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Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Guy Wilber
 

Chris Barkan wrote:

"I have some other questions about the car's design features.  It appears that the right-most stringer on the right side of the car (the side shown) is curved upward between two of the cross-ties near the door.  Does anyone know the explanation for this?"

I believe that the stringer has been bent upwards due to some sort of collision and is the emphasis for the photo.  

  
"Also, I assume that the four square external "pockets"  on either side of the doors are related to the automobile securement chains inside the car but would welcome any additional or alternative explanation."

The cast "pockets" added into the car side allowed  beams to be fitted across the width of the car, thus allowing a second floor to be added for "decking" automobiles.  This was an early experiment for expediting the "decking" process.  The pockets had nothing to do with securement chains.  The automobiles would have been secured to the floors with wood blocking along with wire, rope or any number of patented metal clips.  

There is a Railway Age article regarding the design of the car including the facilities for "decking".  I'll look it up and pass along the link. 

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada .   



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Re: Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

jstyron
 

 The Metcalf book on UP freightcars and the Morning Sun UP book each have a half dozen pages with good photos. 
-Jay Styron


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Chris Barkan
 

Hah hah, yeah I understood the literal meaning, "interpretation" was a poor choice of words on my part.  I was just asking if others agreed that that was what it said.  I have seen other variations of this sort of message and was just bringing it to the attention of others on the list.

I have some other questions about the car's design features.  It appears that the right-most stringer on the right side of the car (the side shown) is curved upward between two of the cross-ties near the door.  Does anyone know the explanation for this?  Also, I assume that the four square external "pockets"  on either side of the doors are related to the automobile securement chains inside the car but would welcome any additional or alternative explanation.

Thanks!
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Shifted lumber load on SP flat

Brian Stokes
 

An interesting detail of the wedges used to secure the tapered posts in the stake pockets. They look to be driven in from the bottom to compensate for the taper on the posts perhaps?
--
Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Bruce Smith
 

Chris,

Interpretation: The car was loaded from that side 😉

If you're asking why that should matter, it seems like this is probably a hint to unload from that side. Why they wouldn't just say that instead is a good question. Obviously, in loading the car, especially the center of the car, there is eventually bias in the loading with respect to the door. Perhaps this load doesn't require unloading from the side it was loaded from but knowledge of the loading bias would help in the process of unloading?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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I was curious what the label on the door said so I copied, enlarged, revised the perspective, and enhanced its contrast.  I think it says "Loaded on This Side".  Any other interpretations?
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Chris Barkan
 

Actually, I think it says "Loaded From This Side".
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Chris Barkan
 


I was curious what the label on the door said so I copied, enlarged, revised the perspective, and enhanced its contrast.  I think it says "Loaded on This Side".  Any other interpretations?
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

Dave Nelson
 

Yes, I have a copy.  It’s short and IIRC intended for the train crew.  I’m not sure I can put my hands on it right away but I’ll go poke around some.  Is there something in particular in it that you are looking  for?

 

Dave Nelson

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

 

Book On Union Pacific Livestock Cars?

Does anyone recall a book on this topic?

If not, can anyone suggest a book on UP freight cars that has good coverage of their livestock cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Andy Carlson
 

thanks Gary - it makes me think there is another reason to model earlier eras - 

Has increased meaning of the term "No two cars are alike". Standardization made it easier for us as modelers but did have an impact on variety.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Atlas Undec Meat Reefer For Sale or Trade

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have an Atlas 6101 undecorated meat reefer stock number 6101 (side ladders) for sale ($25 plus actual shipping) or trade for similar with grab iron ladders.

 

Please contact me, OFF LIST, at shile at mindspring dot com if interested.

 

Steve Hile

 

 


Re: Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Robert kirkham
 

thanks Gary - it makes me think there is another reason to model earlier eras - the numerous railways/roads that were later abandoned, bankrupted and merged would provide interesting modelling and research challenges.

Rob 

On Jun 20, 2021, at 12:23 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Eastern Railway of Minnesota.  Leased to GN in May of 1902 and purchased 5 years later.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

What was E.M.Ry. - stencilled on the GN boxcar?

Rob

On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)
A photo from the University of Wyoming:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: PFE reefers in context

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And Tony, while I want to get a copy of "The Book" I have not yet done so. Could you let on the approximate time when "PFE stopped washing cars?"

TIA

Schuyler

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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 5:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE reefers in context

Dan Smith wrote:
Interesting that this '50's era black and white paint scheme line up is still mostly wood sided cars.
Yes, the PFE book will show you data that as late as 1960, most cars were still wood-sheathed. I don’t know the date of this photo, but it is very obviously after PFE stopped washing cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

If anyone has the stenciling drawing for CGW alpha and numeric characters I would be happy to work up the lettering for both cars.

I don’t have any immediate project for them but a couple of friends might appreciate the artwork.

Thanks,
Charlie Vlk

(for some reason this was in my “drafts” folder and did not get sent.  Offer still stands!

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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

Here are two photos I have of 23000 series CGW boxcars. Very different P/L schemes.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.

 

Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..

 

By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.

 

Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.

 

Thanks!

 

-=- Bob Colquitt


Re: Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Dave Parker
 

I wish the image was sharper, but to my eye there is a mix of cars here that are and are not compliant with the Safety Appliance Act amendment of 1911.  Apparently it took a good many years to achieve full compliance in the national freight fleet, but I think 1912 to 1915 would be a good guess for this photo.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

gary laakso
 

Eastern Railway of Minnesota.  Leased to GN in May of 1902 and purchased 5 years later.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

What was E.M.Ry. - stencilled on the GN boxcar?

Rob

On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)
A photo from the University of Wyoming:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for the terrific image.
 
With respect to dates...
 
* Reweigh dates that are only vaguely discernable on the GN boxcar and the TP&W gon might read 00 - as in 1900
 
* One boxcar is lettered for Burlington, Cedar Rapids and Northern, which was absorbed in 1903 into the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railway
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

Photo: Wrecked Freight Cars (Undated)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~23~23~992579~208256?qvq=q:wreck&mi=123&trs=184

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Loads for stock cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Also add to the list: steel railroad wheels...
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Loads for stock cars

Add to the list:
Canned goods
Onions
Live poultry (in regular stock cars, not poultry cars)
Sand (in barrels)
Oil (in barrels)
Wagons (broken down)
Wagon wheels
Metal pipes
Metal sheets
(most of these are mentioned in my article on "unusual" stock car loads in the January 2021 issue of MRH)

Per the MCBA and ARA loading rules, stock cars could be treated the same as any other house car, and could be loaded with the same goods. So technically, anything conceivably loaded into a boxcar could also be loaded into a stock. And I'm sure that they were (there were a few stock cars with full-height end doors, allowing the loading of cars and trucks).


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:59:22 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Commodities Shipped In Livestock Cars

So far I have documented these commodities. I’m sure there were others.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

++++

Bricks

Cabbages

Coal - A lot of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII

Coke - Beehive Oven as late as WWII

Corn Cobs

Dunnage Bulkheads (For boxcars)

Firewood

Freight Car Wheels

Grain (with car lining)

Grain Doors

Hay

Ice - Some photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s

Lumber

Pipe - Clay

Potatoes - Bagged

Pulpwood

Railroad Ties - Treated and untreated

Rails

Sewer Lids

Sewer Pipe -Ceramic

Straw

Sugar Beets

Tile

Tires

Tomatoes

Watermelons


Re: HO ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent will release the 4 new 50-ton trucks that were part of our substantial investment in new PS-1 tooling later this summer.  Please stay tuned!

The trucks are 2 roller bearing and 2 friction bearing:

 

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton Barber S-2 Roller Bearing truck – with rotating “Timken” bearing caps!  Yes, this is a truck never-before available in HO scale!

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton ASF A-3 Ride Control Roller Bearing truck – with rotating “Timken” bearing caps!  Yes, this is a truck never-before available in HO scale!

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton Barber S-2 Plain Bearing truck

o   Tangent Scale Models 50-Ton ASF “Ride Control” Plain Bearing truck

Thank you for your patience,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models




Re: Loads for stock cars

Brent Greer
 

I have always had a fascination with end-door cars, but this is the first I've heard of stock cars with end doors that were functional  (I thought I had seen some converted cars of the UP with end doors that had been welded shut).   Can you share or point me to photos of some of these end-door stock cars?

Sincere thanks,
Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Loads for stock cars

Ray Breyer
 

Add to the list:
Canned goods
Onions
Live poultry (in regular stock cars, not poultry cars)
Sand (in barrels)
Oil (in barrels)
Wagons (broken down)
Wagon wheels
Metal pipes
Metal sheets
(most of these are mentioned in my article on "unusual" stock car loads in the January 2021 issue of MRH)

Per the MCBA and ARA loading rules, stock cars could be treated the same as any other house car, and could be loaded with the same goods. So technically, anything conceivably loaded into a boxcar could also be loaded into a stock. And I'm sure that they were (there were a few stock cars with full-height end doors, allowing the loading of cars and trucks).


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:59:22 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Commodities Shipped In Livestock Cars

So far I have documented these commodities. I’m sure there were others.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

++++

Bricks

Cabbages

Coal - A lot of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII

Coke - Beehive Oven as late as WWII

Corn Cobs

Dunnage Bulkheads (For boxcars)

Firewood

Freight Car Wheels

Grain (with car lining)

Grain Doors

Hay

Ice - Some photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s

Lumber

Pipe - Clay

Potatoes - Bagged

Pulpwood

Railroad Ties - Treated and untreated

Rails

Sewer Lids

Sewer Pipe -Ceramic

Straw

Sugar Beets

Tile

Tires

Tomatoes

Watermelons

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