dave Lotz
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Mont Switzer
Bob,
We might want to chat off list about C.I.L. 1471 that appears in the photo. mswitzer@....
Mont
Montford L. Switzer President Switzer Tank Lines, Inc. Fall Creek Leasing, LLC. (765) 836-2914
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On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:31 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar" A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club: https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/ Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar. After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars." Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo? How many cars did the CB&Q modify? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
Bud Rindfleisch
Claus, Many thanks for the info and the off list scans. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Scott
Not to high jack this thread but the NYC had a very similar car to this one for B-29 production as well. If you have Amazon Prime Video search "B29 Bomber Films" and a short movie will pop up with that name. It has some excellent views of the car including the end door which has eluded many researchers.
Scott McDonald
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Re: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
As far as I Know it is still there. I will check the next time I go to Scottsbluff. There are also 2 in the eastern part of the state. Ravenna, maybe but I can't remember for sure.
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
mel perry
bud: OOPS mrr should read 11/97 :-( mel
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:41 PM mel perry via Groups.Io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
mel perry
bud: only drawng listed was in 2/91 rmc, mm had a couple of articles in 11/86 & 5/02, and rmc also had an article in 11/03, rmj in 8/03, and mrr 11/87 & 12/87
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:16 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote: Hello,
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Larry, Bud, and List Members,
How about having a look at “The Mather Boxcar Draft Horse of American
Boxcars” in RMC Feb 1991 pg 85 by Martin Lofton. Has photos and drawings.
Claus Schlund
From: lrkdbn via Groups.Io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Drawings for Mather Patent
boxcars There
was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date
but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article
with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather
stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the
steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the
stock car also.MLM for 11-1986 had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987. Hope this helps Larry King <lrkdbn@...>
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
Bob Webber
In the fwiw column, the Pullman library has haskell and barker drawings for Mather stock, auto, refrigerator, vegetable, and beef cars. I didn't see one for straight box, but it may well be there.
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On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:05 PM, "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <aol.com@groups.io target=_blank>lrkdbn=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
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Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
lrkdbn
There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987. Hope this helps Larry King <lrkdbn@...>
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
If you read the caption of the photo posted, you will learn it was built from a Sunshine kit.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 2:35 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Is this a scratchbuilt model, or a resin kit, or something else? It looks great!
Tod C Dwyer
On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 03:30:39 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar" A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club: https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/ Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar. After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars." Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo? How many cars did the CB&Q modify? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Andy Carlson
Maybe it is still there--20 years ago I was in Scotts Bluff NE. and adjacent to a small rail yard, a grain mill had an on-site storage structure which was a surviving CB&Q extended height box car still in Q paint. I seem to remember that it had evidence of being active into the 60's but I failed to take any pictures. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:02:47 PM PDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.
Nelson Moyer
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Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
Bud Rindfleisch
Hello,
Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps? Thanks in advance, Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"
Nelson Moyer
The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.
Nelson Moyer
On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:
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Re: AHM roof
Jack Mullen
The AHM roof does resemble a the flat-panel version of SRECO's steel roof. But the seam caps should extend to the edge of the roof.
Jack Mullen
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Re: RPM updates
mel perry
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:24 PM Mel Perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
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Re: RPM updates
mel perry
not to rain on anyoes parade, but consider what the chinese had to do, one they figured out what they were dealing with, quarentined a city.of millions, quarentined half a province, daily mandatory randon screening, and by some trump miracle, all if this is not going to transpire, according to the exalted one, this is going to get lot worse, before long, we don't even have enough test kits for the actual sick, this is not going to disappear overnight or in weeks, don't be surprised when it does get worse, and definitely don't make any plans for this year, mandatory quatentine is just around the corner mel perry
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:11 PM Dave Owens <daowens@...> wrote: In response to Tim's question,
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Re: RPM updates
Eric Hansmann
NERPM is still a go.
I just saw a Facebook post announcing the Western Prototype Modelers meet has been postponed.
I've been updated the RPM event calendar as these details are announced.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
On March 15, 2020 at 5:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: RPM updates
Dave Owens
In response to Tim's question,
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NERPM is still on for now. We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the advice of health and government officials. Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change. You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website: www.nerpm.org www.facebook.com/NERPM Dave Owens NERPM organizer West Hartford, Conn.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:
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