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Re: Running board question

Tony Higgins
 

All Apex according to RP CYC roster.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...>
wrote:
<snip>

Have not found running board info on the 2525-2549 (not renumbered)
express box cars.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Running board question



In RP Cyc Vol 8, there's an excellent article about 10'-0" IH
postwar
cars with a detailed roster including the GN cars. With few
exceptions, GN used Morton, Gypsum and Apex RBs on all series of
these cars, so, take your pick! There's a picture of 18368 with
what
appears to be an Apex RB. Author Ed Hawkins lists "Great Northern
40'
Steel Box Cars" GNRHS Ref Sheet #61 as a reference. -you may find
more specific info there.

-Tony Higgins

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@> wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a GN
12
> panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Sugerman,
> Ft Worth, TX
>





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Re: caboose ladders

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

AMB does laser cut plywood stiles for various ladders in their Caboose kits.
Usually includeextra parts. I know I now have a box of extra M&StL style
ladders I have assembled, which are very nice looking ladders. You might
seek someone who has some extra ladders that match the style you are looking
for.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: caboose ladders

Rob & Bev Manley
 

There are caboose ladders on one of the Central Valley detail Sprues that I think is called "fences and ladders". It even has the top hoop similar to a CB&Q style ladder.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: John F. Cizmar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] caboose ladders


Guys,
I'd be interested to have a look at the Taurus items as well. My AMB NKP 1000 series project is stalled due to my limited fabricating skills. I've had moderate success drilling some brass flat stock for the ladders. One the stiles took me 11/2 hours to drill. The result is disapointing as I need to make (3) more.
John Cizmar
Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Dean

I did some Taurus Products ladders on some cabooses for the Chesapeake & Lake Erie. I can take a
picture of them tomorrow night, and send it to you. Walthers' listing for this is not illustrated.
It is a fairly nice etching, but I believe it's round at the top, not the 45 degree angles you
mention.

Are they flat in both the vertical stiles and the 45 degree part? Got a link to a picture?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Dean Payne
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:11 PM
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [STMFC] caboose ladders
>
> I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
> Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are
> too crude
> for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't
> curve over
> the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
> prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
> enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
> sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
> obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
> higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
> what ladder they use?
>
> Dean Payne
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Decals for Helium tank cars.

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Hello Mr. Michels,

I have several. The one I want to decal now is an HO scale Roco
(Austria). (The others are still packed away after my move from Los
Angeles to Eugene, OR.)

Hope you can help,

Peter
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What model would you use decals on?

Jerry Michels

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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

al_brown03
 

Kaminski's tank car book, p147, shows a builder's photo of ILX 616, a
6000-gallon, ICC 103-W tank built in 1953. The car was uninsulated
but had heater coils, is said to belong to the Thomas E. Snyder Sons
Company, and advertises its lading as "SWEET PURE MOLASSES". The ILX
reporting mark belonged, per the 1/53 ORER, to the Inland Molasses
Company, with home points of Chicago, Ill.; East Chicago, Ind.; East
St. Louis, Ill.; Goodhope, La.; Hubbard, O.; Kansas City, Mo.;
Longview, Tex.; and Sharon, Pa. Inland Molasses had both 6000 and
8000 gallon cars, all ICC 103-W.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "bill_d_goat" <billdgoat@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "matthewjstrickland"
<matthewjstrickland@> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me which type of tank cars were used to transport
molasses to and from refineries in Louisana in the 1950s?

Were any specific road names used eg UTLX , GATX, Sid Richardson?

Thanks in advance for your help

MATT
Dear Matt
I have two tankcars decaled for the "Williams Molasses Co". of New
Orleans. My name is Williams and I live in the N.O. area so I had
to
get these decals when I saw them in the Champ catalog years ago.
The
one I have in front of me is lettered HTCX 630. This is a good
number
for the Harbor Tank Line Company of Chicago listed in my 1943 ORER.
(by the '50s, I don't know)I am "assuming" that Champ did their
research properly!
A mutual friend of mine and Andy Sperandeo has a model tankcar on
his
layout lettered with decals sent to him by Andy for another New
Orleans molasses company. I think that the name was Richardson but
couldn't swear to it. Andy, do you remember? I'll forward your
message to my friend and ask him to check his car and contact you.
Bill Williams


Re: Running board question

Matt S.
 

GN 18455 & 18485...

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@...> wrote:

Matt,

Exactly what number series are you interested in?

Russ


Re: Running board question

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Staffan,

I have noticed that they have two versions of wood running boards,
either 18.5" wide or 20" wide, the difference being whether they
use 5.5" or 6" boards.

A question: They show the 36' stock cars having steel rods with
large washers and nuts running vertical along each vertical side
post from the side sill to the eaves. It is difficult to see the
exact placement. Were these in grooves in the side post or did
they run right along it on the side facing the center door?

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Staffan Ehnbom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 02 November, 2005 17:24
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Running board question


The original GN diagrams specified several makes of running
boards for each series of 10'0 twelve panel steel cars, perhaps a
reflection of the shortage of parts right after the second WW.

10900-11374 IH 10'0 3712 cu ft Morton, Apex, Gypsum
11375-11874 IH 10'0 3712 cu ft Morton, Apex, Gypsum
18000-18499 IH 10'0 3712 cu ft Morton, Apex
18500-19499 IH 10'2 3769 cu ft Morton, Apex, Gypsum
19500-20499 IH 10'2 3769 cu ft Apex, Kerrigan

Have not found running board info on the 2525-2549 (not
renumbered) express box cars.

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

bill_d_goat
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "matthewjstrickland"
<matthewjstrickland@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me which type of tank cars were used to transport
molasses to and from refineries in Louisana in the 1950s?

Were any specific road names used eg UTLX , GATX, Sid Richardson?

Thanks in advance for your help

MATT
Dear Matt
I have two tankcars decaled for the "Williams Molasses Co". of New
Orleans. My name is Williams and I live in the N.O. area so I had to
get these decals when I saw them in the Champ catalog years ago. The
one I have in front of me is lettered HTCX 630. This is a good number
for the Harbor Tank Line Company of Chicago listed in my 1943 ORER.
(by the '50s, I don't know)I am "assuming" that Champ did their
research properly!
A mutual friend of mine and Andy Sperandeo has a model tankcar on his
layout lettered with decals sent to him by Andy for another New
Orleans molasses company. I think that the name was Richardson but
couldn't swear to it. Andy, do you remember? I'll forward your
message to my friend and ask him to check his car and contact you.
Bill Williams


Two New SFRH&MS Publications--Mechanical Refrigerators & Steam Loco Painting, Lettering & Detail Guide

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

One new STMFC-era book, and one "related" topic (hopefully, Mike won't put
me in moderate jail.)



The Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society is pleased to announce
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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Richard Townsend
 

Wayne Wesolowski had an article on scratchbuilding a truss-sided "sugar tank car" in the March 1982 RMC.  It definitely would have been an industry-owned car rather than one owned by a railroad.  The truss sides make it a very eye-catching car.  Don't know if it was for molasses or liquid sugar as I am at work and don't have the article here.


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Lincoln City, Oregon



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molasses

ed_mines
 

Molasses is a by product of sugar manufacture and was used for animal
feed and to manufacture ethanol (grain alcohol).

Although it's used in cookies which are tolerable apparently refined
white sugar tastes much better. I had a friend who grew up in Hungry
during WWII where white sugar was unavailable. He hated the taste of
molasses.

I don't know about animal feed but it could definitely be transported
in general service tank cars for the later application where
contamination wouldn't be a problem. Since it doesn't pour too well
("slow as molasses") I think heated tank cars would be prefered.

One caveat, molasses suposedly dissolves rust.

I recall John LaRue has 2 or 3 negatives of STMFCs owned or leased by
molasses companies.

Ed


GN Hand Brakes

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

So far I have found this:

GN drawing 28942, dated 22-Mar-43 specifies:

"XL" Vertical Wheel Hand Brake, Unit W-2000, from
Universal Railway Devices, Chicago IL.

Following car series:

GN 92500-92999
GN 86500-86999 retrofit AFE 65177 493 cars.
GN 87000-87999 retrofit AFE 65178 936 cars.
GN 93000-93499
GN 44400-44699
GN 44025-44399
GN 2500-2524
GN 10600-10899
GN 10000-10399
GN 11100-11199
GN 11300-11374
GN 2525-2549
GN 11375-11874
Unspecified 500 box cars on AFE 76685.

Russ


Re: caboose ladders

jerryglow2
 

Being an etched metal product, it is very thin and delicate. I used one
once but would not do so again, opting for something more substantial.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John F. Cizmar" <jfcizmar1966@...> wrote:

Guys,
I'd be interested to have a look at the Taurus items as well. My
AMB NKP 1000 series project is stalled due to my limited fabricating
skills. I've had moderate success drilling some brass flat stock for
the ladders. One the stiles took me 11/2 hours to drill. The result
is disapointing as I need to make (3) more.
John Cizmar


Re: caboose ladders

John F. Cizmar
 

Guys,
I'd be interested to have a look at the Taurus items as well. My AMB NKP 1000 series project is stalled due to my limited fabricating skills. I've had moderate success drilling some brass flat stock for the ladders. One the stiles took me 11/2 hours to drill. The result is disapointing as I need to make (3) more.
John Cizmar
Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Dean

I did some Taurus Products ladders on some cabooses for the Chesapeake & Lake Erie. I can take a
picture of them tomorrow night, and send it to you. Walthers' listing for this is not illustrated.
It is a fairly nice etching, but I believe it's round at the top, not the 45 degree angles you
mention.

Are they flat in both the vertical stiles and the 45 degree part? Got a link to a picture?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dean Payne
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] caboose ladders

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are
too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't
curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne









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Re: representing cast steel

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Is there a sense of the scale of the finish roughness with this product?

SGL
That brings up an interesting point. The biggest challenge, to my
mind, in modeling steel castings in HO scale isn't roughness; it's
smoothness. A couple coats of paint mopped on over the years long ago
covered any surface roughness. The distinctive thing about castings is
their smooth, rounded forms; all outside corners are slightly rounded,
and all inside corners have fillets. Often times the fillets have
multiple little gussets worked into them.

Note the details in the image in the link.

http://www.irm.org/gallery/AMOX9499/aaf

The plate and bar stock items all have square edges and sharp corners.
The castings, such as the poling pockets, have radii everywhere. The
structural steel is somewhere in between, as it has fillets in the
inside corners. As to surface finish, it all looks the same.

Dennis


Re: caboose ladders

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Payne" <deanpayne@...> wrote:

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne
You might look at both the CalScale and Precision Scale lines for tall
tender ladders in brass. These are typically flat bar stock stiles
with round rungs, and should be able to be bent to the angle you need
and cut to length. They'd be plenty sturdy.

These might work:

http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/585-31323

Dennis


Re: Decals for Helium tank cars.

asychis@...
 

What model would you use decals on?

Jerry Michels



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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Matt, here is a link to a photo of a 1960 molasses car at the Illinois
Railroad Museum www.irm.org/railwire/rw185/rw185a6.html

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: caboose ladders

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

TCS provides wire that is fabricated into ladders wither by gluing of
soldering.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: caboose ladders

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hi Dean

I did some Taurus Products ladders on some cabooses for the Chesapeake & Lake Erie. I can take a
picture of them tomorrow night, and send it to you. Walthers' listing for this is not illustrated.
It is a fairly nice etching, but I believe it's round at the top, not the 45 degree angles you
mention.

Are they flat in both the vertical stiles and the 45 degree part? Got a link to a picture?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dean Payne
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] caboose ladders

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are
too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't
curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne




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