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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Richard Wilkens
 

The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.

Rich Wilkens


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Do we have the source of this image to get a better copy?


Al Kresse

On August 22, 2019 at 10:04 AM Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:

Here are the YSD in gondola, I'm sorry I don't recall the source of the photo.
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Matt Smith
 

I was at my local Home Depot in Bloomington, IL and they had all the MEK on clearance and had MEK substitute fully stocked.  I bought 3 quarts at $6 a piece, should last me til retirement. MEK may not be "banned" but it does appear it is on its way out. Keep your eyes out if it goes on clearance!
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Matt Smith
 

Here are the YSD in gondola, I'm sorry I don't recall the source of the photo.
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Rick Jesionowski
 

Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

You are quite correct, Jon - neither Toluene nor MEK are regarded as being carcinogenic (except in California, where apparently EVERYTHING is) and the effects on the nervous system are reversible to a certain extent, unless exposure is very high & prolonged.  I think the quantities that we use building a typical model are of no concern at all if we are exercising common sense with respect to ventilation.

Regards
Paul W.

Whangarei, NZ
NYCSHS #7172


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

David Jobe, Sr.
 

AFAIK, ASF had no foundries in Chicago only the corporate office, at least
by1973 after this list. Side frames and bolsters would have come from East
St. Louis, Illinois until it was closed in 1959, Granite City, Illinois or
Alliance, Ohio. Springs most likely came from Hammond, Indiana which also
produced some forgings. Indiana Harbor, Indiana supplied smaller castings
like couplers. There were three or four other works including Sharon,
Pennsylvania, but I don't have my references readily available. Their
foundry mark was an octagon circumscribing the letter for the works.
Octagon E, G, A, H, I, etc.

The only "machining" I recall, for certain, was grinding of various parting
lines or vent risers.

Hope That Helps,

David Jobe, Sr.
Saint Ann, Missouri

ASF - Granite City Works 1973-1976
ASF - Hammond Works 1976-1977

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] what to do with all those leftover freight car
trucks?

Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago.

BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and
the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can
do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not
later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the
P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would
reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there).

http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm

And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The
plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co.
was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934,
P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc.
(and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934
(for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars.



At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundry
where these loads originated? I'm modeling part of Pullman's
Michigan City plant and I'm trying to run down loads of parts into
Pullman, and how they were routed.

One if the loads of supplies I've tracked down is boxcar doors from
Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio
and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on
NKP's Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the
Monon for final delivery to Pullman.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
Bob Webber


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Jon Miller
 

On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Paul Woods wrote:
Next try was a lacquer thinner made by an Australian company 'Digger's', and Hooo-lyyyy smokes!  Does that stuff ever work well!  Upon consulting the materials safety data sheet, turns out it is mostly toluene (65%) with a generous dash of MEK (25%) and a bit of naphtha....so not only does it work really well but it will make you very, very ill - not regarded as strongly carcinogenic

    What's really strange is that MEK is not as bad as any of these replacement chemicals but it's the one we can't easily get.  Stupid if you ask me but them no one did.:-D

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: LCL Cement Gondola Container Article

Matthew Metoyer
 

Google (Chrome) has the option to translate, and it did it reasonably well.

Matthew Metoyer
Santa Maria CA

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:20 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

LCL Cement Gondola Container Article

Pardon my French...but most of this article, with many photos, is written in French. Enjoy the photos:

http://teamtrack.soforums.com/t74-LCL-CONTAINERS-ON-GONDOLA.htm

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA (Near Perris, CA)


LCL Cement Gondola Container Article

Bob Chaparro
 

LCL Cement Gondola Container Article

Pardon my French...but most of this article, with many photos, is written in French. Enjoy the photos:

http://teamtrack.soforums.com/t74-LCL-CONTAINERS-ON-GONDOLA.htm

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA (Near Perris, CA)


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

When my LHS stopped stocking MEK because it was, in his words "Too expensive with all the special chemical courier fees to get it delivered", I used my chemistry knowledge left over from my engineering school days to locate a suitable replacement among the various volatile solvents at my local hardware store.  ADOS Solvent N seemed like a good place to start but it turned out to be quite 'weak' at dissolving styrene.  Next try was a lacquer thinner made by an Australian company 'Digger's', and Hooo-lyyyy smokes!  Does that stuff ever work well!  Upon consulting the materials safety data sheet, turns out it is mostly toluene (65%) with a generous dash of MEK (25%) and a bit of naphtha....so not only does it work really well but it will make you very, very ill - not regarded as strongly carcinogenic but the effects on the human nervous system will make model building very difficult (memory impairment, ataxia, tremors, to name a few....the list is long!).

I'm sure most of us are well aware of the dangers of working with chemicals, but for anyone reading this who is new to the game, be safe and use with plenty of ventilation; our aim should be to live long enough to enjoy actually running our models.

Regards
Paul W.

Whangarei, NZ

p.s. I went back to my LHS owner and told him how effective lacquer thinner is as a styrene cement - this was two years ago, and he hasn't done anything with that knowledge despite lots of modelers complaining about not being able to buy liquid cement.  I just don't get it, because this is one of the few hobby shops I have encountered in NZ that makes an effort to stock the full Evergreen styrene range....however the styrene is not much use if you can't find something to glue it together with!


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Bob Webber
 

Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago.

BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there).

http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm

And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co. was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934, P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc. (and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934 (for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars.



At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundry where these loads originated? I'm modeling part of Pullman's Michigan City plant and I'm trying to run down loads of parts into Pullman, and how they were routed.

One if the loads of supplies I've tracked down is boxcar doors from Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on NKP's Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the Monon for final delivery to Pullman.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
Bob Webber


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Seth Lakin
 

Now the question is where was ASF’s and/or Bettendorf’s foundry where these loads originated? I’m modeling part of Pullman’s Michigan City plant and I’m trying to run down loads of parts into Pullman, and how they were routed. 

One if the loads of supplies I’ve tracked down is boxcar doors from Youngstown Steel Door. They went west on the AC&Y to Delphos, Ohio and to the NKP. From there it was to Tipton Indiana and north on NKP’s Indianapolis branch to Michigan City and interchange to the Monon for final delivery to Pullman. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Nolan,

I don't see where "the web was cut away".  I see shadow.

The cross-section of the assembly does not appear to me to be rail based:  the base of the "rail" is too wide for its height, the head of the rail is way too shallow for its width.

I DO find interesting that the part below the car side was flame-cut, and that there are two empty holes showing.  And also that I don't find evidence of such holes in the other big-ribs.  And that there doesn't seem to be much of any cross-connection of the "hanging" part of those ribs by a cross-member under the car.

'Tis an interesting puzzle.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: LCL Container Questions

spsalso
 

In answer to your first question:

"ferro-chrome" and "ferro-silicon", as mentioned in message # 166365, from two days ago.  There are likely other items, loosely grouped under "minerals".


Ed

Edward Sutorik


LCL Container Questions

Bob Chaparro
 

Two questions:

Besides coke, cement and calcium carbide, what other bulk commodities typically were shipped in LCL containers?

What were the prime years for LCL container shipments?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 09:10 AM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
Question: I assume these side frames are the raw castings. What if any areas and surfaces were machined before they became part of a functioning truck?
 I don't believe there is any machining on freight car trucks.   Clearances are figured so they can be used as cast. Same with Type E couplers.

Dennis Storzek


Time's fun when you have flies (was what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?)

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Aug 20, 2019, at 23:15, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:

Tom Swift has been posting wonderful pictures on Facebook of the CB&Q Havelock shops
in 1948. This one today shows a very interesting MP GS gondola being unloaded and a
wide area shot showing lots of interesting freight car stuff.
That’s an impressive pair of shots. I can envision cooking up a master for casting a load of truck frames on a rapid prototyper of some sort, and emitting trainloads of loads from any resulting molds. An extension would be to have a vriety of truck types at hand, for different eras.

There was a time in my early adulthood when I might have attempted modeling the scene in the second photo; building the loads of loads would have benefitted from the idea above. I’m much better now.

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Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Aug 21, 2019, at 09:20, spsalso via Groups.Io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Tim,

I don't think the "...reinforced ribs are just that...".

I think they are replacement ribs. I think they removed the originals, and riveted the bigger better ones on, using mostly the same holes.
The rib in the close-up photos upthread looked a whole lot like a piece of rail to me, especially at the bottom end where the web was cut away. Anybody got a definitive statement (with citation) on the perpetration of these things?

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Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Tim,

I don't think the "...reinforced ribs are just that...".

I think they are replacement ribs.  I think they removed the originals, and riveted the bigger better ones on, using mostly the same holes.

Note that the thickness of the sheet metal for the stamped rib is 3-4 times thicker than that of the adjacent rib.  And, of course, there's the addition of the bar stock over the new stamping.  I wonder if that happened when the replacement rib(s) was installed, or later.

Unless some kind soul offers these replacement ribs, I believe my modeling approach will be to assume the new ribs were added sometime after the cars were put into container service.  Though it would be Way-Kuul to model the car I photographed.  It also shows up in Thompson's book, so it's very popular.

The big-ribs weren't just added to the container gons.  One of the photos is of GN 72641--not in the special series.

When the big-ribs were added is kinda up in the air.  So I'll likely paint mine in "regular" GN (instead of the Big Sky black scheme) and run them in 1960.

And, yes, it would be great if the Sunshine kits "reappeared".  The prototype for the model was owned by GN, NP and SP&S.

Ed

Edward Sutorik