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Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Nelson Moyer
 

For anyone stocking up on MEK, don’t leave it in the can you bought it in or it will evaporate long before you can use it all. I refilled my working bottle today, and the quart can was two thirds empty, and I had only used about three ounces since I bought it. I transferred the rest to glass bottles with tight fitting caps.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

I apologise, Tony - I forgot to include a smiley face in my previous post so that it would be obvious that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek.

Regards
Paul


Re: Magor Car Co drawings

lrkdbn
 

Thank you for the offer. I already have that kit
Larry King


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Eric Lombard
 

 Thanks for your phone detective work, Jim! I spotted some structural landmarks that are still in place today, their 1940’s, function long gone. The area at 22nd (Cermack Rd) as the track goes north to Union Station just before the crossing of the Chicago River looks pretty much the same. I believe Amtrak takes those rails now.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:18 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:
  Though I DID groan at the mention of Facebook,  however I like Chicago history and so looked at the link to the video which did open.


  Some Googling of the names on the warehouses and buildings gave the following data: 
The train appears to be on the Pennsylvania Railroad 

Opening - Building in background at 00:7 seconds is Cuneo Press, https://www.rpwrhs.org/w/index.php?title=Cuneo_Press   lists this at 22nd and Clinton near the Chicago river, so that is about where the video starts     https://www.flickr.com/photos/86125374@N00/2828020279    read comments on the link. 

At 31 seconds it looks like the photographer is between Cermak Road and the South Branch of the Chicago River. (21st Street?)  Google Maps lists this as PRR Bridge 463. 
Did you see the AT&SF Grand Canyon Line paint on the bridge?  As we cross the river that could be Canal street bridge opened. 


At 1:14 it appears that this is the CB&Q line from the west coming on. Note the two nicely ballasted tracks under the signal bridge.  How different it is today. 


At 1:28 into the video Crooks Warehouse, more here https://www.flickr.com/photos/52209513@N03/33910105995     and here   http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/bnsfcb-chicago-commuter-train-yard.html    Read the comment on second photo down by Bryan Howell , however the overriding gist is that we are looking at the Zephyr pit area by this time into video. 
Crooks Warehouse Terminal was listed as 14th Place which would put it, just north of the Q & PRR lines merging. 
Wish more of the Q engine facilities were visible at about 1:32 to 1:40, looking above the cars finds some notable markers. 

The presence of Pennsy cars is found by this link when Googling Crooks Warehouse Chicago  https://explore.chicagocollections.org/image/uic/59/0p0ww5w/

Where the video ends?  Not sure if that is the fabled Roosevelt Road overpass at the end. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick            St Paul, MN 


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Eric Lombard
 



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:18 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:
  Though I DID groan at the mention of Facebook,  however I like Chicago history and so looked at the link to the video which did open.


  Some Googling of the names on the warehouses and buildings gave the following data: 
The train appears to be on the Pennsylvania Railroad 

Opening - Building in background at 00:7 seconds is Cuneo Press, https://www.rpwrhs.org/w/index.php?title=Cuneo_Press   lists this at 22nd and Clinton near the Chicago river, so that is about where the video starts     https://www.flickr.com/photos/86125374@N00/2828020279    read comments on the link. 

At 31 seconds it looks like the photographer is between Cermak Road and the South Branch of the Chicago River. (21st Street?)  Google Maps lists this as PRR Bridge 463. 
Did you see the AT&SF Grand Canyon Line paint on the bridge?  As we cross the river that could be Canal street bridge opened. 


At 1:14 it appears that this is the CB&Q line from the west coming on. Note the two nicely ballasted tracks under the signal bridge.  How different it is today. 


At 1:28 into the video Crooks Warehouse, more here https://www.flickr.com/photos/52209513@N03/33910105995     and here   http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/bnsfcb-chicago-commuter-train-yard.html    Read the comment on second photo down by Bryan Howell , however the overriding gist is that we are looking at the Zephyr pit area by this time into video. 
Crooks Warehouse Terminal was listed as 14th Place which would put it, just north of the Q & PRR lines merging. 
Wish more of the Q engine facilities were visible at about 1:32 to 1:40, looking above the cars finds some notable markers. 

The presence of Pennsy cars is found by this link when Googling Crooks Warehouse Chicago  https://explore.chicagocollections.org/image/uic/59/0p0ww5w/

Where the video ends?  Not sure if that is the fabled Roosevelt Road overpass at the end. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick            St Paul, MN 


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

np328
 

  Though I DID groan at the mention of Facebook,  however I like Chicago history and so looked at the link to the video which did open.


  Some Googling of the names on the warehouses and buildings gave the following data: 
The train appears to be on the Pennsylvania Railroad 

Opening - Building in background at 00:7 seconds is Cuneo Press, https://www.rpwrhs.org/w/index.php?title=Cuneo_Press   lists this at 22nd and Clinton near the Chicago river, so that is about where the video starts     https://www.flickr.com/photos/86125374@N00/2828020279    read comments on the link. 

At 31 seconds it looks like the photographer is between Cermak Road and the South Branch of the Chicago River. (21st Street?)  Google Maps lists this as PRR Bridge 463. 
Did you see the AT&SF Grand Canyon Line paint on the bridge?  As we cross the river that could be Canal street bridge opened. 


At 1:14 it appears that this is the CB&Q line from the west coming on. Note the two nicely ballasted tracks under the signal bridge.  How different it is today. 


At 1:28 into the video Crooks Warehouse, more here https://www.flickr.com/photos/52209513@N03/33910105995     and here   http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/bnsfcb-chicago-commuter-train-yard.html    Read the comment on second photo down by Bryan Howell , however the overriding gist is that we are looking at the Zephyr pit area by this time into video. 
Crooks Warehouse Terminal was listed as 14th Place which would put it, just north of the Q & PRR lines merging. 
Wish more of the Q engine facilities were visible at about 1:32 to 1:40, looking above the cars finds some notable markers. 

The presence of Pennsy cars is found by this link when Googling Crooks Warehouse Chicago  https://explore.chicagocollections.org/image/uic/59/0p0ww5w/

Where the video ends?  Not sure if that is the fabled Roosevelt Road overpass at the end. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick            St Paul, MN 


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Jon Miller
 

On 8/22/2019 10:18 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
issues with a number of solvents in California are about air pollution

    This rumor of course but I was told all the big box stores (and then everyone else) quit carrying these was the fear of law suits.  MEK I understand can still be purchased in CA, it's just a matter of finding the place.  I don't  want a 55 gallon drum of it.

    Years ago I had to go to the bay (Newark), where all the warehouses are, to get a gallon of glycerin to pickle lichen.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Tim O'Connor
 


sides were shipped upright in gondolas, like Lee Turner's model


On 8/22/2019 9:53 AM, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io wrote:
Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car.

Rick Jesionowski


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Tim O'Connor
 


who says time travel is not possible?

open platform commuter cars behind steam - them were the days!


On 8/22/2019 1:21 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
I do not belong to FB, but I could see it as this appears to be a public site.  Some good Burlington and HW Pullmans as well, pass by quickly.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Forgotten Chicago

For those of you who have Facebook (Yes, I hear your groans of disapproval) here is a short film shot from a train passing through Chicago's rail yards and industrial areas in the 1940s:

https://www.facebook.com/Charingx/videos/10155451305567465/

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This is obviously shot along the CB&Q, as most of the equipment is theirs (I did note a PRR round-roof boxcar). The buildings seem vaguely familiar from my trips on Amtrak into or out of Union Station--some I think some of the structures still standing, though nearly all are empty.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

 

On 8/22/2019 1:25 PM, Scott wrote:
Cool video,  so many neat modeling ideas in there.

Scott McDonald


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:38 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?
 
The bearings seat against a loose piece in the box called the journal bearing wedge. These may well be machined, but only fit against locating bosses in the box.

Dennis Storzek


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:08 AM, Richard Wilkens wrote:
The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.
Those are rather large diameter and require little precision. I suspect they are cored in the casting.

Dennis Storzek


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Gene Deimling
 

MEK is part a long list of things we are not able to use such as straws. It is only a matter of time before Tru-Color paints will declared illegal.

Gene Deimling


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Scott
 

Cool video,  so many neat modeling ideas in there.

Scott McDonald


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I do not belong to FB, but I could see it as this appears to be a public site.  Some good Burlington and HW Pullmans as well, pass by quickly.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Forgotten Chicago

For those of you who have Facebook (Yes, I hear your groans of disapproval) here is a short film shot from a train passing through Chicago's rail yards and industrial areas in the 1940s:

https://www.facebook.com/Charingx/videos/10155451305567465/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Woods wrote:

You are quite correct, Jon - neither Toluene nor MEK are regarded as being carcinogenic (except in California, where apparently EVERYTHING is)  . . .

    Please stop these uninformed and foolish remarks. The issues with a number of solvents in California are about air pollution, not cancer per se. California's Proposition 65 does require "cancer danger" notices for a great many substances (all of which, incidentally, ARE proven carcinogens), but that's a different story.


Tony Thompson
Berkeley, CA




Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Jon Miller
 

On 8/22/2019 9:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
Forgotten Chicago

    Interesting in the amount of old/older cars one see's in the video.  Too bad it couldn't be slowed down or maybe it's just my old eyes.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Video: Forgotten Chicago

Bob Chaparro
 

Forgotten Chicago

For those of you who have Facebook (Yes, I hear your groans of disapproval) here is a short film shot from a train passing through Chicago's rail yards and industrial areas in the 1940s:

https://www.facebook.com/Charingx/videos/10155451305567465/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:

The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.

Rich Wilkens


Re: [PassengerCarList] Pullman & A/C

Steve and Barb Hile
 

As more than an interested bystander I want to say how useful I think that
these "work in process" web pages are chock full of good information.

This is not a flashy web site, but rather a raw data glimpse at the work
that Bob and the team at the Pullman Library are doing with the mountain of
data available to us. The collection of drawings, specifications, etc. is
truly remarkable.

We are there on Wednesdays for volunteer work, but you can contact us
anytime by email inquiry. See http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/pullcon.htm

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: PassengerCarList@groups.io [mailto:PassengerCarList@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bob Webber
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:57 PM
To: PassengerCarList-groups.io
Subject: [PassengerCarList] Pullman & A/C

First an update - if you go to:
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm
and scroll to the middle (after the outline) ; there is a new link to "am
ore complete outline" - this will be a work in progress - some companies
are missing (like BC&F).

A/C. I am in the midst of scanning the A/C Lot Drawing Lists - that we have
(that is, P-S Lots & Drawing Lists). There are 30-40 of them. Some are for
Pullman Co. cars, some are for individual railroad's cars. Those Pullman
Co. cars are cars specifically assigned specific railroads.

Through the ears, we have received a lot of (A/C - related) requests
- most of which we simply can't fulfill.

It is important to note the differences between cars modified at Pullman Co.
shops (i.e. Buffalo, Calumet, Wilmington (and railroad shops such as
Topeka)) and those modified by P-S shops (i.e. PCW,
Worcester, etc.). The differences are many, but for this note, the
main ones involve documentation. The documentation for the Pullman Co. cars
- if it exists is at the Newberry (check M.O. J.O., C.O.
registers & lists). The documentation for the P-S mods are, for the most
part, at the Pullman Library.

These drawing lists tell us a great deal - they typically give us the before
& after Plan and the changes thereto. One drawing that I tend to scan
whenever I see it is a " Equipment Changes" drawing that references the "Old
Equipment Drawing" . This new drawing has only appliances and other parts
that were moved, replaced and/or added when a given car was modified.

*NOT* usually found: Names and/or numbers! They say how many cars are from
one (old) Lot and how many from others. I usually have them, but it is
frustrating not to see them in these Lists.

And remember - these are only railroad or assigned to specific railroad cars
- completed in P-S shops. So UP diners, coaches and obs. Yes. Standard
3410, no. 3410 assigned C&O - yes. SBD deniers Yes. C&O coaches, yes.
Pullmans assigned to the LV and Erie? yes. Santa Fe assigned cars, no.
MILW cars? No.

Some other changes - from here:
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/
the collections information has changed (and is being updated)

And...some wording must be modified - I've started to get hate mail from
both - well, all - sides of a certain political battle - seems that when the
topic on the top of the page is entered, other things are expected. reminds
me of 15-20 years ago when I started searching for certain large scale
equipment and went down many strange rabbit holes...LGB meant something
entirely different to me....

Bob Webber