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GN Hand Brakes

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

So far I have found this:

GN drawing 28942, dated 22-Mar-43 specifies:

"XL" Vertical Wheel Hand Brake, Unit W-2000, from
Universal Railway Devices, Chicago IL.

Following car series:

GN 92500-92999
GN 86500-86999 retrofit AFE 65177 493 cars.
GN 87000-87999 retrofit AFE 65178 936 cars.
GN 93000-93499
GN 44400-44699
GN 44025-44399
GN 2500-2524
GN 10600-10899
GN 10000-10399
GN 11100-11199
GN 11300-11374
GN 2525-2549
GN 11375-11874
Unspecified 500 box cars on AFE 76685.

Russ


Re: caboose ladders

jerryglow2
 

Being an etched metal product, it is very thin and delicate. I used one
once but would not do so again, opting for something more substantial.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John F. Cizmar" <jfcizmar1966@...> wrote:

Guys,
I'd be interested to have a look at the Taurus items as well. My
AMB NKP 1000 series project is stalled due to my limited fabricating
skills. I've had moderate success drilling some brass flat stock for
the ladders. One the stiles took me 11/2 hours to drill. The result
is disapointing as I need to make (3) more.
John Cizmar


Re: caboose ladders

John F. Cizmar
 

Guys,
I'd be interested to have a look at the Taurus items as well. My AMB NKP 1000 series project is stalled due to my limited fabricating skills. I've had moderate success drilling some brass flat stock for the ladders. One the stiles took me 11/2 hours to drill. The result is disapointing as I need to make (3) more.
John Cizmar
Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Dean

I did some Taurus Products ladders on some cabooses for the Chesapeake & Lake Erie. I can take a
picture of them tomorrow night, and send it to you. Walthers' listing for this is not illustrated.
It is a fairly nice etching, but I believe it's round at the top, not the 45 degree angles you
mention.

Are they flat in both the vertical stiles and the 45 degree part? Got a link to a picture?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dean Payne
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] caboose ladders

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are
too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't
curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne









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Re: representing cast steel

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Is there a sense of the scale of the finish roughness with this product?

SGL
That brings up an interesting point. The biggest challenge, to my
mind, in modeling steel castings in HO scale isn't roughness; it's
smoothness. A couple coats of paint mopped on over the years long ago
covered any surface roughness. The distinctive thing about castings is
their smooth, rounded forms; all outside corners are slightly rounded,
and all inside corners have fillets. Often times the fillets have
multiple little gussets worked into them.

Note the details in the image in the link.

http://www.irm.org/gallery/AMOX9499/aaf

The plate and bar stock items all have square edges and sharp corners.
The castings, such as the poling pockets, have radii everywhere. The
structural steel is somewhere in between, as it has fillets in the
inside corners. As to surface finish, it all looks the same.

Dennis


Re: caboose ladders

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Payne" <deanpayne@...> wrote:

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne
You might look at both the CalScale and Precision Scale lines for tall
tender ladders in brass. These are typically flat bar stock stiles
with round rungs, and should be able to be bent to the angle you need
and cut to length. They'd be plenty sturdy.

These might work:

http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/585-31323

Dennis


Re: Decals for Helium tank cars.

asychis@...
 

What model would you use decals on?

Jerry Michels



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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Matt, here is a link to a photo of a 1960 molasses car at the Illinois
Railroad Museum www.irm.org/railwire/rw185/rw185a6.html

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: caboose ladders

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

TCS provides wire that is fabricated into ladders wither by gluing of
soldering.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: caboose ladders

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hi Dean

I did some Taurus Products ladders on some cabooses for the Chesapeake & Lake Erie. I can take a
picture of them tomorrow night, and send it to you. Walthers' listing for this is not illustrated.
It is a fairly nice etching, but I believe it's round at the top, not the 45 degree angles you
mention.

Are they flat in both the vertical stiles and the 45 degree part? Got a link to a picture?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dean Payne
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] caboose ladders

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are
too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't
curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne





caboose ladders

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

I need to finish my kitbash of a W&LE caboose. I have a pair of
Athearn caboose ladders (# 12504) but I now realize they are too crude
for the rest of the work I put into it. These ladders don't curve over
the top in an arc, these bend down at a 45 degree angle or so. The
prototype uses a flat stile and round rungs. I don't think I am good
enought to fabricate a decent stile out of styrene, nor would it be
sturdy enough. The Athearn ladder is sturdy enough, but it is
obviously stamped out of a flat sheet of metal. Does anybody make a
higher-quality part? TCS makes a resin kit for the caboose, I wonder
what ladder they use?

Dean Payne


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Lee Gautreaux
 

Tony,

I plan on modeling a cane sugar mill on my 1960's based Louisiana
layout one day, so I've been digging to find any evidence of SP or
T&NO lettered tank cars being used at any of those mills/refineries
for liquid sugar or molasses service. I interviewed an SP/T&NO
freight agent who started in the 1940's who has a good memory about
many of the details of the Southdown Sugar refinery on the Houma
branch. He says that he cannot recall ever having a railroad
lettered tank car at the refinery, only lease fleet cars. I have
seen numerous other older photos from various south Louisiana mills
and have never seen any SP tank cars. I have seen numerous older,
railroad owned gons and box cars, however.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The Bayou Foamer
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/

PS - The bristles from a stiff broom make great cane loads.
http://tinyurl.com/22ha2h

Hopefully someone will know
specifically about Louisiana.

Tony Thompson


Re: SP&S Running board question (for 12p box cars)

Allen Rueter
 

http://2-8-2.com/rr_sp&s_notes.html
SP&S 13000 series had Gypsum running boards, per ed austin's SP&S
freight car book.
Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:


Russ I'm sure many of us are interested in these cars -- I have
about 6 unbuilt kits and I'd love to know what running boards,
handbrakes, and trucks to use on any of the 12 panel cars for
GN as well as SP&S. I know there was more than one group of
cars with slightly different details.

Tim O'Connor


Re: representing cast steel

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Is there a sense of the scale of the finish roughness with this product?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bud9351
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:35 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] re: representing cast steel

Eric,
Thanks for the heads up on the Tamiya product coming out. Sounds
like another "safe, easier to breathe" way of doing this. I like the
Tamiya line of paints and have had good success using their clear
paints as well as gunmetal for turned off marker lenses. The Krylon
products might also be worth a look at, not having to worry too much
about heavy pigment here.
Bud Rindfleisch





Re: representing cast steel

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Eric,
Thanks for the heads up on the Tamiya product coming out. Sounds
like another "safe, easier to breathe" way of doing this. I like the
Tamiya line of paints and have had good success using their clear
paints as well as gunmetal for turned off marker lenses. The Krylon
products might also be worth a look at, not having to worry too much
about heavy pigment here.
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Running board question (for 12p box cars)

Tim O'Connor
 

I think these are 3715 cft

GN series 2525- 2549 (renumbered?)
series 10900-11374 blt 1948 ST CLOUD SHOPS
series 10375-11874 blt 1948 ST CLOUD SHOPS
series 18000-18499 blt 1949 ST CLOUD SHOPS
series 18500-19499 blt 1949 ST CLOUD SHOPS
series 19500-20499 blt 1951 ST CLOUD SHOPS

SP&S series 13000-13499

At 6/6/2007 06:31 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Tim,

I can accept that in concept but I do not know which were
the 12 panel cars. Looking at an equipment book I see a lot
of cars built right around the same era. Some are 3727cuft,
some are 3715cuft, some are 3775cuft. There is one series
built during the war that is 3712cuft.

Need a point of focus here. Looking at this one page I see
40'6" cars with a single 6'0" sliding door that were built
between 1927 and 1959. I'm sure many of these were rebuilds
on old underframes.

How about a little sniff of brakeshoe smoke so I can pick
up the trail?

Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: timboconnor@comcast.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 06 June, 2007 17:00
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Running board question (for 12p box cars)



Russ I'm sure many of us are interested in these cars -- I have
about 6 unbuilt kits and I'd love to know what running boards,
handbrakes, and trucks to use on any of the 12 panel cars for
GN as well as SP&S. I know there was more than one group of
cars with slightly different details.

Tim O'Connor









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Re: Running board question (for 12p box cars)

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Tim,

I can accept that in concept but I do not know which were
the 12 panel cars. Looking at an equipment book I see a lot
of cars built right around the same era. Some are 3727cuft,
some are 3715cuft, some are 3775cuft. There is one series
built during the war that is 3712cuft.

Need a point of focus here. Looking at this one page I see
40'6" cars with a single 6'0" sliding door that were built
between 1927 and 1959. I'm sure many of these were rebuilds
on old underframes.

How about a little sniff of brakeshoe smoke so I can pick
up the trail?

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: timboconnor@comcast.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 06 June, 2007 17:00
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Running board question (for 12p box cars)



Russ I'm sure many of us are interested in these cars -- I have
about 6 unbuilt kits and I'd love to know what running boards,
handbrakes, and trucks to use on any of the 12 panel cars for
GN as well as SP&S. I know there was more than one group of
cars with slightly different details.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

A.T. Kott wrote:
We saw a lot of the SP diamond "S" tank cars down in San Antonio - Houston area. However, I never did realize that they were associated with sugar production at Sugar Land. They may have been in water service in that configuration here too.
I was TOLD that they worked at Sugar Land, don't have any photos showing that. I have seen altogether three photos of SP "restricted stencil" liquid sugar cars and ASRX cars at Arlington. Maybe it was just a yard, don't know what would be the reason for them there. Can anyone help?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

proto48er
 

Tony -

We saw a lot of the SP diamond "S" tank cars down in San Antonio -
Houston area. However, I never did realize that they were associated
with sugar production at Sugar Land. They may have been in water
service in that configuration here too.

MoP subsidiary Sugar Land RR rostered some raised running board tank
cars {SLD #100-#154} (not ACF Type 7's, however) with low domes and
very small safety vent valves that were in sugar service there. A
couple of them later became auxiliary water cars for steam locos.

I know nothing about a facility at Arlington! Did not realize that
Arlington, Tx was even near a T&NO line.

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

.... Yes. I have photos at Spreckels (note spelling), and I
understand they were used by Imperial Sugar at Sugar Land, Texas
also,
and by an ASRX facility at Arlington (does anyone know about the
latter?).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Russ Strodtz wrote:
Ah, a fine point you have made. The CB&Q had hundreds of hoppers with crude stenciling "Beet Service Only". Does anyone think that if they were short on coal hoppers that they would not be used for coal?
Quite right, and well put. But the point here is a bit more subtle. The SP put the large white diamond on the dome, with a letter "S" inside it, whenever cars had been modified to be CAPABLE of use in liquid sugar service. They ALSO stenciled under the car number if the car was for "liquid sugar loading only," and as you say, the latter restriction might not always be followed. My point was that the diamond-S emblem by itself was NOT a restriction in any case.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Running board question (for 12p box cars)

Tim O'Connor
 

Russ I'm sure many of us are interested in these cars -- I have
about 6 unbuilt kits and I'd love to know what running boards,
handbrakes, and trucks to use on any of the 12 panel cars for
GN as well as SP&S. I know there was more than one group of
cars with slightly different details.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@rrwebhost.com>
Matt,

Exactly what number series are you interested in?

Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 06 June, 2007 14:05
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Running board question


In RP Cyc Vol 8, there's an excellent article about 10'-0" IH
postwar
cars with a detailed roster including the GN cars. With few
exceptions, GN used Morton, Gypsum and Apex RBs on all series of
these cars, so, take your pick! There's a picture of 18368 with
what
appears to be an Apex RB. Author Ed Hawkins lists "Great
Northern 40'
Steel Box Cars" GNRHS Ref Sheet #61 as a reference. -you may
find
more specific info there.

-Tony Higgins

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@...>
wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a
GN 12
> panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Sugerman,
> Ft Worth, TX
>





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