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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Craig Zeni
 

On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:31 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

6a. Odd (to me) Monon car
From: spsalso <Edwardsutorik@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:15:11 EST

In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco. Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG

I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon.

Any opinions?

Ed
Not opinion, but fact...it's not Oregon. It's Salem, Indiana. The Monon leased a few SP&S RS-2s in the 1960s. The odd car is what's called a Rider Caboose...a 'front end' caboose was required by Indiana state law for trains longer than 65 cars.

Forgot to sign the first one...


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Steven D Johnson
 

Matt is correct.  Subsequently, that unit was purchased by L&N in 1966 and rebuilt into an RS3 by L&N using components from a damaged L&N FA2.  It was renumbered to L&N #104 (2nd).

 

The car behind the locomotive is a Monon head end caboose. It was one of 6 such cars Monon constructed from old stone-hauling gondolas in the Lafayette Shops. 

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Herson
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 2:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

 

Ed,

The SP&S engine was  used on the Monon late in its life so I believe the location to be Salem Indiana on the Monan.

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of spsalso via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

 

In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco.  Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG

I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon.

Any opinions?



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Craig Zeni
 

On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:31 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

6a. Odd (to me) Monon car
From: spsalso <Edwardsutorik@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:15:11 EST

In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco. Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG

I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon.

Any opinions?

Ed
Not opinion, but fact...it's not Oregon. It's Salem, Indiana. The Monon leased s few SP&S RS-2s in the 1960s. The odd car is what's called a Rider Caboose...a 'front end' caboose was required by Indiana state law for trains longer than 65 cars.


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Seth Lakin
 

Yes Salem, Indiana on the Monon. The Monon built in the company shops these “head end cabooses”. They housed the head end brakeman and any LCL that may be carried to be distributed along the line. They were typically used on the wayfreight trains that ran each section of the line. I would have to dig my notes out but there were 6-8 of them built in the late 40’s from flats. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Brian Termunde
 

I'm no expert, but it looks like a rider car that the Monon used to obey Indiana's Full Crew laws.

What the heck it's doing in Salem is beyond me though!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I believe that’s one of Monon’s odd cabooses. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Dec 15, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Matt Herson <mjherson@...> wrote:



Ed,

The SP&S engine was  used on the Monon late in its life so I believe the location to be Salem Indiana on the Monan.

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of spsalso via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

 

In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco.  Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG

I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon.

Any opinions?



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Matt Herson
 

Ed,

The SP&S engine was  used on the Monon late in its life so I believe the location to be Salem Indiana on the Monan.

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of spsalso via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

 

In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco.  Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG

I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon.

Any opinions?



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Tony Thompson
 


On Dec 15, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
     Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black.
      If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354.

     Shouldna typed so fast. Obviously it is the letters and border that are orange, and the background black. Sheesh.

Tony Thompson




Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

Edward
 

The rail traffic to Cuba, as with Mexico, was mainly in US owned cars.
However new cars built in the US for the Consolidated Railways of Cuba, National of Mexico or other foreign railroads using the AAR coupler, standard gauge and Westinghouse air brake, had their equipment roll on US rails from the factory to a shipping point.
All of them were painted and usually lettered, wearing Metric dimensional and weight data. For US operation, English Empire data would also be required (feet, inches, pounds and tons).
Note that Canadian freight cars carry both, as well as lettering in English and French.  
So modeling a brand new car for NdeM or Cuba Consolidated and running it on a US theme model railroad would be a stretch but not incorrect.
Mainly because there would be more than one car of them in a train for delivery at the border, or a port for shipment abroad. 

Ed Bommer


Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?

     Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black.
      If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354.

Tony Thompson




Odd (to me) Monon car

spsalso
 

In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco.  Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG

I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon.

Any opinions?



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Norm Buckhart
 

they are two shades of yellow Bill - I have them O scale but not HO.  Norm Buckhart



On Dec 15, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?

Thank you,
Bill Welch <Screen Shot 2019-12-15 at 2.45.59 PM.png>


Prototype Rails Hotel Rooms

Bill Welch
 

When making a Reservation be sure to give them the Code"NMR20". I had difficulty using the "800" number even though I told them what the event was and they said they were full. I then went through the CCB Hotel Desk. Suggest dialing 321.799.0003, then "0" and explain to the person that answers your Reservation request and be sure to mention NMR20.

See you there!
Bill Welch


SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Photo: NKP Boxcar 27664

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NKP Boxcar 27664

A decent photo of this double-sheathed boxcar:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-15-19/X5091.jpg

I can't quite read the build date but the car was reweighed 8-26.

Photo was taken in East Binghamton, NY, in October 1926.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

Richard Townsend
 

Is there any evidence of Cuban cars coming to the US, or was all the traffic in US cars?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

The West India Fruit & Steamship Company had boxcars and refrigerator cars in its fleet. In addition to the traffic between the Port of Palm Beach and Havana, the company also ferried freight cars to New Orleans.
By the middle 1950s, up to eighty railroad cars each way per day were being transferred between the United States and Cuba. Inbound freight to the U.S. included tobacco, refined sugar, pineapples, rum, tomatoes, slaughterhouse byproducts, and scrap metal. Cuban bound freight included less-than-carload merchandise, manufactured goods, chemicals, lard, railway equipment, temperate zone fruit such as apples, pears, and grapes, meat, dairy, steel products, and machinery.
These cars traveled all over. Here are photos of boxcars WIF 321 and WIF 106 in Vancouver, British Columbia:
And more research determined their freight cars did indeed travel to Southern California. I even found a photograph of one of their cars in Los Angeles at a Southern Pacific yard:
The boxcar (WIF 233) is just behind the two tank cars. Also notice the Canadian Pacific eight-hatch meat reefer (CP 283285) to the right.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Armour & Company Reefer 8644

Bob Chaparro
 

Poster On The Armour Reefer

A link courtesy of Richard Kowalski of a post car version, in color:

https://www.hippostcard.com/listing/poster-art-postcard-be-careful-cross-crossings-carefully-1926-chicago-cancel/20844529

Click on the post card to view it without the distortion.

Charlie Vlk noted the post card version is a bit different from the poster:

"Comparing the two the post card is somewhat modified….the top and bottom are cropped and the Be Careful text is brought down to the top of the man’s cap."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

Bob Webber
 

They got as far as West Oakland....


At 11:14 AM 12/15/2019, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

The West India Fruit & Steamship Company had boxcars and refrigerator cars in its fleet. In addition to the traffic between the Port of Palm Beach and Havana, the company also ferried freight cars to New Orleans.

By the middle 1950s, up to eighty railroad cars each way per day were being transferred between the United States and Cuba. Inbound freight to the U.S. included tobacco, refined sugar, pineapples, rum, tomatoes, slaughterhouse byproducts, and scrap metal. Cuban bound freight included less-than-carload merchandise, manufactured goods, chemicals, lard, railway equipment, temperate zone fruit such as apples, pears, and grapes, meat, dairy, steel products, and machinery.

These cars traveled all over. Here are photos of boxcars WIF 321 and WIF 106 in Vancouver, British Columbia:

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/927338/7658ec35-f30a-4588-a7a3-ceb33329747c-A28964.jpg

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/927329/41b0bb2a-a9bf-4ce9-85ad-d213a848aedb-A28963.jpg

And more research determined their freight cars did indeed travel to Southern California. I even found a photograph of one of their cars in Los Angeles at a Southern Pacific yard:

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20988463

The boxcar (WIF 233) is just behind the two tank cars. Also notice the Canadian Pacific eight-hatch meat reefer (CP 283285) to the right.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Bob Webber


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

Bob Chaparro
 

The West India Fruit & Steamship Company had boxcars and refrigerator cars in its fleet. In addition to the traffic between the Port of Palm Beach and Havana, the company also ferried freight cars to New Orleans.

By the middle 1950s, up to eighty railroad cars each way per day were being transferred between the United States and Cuba. Inbound freight to the U.S. included tobacco, refined sugar, pineapples, rum, tomatoes, slaughterhouse byproducts, and scrap metal. Cuban bound freight included less-than-carload merchandise, manufactured goods, chemicals, lard, railway equipment, temperate zone fruit such as apples, pears, and grapes, meat, dairy, steel products, and machinery.

These cars traveled all over. Here are photos of boxcars WIF 321 and WIF 106 in Vancouver, British Columbia:

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/927338/7658ec35-f30a-4588-a7a3-ceb33329747c-A28964.jpg

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/927329/41b0bb2a-a9bf-4ce9-85ad-d213a848aedb-A28963.jpg

And more research determined their freight cars did indeed travel to Southern California. I even found a photograph of one of their cars in Los Angeles at a Southern Pacific yard:

https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:20988463

The boxcar (WIF 233) is just behind the two tank cars. Also notice the Canadian Pacific eight-hatch meat reefer (CP 283285) to the right.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

John Barry
 

Speculation on:

Apples, cherries, and other tree fruits that need a winter frost.
Canned goods that needed insulation from heat or cold enroute.

Speculation off.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 1:32:14 AM EST, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:


a pfe reefer to cuba at 10:45, wonder
what was being exported?
mel perry

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 10:06 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film

Railroad coverage starts about four minutes into the film. The film appears to end without full coverage of exports to the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLO0qNmSZ7s

Description: "This is a short film about the West India Fruit and Steamship Company based out of West Palm Beach, Florida. It was made as a promotional film for the company I believe in the 1950's. The company was created by my cousin, Daniel E. Taylor and his three brothers from Sea Level, NC. They went on into business and needed a way to ship their products to and from Cuba. There are several shots of Jacksonville area."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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