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Re: Postwar Freight Car book

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Try emailing them at hq@hq.nmra.org . They have over 100 reserved now. I'm in Western Canada and a non-member. My payment was $77.90 US$.

Mansell Peter Hambly
COQUITLAM, BC

----- Original Message -----
From: radius158
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Postwar Freight Car book


---How does one go about preordering this ?? Doug Gardner

In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Rast" <rastlr@...> wrote:
>
> Got the same call. Jumped this time. :)
>
> Best,
> Lawrence Rast
>
>
> On 5/21/07, lnnrr <lnnrr@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just got a call from NMRA. The second printing order for the
> > Postwar Freight Car Fleet book is underway at the publishers.
> > Delivery to NMRA in 5 to 8 weeks. Back orders will of course be
filled
> > first. I procrastinated and missed out on the first run. If you
were
> > like me, now is your best second shot at getting your order in for
> > this well recommended book.
> > Charles Peck
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


Re: Postwar Freight Car book

CJ Riley
 

You might try the web site...NMRA.org

CJ Riley

--- Lawrence Rast <rastlr@gmail.com> wrote:

I had emailed the NMRA several weeks ago encouraging them to reprint the
book.

Might be worth a try...

Lawrence Rast

On 5/23/07, radius158 <gard158@hotmail.com> wrote:

---How does one go about preordering this ?? Doug Gardner

In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lawrence Rast"
<rastlr@...> wrote:

Got the same call. Jumped this time. :)

Best,
Lawrence Rast


On 5/21/07, lnnrr <lnnrr@...> wrote:

Just got a call from NMRA. The second printing order for the
Postwar Freight Car Fleet book is underway at the publishers.
Delivery to NMRA in 5 to 8 weeks. Back orders will of course be
filled
first. I procrastinated and missed out on the first run. If you
were
like me, now is your best second shot at getting your order in for
this well recommended book.
Charles Peck










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Re: Postwar Freight Car book

Lawrence Rast
 

I had emailed the NMRA several weeks ago encouraging them to reprint the
book.

Might be worth a try...

Lawrence Rast

On 5/23/07, radius158 <gard158@hotmail.com> wrote:

---How does one go about preordering this ?? Doug Gardner

In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lawrence Rast"
<rastlr@...> wrote:

Got the same call. Jumped this time. :)

Best,
Lawrence Rast


On 5/21/07, lnnrr <lnnrr@...> wrote:

Just got a call from NMRA. The second printing order for the
Postwar Freight Car Fleet book is underway at the publishers.
Delivery to NMRA in 5 to 8 weeks. Back orders will of course be
filled
first. I procrastinated and missed out on the first run. If you
were
like me, now is your best second shot at getting your order in for
this well recommended book.
Charles Peck






Re: Sugar refining in New York City

Jeff English
 

Ed, the plant you're talking about was also an ASR facility and is
still going strong. This plant is several decades old, and until
about a year ago their utilities entered the plant over a bridge that
was once a public street (Vark Street, City of Yonkers). The bridge
has been closed to even pedestrians for over 20 years, but is still
Yonkers' responsibility. Since it crosses over the ex-NYC mainline,
we (NYSDOT) wanted the bridge replaced because it was too low for
Plate F box cars (17'0") so we paid for a new replacement at
something like 22 feet. The plant insisted on <no> interruption of
their utilities, which added significantly to the cost: 12" gas main,
water main, several hundrd kW electric service, and communication
lines including fiber optic data link to Georgia (they run the plant
process by computer remotely from the Peach State!).

To bring this back to the pre-1960 era, I agree that it was unlikely
that this plant ever shipped product out by rail. The plant's
function is/was to bring in the raw materials for making sugar and
sell finished sugar only within the NYC metropolitan area, which was
likely 100% by truck even before the War.

Lately I see far fewer rail cars than just a few years ago. There
used to be a lot of covered hoppers, but now just about zero; still a
few tank cars which I assume are delivering High Fructose Corn Syrup
(which is not really suitable for human consumption, but that's a
matter not for discussion here).

Ed, did you perchance work for Phelps Dodge or Otis Elevator?

Jeff English
Troy, New York
(where rough pavement is a way of life!)

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@ asked:
I wonder if they shipped out any covered hoppers of sugar?

In the '80s I worked for an employer on the Hudson River a couple
miles
north of the NYC city line (you could jump in the river from my
employer's parking lot).

There was a sugar mill a mile or two south of where I worked, also
on
the river, but still outside NYC limits. They used to get sugar
cane by
water (I'd see the ships from across the river when I was in
college in
the '60s). The New York Central main line ran right next to the
factory.

By the time I was working at that job the sugar mill received raw
sugar
in Conrail covered hoppers (my lab partner knew several sugar mill
employers). Maybe they received processing chemicals in covered
hoppers
too. There were always 6 or 8 covered hoppers parked in the factory
complex which were switched several times a week.

I doubt much sugar was transported in covered hoppers in the time
frame
I interested in just after WWII. The old Walthers decal books show
covered hoppers in dedicated service for sugar in the '50s.

Ed


Re: Looking for restored FGE reefer in the Pacific northwest?? ex-PM

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill...Welch?...writes:


"That number matches the FGE series originally built by the PM.

Can anyone tell me if this car is stil there and in a place it can be photographed?"

I think I probably photographed it in 2004. I'll look through my stuff.

Mike Brock


Re: Postwar Freight Car book

radius158
 

---How does one go about preordering this ?? Doug Gardner

In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Rast" <rastlr@...> wrote:

Got the same call. Jumped this time. :)

Best,
Lawrence Rast


On 5/21/07, lnnrr <lnnrr@...> wrote:

Just got a call from NMRA. The second printing order for the
Postwar Freight Car Fleet book is underway at the publishers.
Delivery to NMRA in 5 to 8 weeks. Back orders will of course be
filled
first. I procrastinated and missed out on the first run. If you
were
like me, now is your best second shot at getting your order in for
this well recommended book.
Charles Peck



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Sugar refining in New York City

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... asked:
I wonder if they shipped out any covered hoppers of sugar?

In the '80s I worked for an employer on the Hudson River a couple miles
north of the NYC city line (you could jump in the river from my
employer's parking lot).

There was a sugar mill a mile or two south of where I worked, also on
the river, but still outside NYC limits. They used to get sugar cane by
water (I'd see the ships from across the river when I was in college in
the '60s). The New York Central main line ran right next to the factory.

By the time I was working at that job the sugar mill received raw sugar
in Conrail covered hoppers (my lab partner knew several sugar mill
employers). Maybe they received processing chemicals in covered hoppers
too. There were always 6 or 8 covered hoppers parked in the factory
complex which were switched several times a week.

I doubt much sugar was transported in covered hoppers in the time frame
I interested in just after WWII. The old Walthers decal books show
covered hoppers in dedicated service for sugar in the '50s.

Ed


Re: Looking for restored FGE reefer in the Pacific northwest?? ex-PM

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Bill Welch kindly refers to the "restored FGE reefer at the [California State Railroad Museum]".

This fine 1924 ice wood reefer 35832 never actually needed "restoring" in the usual sense, and in fact for the most part it never was. It had been kept intact and in good shape, never altered, for many years as an in-house moving storage vehicle by and for Tacoma Ice & Storage (I think I have that right). It was there that the late Fred Stindt found it, and arranged to have it shipped to Sacramento. The SP wouldn't touch it because of its chilled iron wheels, but the BN and WP agreed to bring it south, but only tagging along at the very end behind the cabooses on the various trains involved.

Aside from clean up and new paint and lettering, almost nothing had to be done to prepare the car for exhibition. It is one of my personal favorites.

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: NP 51000-51499

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Russ,

The truck in the photo is a 70 ton Dalman 2 Level truck with Barber lateral motion devise. An HO 50 ton version of this truck is available from Tahoe Model Works. Would you like me to e-mail to you a flyer?

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@rrwebhost.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NP 51000-51499


Al,

Well that's a start. I do not have that book. Let's try
another approach. If I wanted to buy a model of that
truck what would I be buying?

Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: al_brown03
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 08:16
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NP 51000-51499


Shine, "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", p 110, shows NP 51248,
partly
behind a W-3 Mikado the photographer for some reason was
interested
in. :-) The gondola's truck is nicely lit though the shot isn't
from
real close. Doesn't look too unusual, a Dalman spring package in
a "Bettendorf" side frame.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@...>
wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Am looking for a photo of one of the NP 51000-51499 series
> of drop bottom gons, AC&F built in 1929.
>
> They had trucks cast by ASF. Design is shown as:
>
> "Dalman Truck (Barber Type)"
>
> If car photo not available is a photo of this truck or
> a car with this truck available?
>
> Thanks in advance !
>
> Russ


Re: Looking for restored FGE reefer in the Pacific northwest?? ex-PM

Tom Todd <gntrains@...>
 

When i went to visit the railroad museum at Snoqualmie, WA, last fall it was at the depot. It was painted yellow w/ brown ends, but no markings. It also had a Preco Fan arrangement. That was where a fan to circulate the cold air inside the car is powered by the car rolling down the rails.&#92;

Tom

al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu> wrote:
FWIW, it's still listed on their website.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

Thank you Brian!

That number matches the FGE series originally built by the PM.

Can anyone tell me if this car is stil there and in a place it can
be
photographed?

Bill

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@> wrote:

Bill,

It's suppose to be at the railroad museum at Snoqualmie, WA.
FGEX
#16134.
I don't know if it was ever restored.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for restored FGE reefer in the Pacific
northwest??
ex-PM


I believe in the past I heard of a restored Fruit Growers Express
reefer somewhere in Oregon or Washington. There are several FGE
cars
around the country, including of course the one in Sacramento
at
the
CSRRM. The importance of the example I am refering to is that
it's
original owner was the Pere Marquette.

I think I remember hearing that the car's last owner was a fish
company, which is how it escaped being destroyed.

Can anyone shed light on this car? I will be in the Pacific NW
in
June
and would love to get a photo of this car. While it probably
resembles
FGE cars in the 32000 series, I want to confirm this and to
have a
photo "For the Record."

Any help will be appreciated!

Bill Welch





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Re: NP 51000-51499

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Al,

Well that's a start. I do not have that book. Let's try
another approach. If I wanted to buy a model of that
truck what would I be buying?

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: al_brown03
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 08:16
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NP 51000-51499


Shine, "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", p 110, shows NP 51248,
partly
behind a W-3 Mikado the photographer for some reason was
interested
in. :-) The gondola's truck is nicely lit though the shot isn't
from
real close. Doesn't look too unusual, a Dalman spring package in
a "Bettendorf" side frame.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@...>
wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Am looking for a photo of one of the NP 51000-51499 series
> of drop bottom gons, AC&F built in 1929.
>
> They had trucks cast by ASF. Design is shown as:
>
> "Dalman Truck (Barber Type)"
>
> If car photo not available is a photo of this truck or
> a car with this truck available?
>
> Thanks in advance !
>
> Russ
>
> Like the castle in it's corner, in a medieval game,
> I foresee terrible trouble, and I stay here just the same.
>


Re: NP 51000-51499

al_brown03
 

Shine, "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", p 110, shows NP 51248, partly
behind a W-3 Mikado the photographer for some reason was interested
in. :-) The gondola's truck is nicely lit though the shot isn't from
real close. Doesn't look too unusual, a Dalman spring package in
a "Bettendorf" side frame.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@...> wrote:

All,

Am looking for a photo of one of the NP 51000-51499 series
of drop bottom gons, AC&F built in 1929.

They had trucks cast by ASF. Design is shown as:

"Dalman Truck (Barber Type)"

If car photo not available is a photo of this truck or
a car with this truck available?

Thanks in advance !

Russ

Like the castle in it's corner, in a medieval game,
I foresee terrible trouble, and I stay here just the same.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: What to do?

Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
 

Clark,

If your search for a prototype for the stock car fails you can always take it off its trucks and place it in a barn yard and use it for a corn crib. Seriously, stock cars and wood sheathed (double and single) were often sold to farmers for this purpose as they became surplus. I cut the hardware off of mine as the RR migth have done when they sold it. And when painted light gray or any color for that matter knowing the former owner seems less important.

Now, I'll be glad to share my technique for making ear corn if you car to contact me off list. Ear corn doen't have much to do with freight cars.

Mont Switzer

Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net> wrote:
I have an undec Walther (TM) stock car kit. I've tried selling it at a couple swap meets for five bucks to no avail.

Is their a 'close' prototype for this model? If so, what?

Thanks a million,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa








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Re: What to do?

Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
 

Clark,

If your search for a prototype for the stock car fails you can always take it off its trucks and place it in a barn yard and use it for a corn crib. Seriously, stock cars and wood sheathed (double and single) were often sold to farmers for this purpose as they became surplus. I cut the hardware off of mine as the RR migth have done when they sold it. And when painted light gray or any color for that matter knowing the former owner seems less important.

Now, I'll be glad to share my technique for making ear corn if you car to contact me off list. Ear corn doen't have much to do with freight cars.

Mont Switzer

Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net> wrote:
I have an undec Walther (TM) stock car kit. I've tried selling it at a couple swap meets for five bucks to no avail.

Is their a 'close' prototype for this model? If so, what?

Thanks a million,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa







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NP 51000-51499

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

All,

Am looking for a photo of one of the NP 51000-51499 series
of drop bottom gons, AC&F built in 1929.

They had trucks cast by ASF. Design is shown as:

"Dalman Truck (Barber Type)"

If car photo not available is a photo of this truck or
a car with this truck available?

Thanks in advance !

Russ

Like the castle in it's corner, in a medieval game,
I foresee terrible trouble, and I stay here just the same.


Re: Brake step dimensions

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

That looks to be just fine. Was doing some drawing
sorting. NP 35652 is for:
NP 4700-4999 = 50'6" 100M Box
NP 84000-84188 = Double Deck Stock
NP 14000-14499 = 40'0" 80M box

The width is 28 1/2", the depth is 9". Looks like the
edges are rolled down so it's 1 1/2" thick. Specifies
that the top side be "Rough". This is a PC&F design.
To make it more rigid there are three 3/8" carriage
bolts running from rear to front that go thru the
flanges and under the surface. There are notches cut
in the back for the shaft and retainer valve pipe.

Do not think these cars had power brakes.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 12:31
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Brake step dimensions


On May 21, 2007, at 7:31 AM, lnbill wrote:

> I am wondering if there were any rules or standards setting
th2
> dimensions for the brake step. I am specifically interested
in cars
> built in 1942, when the verticle handbrake was the standard.

Brake step requirements were the same for both vertical staff
and
geared hand brakes:

"If brake step is used, it shall be not less than twenty eight
(28)
inches in length. Outside edge shall be not less than eight (8)
inches
from face of car and not less than four (4) inches from a
vertical
plane parallel with end of car and passing through the inside
face of
knuckle when closed with coupler horn against the buffer block
or end
sill."

SAFETY APPLIANCES: AAR Standards, 1940 Car Builders' Cyclopedia,
p.
1092.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Sugar refining in New York City

Matt Herson
 

Tim,

I'm pretty sure the Domino refinery in the NY Times article was not served by rail. I've seen Jack Frost 3 bay PS-2's in the BEDT (Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal) yard several blocks north. While the sightings were in the early 1960s the BEDT was still steam powered and switching steam era freight cars. All BEDT traffic was by car float, no direct rail connection.

Matt Herson

----- Original Message -----
From: timboconnor@comcast.net
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Sugar refining in New York City


Somewhat tangental to STMFC but I thought this might interest a few
folks -- that NYC was at one time a major refiner of sugar. This is a story
about the ASR (Domino) refinery in Brooklyn. I wonder if they shipped out
any covered hoppers of sugar? The article doesn't say but I assume cane
was imported from the West Indies.

http://empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/brooklyns-sweetest-landmark/

Tim O'Connor


BC Electric boxcar - door?

destron@...
 

Posted to the files section a photo named "BCE X50.jpg"; this was found
on-line without any credits.

The photo is probably from around 1975, given that the bridge visible in
the background was built in 1974/75 and opened to traffic in August of
1975; the car, however, definitely predates 1964 - the "BCE" markings
refer to the British Columbia Electric Railway, which became the BC Hydro
Railway in 1964. I'd wager that it was already rather old in 1964.

What caught my eye about this car that prompts me to write this message is
the door, as I don't think I've seen this type before. (Though it might
well be a fairly common thing, I've only been seriously interested in
North American railways for half a year or so). Can anyone give a name to
it, or other information?

Frank Valoczy


Sugar refining in New York City

Tim O'Connor
 

Somewhat tangental to STMFC but I thought this might interest a few
folks -- that NYC was at one time a major refiner of sugar. This is a story
about the ASR (Domino) refinery in Brooklyn. I wonder if they shipped out
any covered hoppers of sugar? The article doesn't say but I assume cane
was imported from the West Indies.

http://empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/brooklyns-sweetest-landmark/

Tim O'Connor


Re: Looking for restored FGE reefer in the Pacific northwest?? ex-PM

al_brown03
 

FWIW, it's still listed on their website.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

Thank you Brian!

That number matches the FGE series originally built by the PM.

Can anyone tell me if this car is stil there and in a place it can
be
photographed?

Bill

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@> wrote:

Bill,

It's suppose to be at the railroad museum at Snoqualmie, WA.
FGEX
#16134.
I don't know if it was ever restored.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for restored FGE reefer in the Pacific
northwest??
ex-PM


I believe in the past I heard of a restored Fruit Growers Express
reefer somewhere in Oregon or Washington. There are several FGE
cars
around the country, including of course the one in Sacramento
at
the
CSRRM. The importance of the example I am refering to is that
it's
original owner was the Pere Marquette.

I think I remember hearing that the car's last owner was a fish
company, which is how it escaped being destroyed.

Can anyone shed light on this car? I will be in the Pacific NW
in
June
and would love to get a photo of this car. While it probably
resembles
FGE cars in the 32000 series, I want to confirm this and to
have a
photo "For the Record."

Any help will be appreciated!

Bill Welch

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