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Re: Crane ID Help

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:56 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
I have never seen one with the name cast into a part of the frame on the cab rear, though I'm sure someone will immediately produce such an image. 🙄
 
Ok, can do:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_wisconsin/15269835176
Actually I cheated a bit, since that's a post steam era Burro. Note the BURRO CRANE INC. identity, c. '70s-'80s. I just couldn't resist a C&NW one.

Lest you think the cast name is just a later development, how about this one, a fairly old Model 15, clearly from Cullen-Freistadt:

https://jamesmcgillis.com/upload/lg/15_Cullen_Friestedt_CNYCNRS_Burro_Model_15_lg.jpg

That site is worth a visit.   https://moablive.com/burrocrane/default.asp

One small correction, what were discussing isn't just a cast nameplate, the raised lettering is cast in the cast counterweight.

Jack Mullen


Re: Crane ID Help

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

John,

Yes, I considered that it might be a locally-built conversion. I think the crane was not self-powered, but it is hard to tell for sure from my photos. If it is a cludge, the underframe might be much older and originally had arch-bar or other early trucks, with the AAR trucks being changed during the conversion. Still, it does have a more modern brake wheel and stand, rather than an upright brake wheel and shaft. I wouldn't have expected that to change.

I've never heard of the Browning marque, though the cab styles are similar. The general cab design hints at WWII to early 1950s, in keeping with the military crane. The W&W crane has some vague lettering on the A-end of the sideframe which says "xxxx 52", but it is very hard to read, and might have nothing to do with its build date. The difference in the booms might have a lot to do with the crane's capacity and intended reach. Obviously a truck-mounted crane is likely to be a lighter machine that a railroad crane. Cranes were also sometimes re-boomed, or even had extra booms for different tasks.

It certainly IS NOT a Burro (at least the underframe isn't), though the cab does have some similarities. AFAIK, all Burro cranes had only four wheels (the largest were Models 40 and 50, and there are plenty of examples of these to compare with). All the Burro cranes I have seen that still had their marque, either had the name painted on, or it was on an enameled plate. I have never seen one with the name cast into a part of the frame on the cab rear, though I'm sure someone will immediately produce such an image. 🙄

Someday I will get back up to Gore to see if the crane is still there, and if so, ask permission to get close to it and also photograph the other side. I haven't been there for a number of years, and since they scrapped out their ALCOs the line has lost a lot of its appeal (one of their RS-11s was still working for the ADM elevator in Winchester just few years ago, but hard to photograph). Last week when I was in the Winchester area it was raining, so I dropped plans to drive over to Gore.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:38 AM mofwcaboose via Groups.Io <MOFWCABOOSE=AOL.COM@groups.io> wrote:
Still looking for a good picture of a crane definately identified as a Browning. The crane in the Flickr photo is a close but not exact match. The boom, in particular; note the large gusset at the lower end of the W&W crane boom, which is not present on the truck crane.

I have a suspicion  that the car under the W&W crane and the crane itself were once two seperate cranes. It could be that the original crane was a steam crane, probably purchased second-hand, and when it wore out, the crane was removed and this crane installed on the old frame. The resulting lash-up would not have been self propelled and have to be moved about by a locomotive.

John  C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help


What happened to the rear nameplate casting (in the ID photo, not this one)? Both Burros and Brownhoists had it.



On 1/7/2020 10:56 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830
One comment says the crane is a Browning .
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help
 
Friends,
 
Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.
 
Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob, Mel, and List Member,
 
I notice the paint on some of the vertical boards on the car side appear different from the rest - the boards that go through the letters LAC of LACKAWANNA on the car 12997 further from the camera. Are these boards that were replaced and repainted recently?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

and double doors, automobile carrier or
parts car?
mel perry

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 9:50 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

mel perry
 

and double doors, automobile carrier or
parts car?
mel perry

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 9:50 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Surplus Boxcar Program

Bob Chaparro
 

Surplus Boxcar Program

I was told by an old timer (he's two years older than me) that there was a government program after the First World War that enabled veterans who were farmers to purchase war surplus wooden box cars. The cost to the farmer was two dollars per car and the cars were delivered to each farm with no added cost.

I know the government assisted farmers with Butler Bins during the 1930s but I never heard about the boxcar program until now.

Does anyone know more about this?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Crane ID Help

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Still looking for a good picture of a crane definately identified as a Browning. The crane in the Flickr photo is a close but not exact match. The boom, in particular; note the large gusset at the lower end of the W&W crane boom, which is not present on the truck crane.

I have a suspicion  that the car under the W&W crane and the crane itself were once two seperate cranes. It could be that the original crane was a steam crane, probably purchased second-hand, and when it wore out, the crane was removed and this crane installed on the old frame. The resulting lash-up would not have been self propelled and have to be moved about by a locomotive.

John  C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help


What happened to the rear nameplate casting (in the ID photo, not this one)? Both Burros and Brownhoists had it.



On 1/7/2020 10:56 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830
One comment says the crane is a Browning .
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help
 
Friends,
 
Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.
 
Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ted;

My pleasure. How about looking at the G29?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Schnepf
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Hi Elden,

The general appearance is similar. The G34 seems to have tapering stakes, my car is straight stakes.

Thank you for writing the PRR gon book.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:18:54 PM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:


Gang;

The gondola certainly is an unloved, disparaged, forlorn freight car. That is why I decided to do a book on PRR's fleet!

The PRR G34 class was a 46'IL, 11 rib/12 panel straight sidesill, fixed Dread end, riveted gon, but a photo would help. Does it look like these?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:


Hello Everyone,


Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.


I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction.


I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.


In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered.


Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?


Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120




847=697-5353


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 3-3-3 ends

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 06:03 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
Were the details molded on?
On the Walthers automobile car kit? Yes, tack boards also.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Gondola identification

Jack Mullen
 

Ted, 
Have you looked at PRR G29 class?  True, IL is only 46', but it's 3'8" IH with 11 stake sides.

NYC also had 11 stake steel gons, but the ones I'm aware of, 324xxx series, are 50' IL and a foot taller.

Most steel, straight-side mill gons seem to have an odd number of panels. Could yours be a composite gon that's been resheathed with diagonal truss members removed? A number of roads had 12 panel composite gons with straight sills, including your Milwaukee, iirc.

It would *really* help to have a photo. There are many details that might cue recognition, or tend to support or reject a possible match. A few such as whether the centersill is straight or fishbelly;  end sills flush or projecting; spacing of stakes and their shape might be described, but it's a lot easier to recognize a picture of a face than a description.

Jack Mullen


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Elden,

The general appearance is similar.  The G34 seems to have tapering stakes, my car is straight stakes.

Thank you for writing the PRR gon book.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:18:54 PM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Gang;

The gondola certainly is an unloved, disparaged, forlorn freight car.  That is why I decided to do a book on PRR's fleet!

The PRR G34 class was a 46'IL, 11 rib/12 panel straight sidesill, fixed Dread end, riveted gon, but a photo would help.  Does it look like these?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:


    Hello Everyone,
   
   
    Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars.  Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.
   
   
    I want to ID a mill type gon.  Its inside  length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes.  The fixed ends are dreadnought.  The car is riveted construction.
   
   
    I started by looking at PRR books, but no match  (a G31D might be close).  Mr Kresse's  book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling.  Thought about a USRA  mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.
   
   
    In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered.
   
   
    Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?
   
   
    Ted Schnepf
    126 Will Scarlet,
    Elgin, Ill. 60120
   
   
   
   
    847=697-5353


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts





Re: Gondola identification

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the lead.  The O27 matches my car in appearance.  Only difference is 12 ribs versus 11 on the model.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 08:38:54 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars.  Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.

I want to ID a mill type gon.  Its inside  length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes.  The fixed ends are dreadnought.  The car is riveted construction.

I started by looking at PRR books, but no match  (a G31D might be close).  Mr Kresse's  book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling.  Thought about a USRA  mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.

In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. 

Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

The USRA 46'IL gons also had 12 ribs, not 11, IIRC.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:


Hello Everyone,


Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.


I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction.


I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.


In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered.


Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?


Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120




847=697-5353


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

The gondola certainly is an unloved, disparaged, forlorn freight car. That is why I decided to do a book on PRR's fleet!

The PRR G34 class was a 46'IL, 11 rib/12 panel straight sidesill, fixed Dread end, riveted gon, but a photo would help. Does it look like these?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:


Hello Everyone,


Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.


I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction.


I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.


In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered.


Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?


Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120




847=697-5353


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Crane ID Help

Tim O'Connor
 


What happened to the rear nameplate casting (in the ID photo, not this one)? Both Burros and Brownhoists had it.



On 1/7/2020 10:56 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830

One comment says the crane is a Browning .

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help

 

Friends,

 

Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.

 

Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 3-3-3 ends

Tim O'Connor
 



Ladders. I think so... can't find the kit right now.


On 1/7/2020 9:03 AM, Greg Martin via Groups.Io wrote:
Were the details molded on?

Greg Martin 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 1/7/20 5:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 3-3-3 ends


Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that
came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits?

Tim O'Connor

======================================

On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
All,
 
In my collection I have a mold/master that Richard Hendrickson had made of a 3-3-3 end for West Rails. I will dig it out and see the spec's on it, but it will have to be after Cocoa Beach.
 
 
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice.

Tom Madden
 

Attachments:



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Crane ID Help

Douglas Harding
 

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830

One comment says the crane is a Browning .

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help

 

Friends,

 

Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.

 

Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Gondola identification

Tim O'Connor
 


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars.  Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.

I want to ID a mill type gon.  Its inside  length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes.  The fixed ends are dreadnought.  The car is riveted construction.

I started by looking at PRR books, but no match  (a G31D might be close).  Mr Kresse's  book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling.  Thought about a USRA  mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.

In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. 

Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Crane ID Help

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I believe all Burro cranes only have two axles.  this crane has 4 axles. A guess would be Industrial Brownhoist.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 07:50:08 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:




Looks like a BURRO crane



Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.

Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

Attachments:




Re: 3-3-3 ends

Greg Martin
 

Were the details molded on?

Greg Martin 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 1/7/20 5:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 3-3-3 ends


Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that
came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits?

Tim O'Connor

======================================

On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
All,
 
In my collection I have a mold/master that Richard Hendrickson had made of a 3-3-3 end for West Rails. I will dig it out and see the spec's on it, but it will have to be after Cocoa Beach.
 
 
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice.

Tom Madden
 

Attachments:



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

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