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Re: WP conversion
Randy Hees
We have one of these box cars in our museum shop, WP 2711, wreck train rider car (Elko) , earlier numbers unknown, To Heber UT, converted to a tourist rider car, to Nevada State Railroad Museum Boulder City, 1993, out of service, currently being rehabilitated for tourist service…
In the case of this car the roof system consists of steel carlines with wood ridge pole and perlins on top of the steel carlines (and blocking directly over the carline, with wood roof sheeting running the length of the car body, with longitudinal boards over that. There was a layer of roof felt or similar between the two layers of wood sheeting, and graveled roof felt over all. It is possible (even likely) that the last layer of graveled roof paper was added after the car left the WP, or at worst while in work service, but the remainder of the roof is clearly from railroad service. There is no evidence of any steel sheeting on this car.
By the way we would love to add any original plans to this car’s preservation file.
Randy Hees Director, Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Bill Welch
I knew there are "Prototype Police," had no idea there was a "Slotted Screw" police force. I better be careful about "screwing up."
Bill Welch
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Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs
Pretty sure those "brackets" are hinges for ice loading doors.
Best, Dave Smith
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Re: Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
gary laakso
Brian: Wonderful pictures, thank you very much for sharing them.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Rochon
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:02 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
From the Steamtown site today.
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4586.jpg
along with SFRD reefer 6719
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4544.jpg
Brian Rochon
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Bill,
Nothing really, but I have a very strong preference for Philips head
screws, primarily because the screw driver can’t easily slide out of the slot as
with slotted screws. The down side of Philips screws is that both the
screw head and the screw driver are more easily damage than slotted screw heads
ad screw drivers, but that’s not a significant problem for me, especially with
the small screws we typically use in our modeling.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 6:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot
Boxcars What
is wrong with slotted screws, I have 400 of them?! Well truthfully I have
probably used 100 from that 400 screw order. Bill Welch
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Nelson Moyer
Nothing ‘wrong’ with slotted screws, but RTR cars have mostly Philips. I started with slotted because I couldn’t source 2-56 Philips in the lengths I needed locally, but as I got serious about resin building, I ordered 500 each of four Philips
2-56 lengths. I swap out the slotted screws when cars need maintenance so I don’t have to hunt for the right screwdriver, a Philips #0 does it all. I find Philips easier to use than slotted. I standardized on Pan 2-56 Philips for both trucks and couplers as
a matter of convenience.
Nelson Moyer
On Dec 10, 2019, at 4:34 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
Brian Rochon
From the Steamtown site today.
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4586.jpg
along with SFRD reefer 6719
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4544.jpg
Brian Rochon
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Kemal Mumcu
So I was wrong! Clark, for the CN cars you seek the article you want to read is Railmodel Journal October 2000. Available on TrainLife I believe.
Colin Meikle
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Re: WP conversion
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Fred and friends, What I said, or intended to say, was that WP 8051-8055 were the last of the ex-15001 cars in general service, and that they were gone before 1949. The renumbered 26001-series was assigned to Gerlich plaster service and in theory weren't used for general loading anymore (many, if not all, had interior bulkheads, and some had loading hatches). Further research in my collection throws a light on series 8051-8055's fate. While the 1947 general arrangement shows the 8051-series still listed as general freight cars, another version of the same general arrangement drawing with the numbers scratched out shows 8051-8085 in "store matl. service". This drawing is reproduced on page 163 of "MAINTENANCE OF WAY EQUIPMENT, WESTERN PACIFIC RAILROAD CO.", the official collection of WP MW car drawings reprinted by the Portola Railroad Museum some 30 years ago. The MW number group is from the book's original table of contents, and is not actually reflected on page 163 itself. The WP could be pretty sloppy about such things, as it really didn't matter much except to the bean counters at headquarters in San Francisco. A few additional points on the numbers. The span of 8051-8055 comes from Frank Brehm's WP diagram web site, and is based on the caption he presented (sorry but his collection of diagrams is not currently available online). Upon careful examination of the diagram (which I downloaded), I see that the actual number span was 8051-8085. The numbers on the original were overwritten, and are a bit fuzzy, but this became apparent when I knew what to look for. So this tallies with numbers on the MW diagram cited above. According to that diagram, a total of 163 cars from the original 15001-series were converted to MW service (many becoming dormitory, kitchen or shop car conversions). WP MW8051-8085 (to use the correct spacing of WP's maintenance car numbering) apparently remained pretty much in original condition as boxcars. I did make one mistake in my post, but an honest one based on an error in the drawings. The 12' 10" maximum body height was not at the roof peak, though that is how it is shown on the 1947 re-drawing, and on the MW drawing cited above. That value was actually over the running board, as shown on earlier drawings. I discovered the discrepancy while doing further research after my post. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 4:03 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: Garth,
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
What is wrong with slotted screws, I have 400 of them?! Well truthfully I have probably used 100 from that 400 screw order. And then there are the 400+ models already built. Have I messed up using slotted screws? Will my models fall apart?
Bill Welch
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Re: WP conversion
Garth,
You discussed those cars with me (among others). John's pictures and info is stashed away at the moment, so out of reach. I also supplied you with copies of the Pullman drawings. The last original -but renumbered- Pullman cars remaining on the WP roster were the 26001-26125 plaster cars and they stayed -in MW- until the end of WP in 1983. These were the last remaining cars on the roster, not the 8051-series tool cars. See the enclosed 1964 diagram. cheers Fred Jansz
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Re: WP conversion
mel perry
hi: how were the seams or joints sealed? thanks mrl perry
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 12:31 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: Guys,
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Re: WP conversion
Fred Jansz
Guys,
I have copies of the Pullman drawings, pictures of the cars in question and I can assure you the roof of these cars consisted of overlapping steel sheets through their lifes from 1916-1983. Like I wrote before: - 10 sheets of 3' 5" - 2 (end) sheets of 3'-3 7/16" There were NO outside battens, but inside ribs. Also the caboose roof did not have battens. The MM drawings are not 100% correct: especially the roof, which has one weird smaller panel somewhere halfway the roof. See drawing: And the accurail car is a bad stand-in: roof is wrong, underbody is wrong, it's too tall and ....sigh. Fred Jansz
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Re: HO Scale Utah Coal Route GS Gondola Kits Available
Corey Bonsall
Hi Larry,
I'm 3D printing these at home on a Formlabs Form 2 SLA resin printer, it uses a acrylic liquid resin that is UV photo-sensitive. I do end up with some support blemishes on one side of the car, but those can be manipulated in the printer software to be on easily-sandable locations. Its a wholly different animal than the cast resins or styrene. I'm also doing the decals myself, using a Ghost White laser toner cartridge on Microscale paper. Tim, I'm still learning Inkscape to do the artwork, but my middle age and one bad eye must be getting to me, I cannot see hardly any difference between the model and the photo. That is one of the very photos I stared at for days to create the artwork too. I am probably biased though... These cars did have a lot of similar cousins, I think the CB&Q/C&S had some very close, as well as the 43k series D&RGW. If we tweak the end side sheets, we get the D&SL cars as well. The main set of prints I used to draft was a pre-WWI USRA pattern with a few tweaks, so some of the design components/ratios showed up in a lot of cars to follow. Thanks everyone for the feedback, Corey Bonsall
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Re: WP conversion
WILLIAM PARDIE
What a relief! With all the discussion about the roof on these cars I was pleased to find when I got home today that Andy got the roof right in his kit. The plan in the March 1990 Mainline Modeler also featured the correct roof.. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io" <paul.doggett2472@...> Date: 12/9/19 12:54 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WP conversion I am sanding the roof down it will have to do as a stand in as there’s nothing else available as far as I know. Paul Doggett. England 🏴 On 9 Dec 2019, at 10:36, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Bill,
Great work - thanks for posting the photos. I have to admit I cringed when I saw the slotted screws - perhaps they are just place holders for what you will use for the final assembly. - Jim B.
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Re: HO Scale Utah Coal Route GS Gondola Kits Available
lrkdbn
These cars look extremely well done. Two questions- who does your printing, and what is the resin or plastic that is used?
Sincerely, Larry King ,<lrkdbn@...>
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Joseph
Clark, I have the articles copied and ready to mail to you)my scanner is not playing with the laptop today) Joe Binish
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote: Thanks to all! Yes, Colin is close and Dennis is correct (he should know) The car has 7/8 ends.
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Re: WP conversion
Tony Thompson
Garth Groff awrote:
Sanding off the ribs would certainly make it look better. Tony Thompson
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Clark Propst
Thanks to all! Yes, Colin is close and Dennis is correct (he should know) The car has 7/8 ends.
The article Eric provided the link to was for wood ended cars. There is another article on making CV 1 1/2 door cars. It's not the same as the F&C car. All's I need now is the number series and I can have two Canadian lumber cars. I will check the Accurail website for a number series. CW Propst
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