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Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] Getting decals printed

naptownprr
 

For those of us who don't understand the abbreviation  what is PDA?,


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Hi Marty,

I also worked with Bill Brillinger at pda.  Artwork and decals are very pleasing, very fast work.  Pricing seemed a bit high, but I had not worked with a manufacturer to make decals for quite a few years, so probably actually competitive pricing…can’t get bread for 5 cents a loaf any more, either…I will work with Bill again for my next needs.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:06 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Getting decals printed

 

Can anyone recommend a custom decal printer they have had a positive experience with? I've got some HO scale artwork I need to have printed. 

 

TIA, 

 

Marty

 

Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, Va.


Re: P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Tim O'Connor
 

GYPSUM or TRANSCO running board on Rock Island 25189? :-)

Built by Pullman Standard in 1946, just three years old here.

Tim O'

On 7/31/2019 12:30 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Gang;

Nice P&LE gon shot. These are the big ingot molds they used at USS Homestead:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1292.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-990

I think the RIX molds are similar. I remember the new molds being shipped in were a combo of black, new rust and mold release white, in color.

Elden Gatwood
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Getting decals printed

Tim O'Connor
 


cdc.ca - Bill Brillinger - received my decals 3 days after I ordered them

cartograf - high quality printer recommended by Ted Culotta





On 7/31/2019 1:06 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:

Can anyone recommend a custom decal printer they have had a positive experience with? I've got some HO scale artwork I need to have printed. 


TIA, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, Va.


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR GR and LS&MS gons on the MRY c.1910-11

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Good find, Elden - thanks for the heads-up.

From CASO freight car roster for NYC: LS&MS gon #38558 was part of lot LS-79 built by Pressed Steel 1904, 1000 cars LS&MS #'s 38000-38999 in the period 1904-1922, with renumbering going on from 1916 to NYC #'s 326000-326999, apparently retired by 1935.

Regards
Paul


Re: Getting decals printed

Peter Ness
 

Hi Marty,

I also worked with Bill Brillinger at pda.  Artwork and decals are very pleasing, very fast work.  Pricing seemed a bit high, but I had not worked with a manufacturer to make decals for quite a few years, so probably actually competitive pricing…can’t get bread for 5 cents a loaf any more, either…I will work with Bill again for my next needs.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io; realstmfc@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Getting decals printed

 

Can anyone recommend a custom decal printer they have had a positive experience with? I've got some HO scale artwork I need to have printed. 

 

TIA, 

 

Marty

 

Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, Va.


Re: Getting decals printed

Marty McGuirk
 

Hi Jack,
For one item -Central Vermont MofW decals - I’d look at doing multiple sheets since some other CV modelers might be interested.

I also want to get a few sets of CV pre-war steam locomotive decals - just for my own use and a single sheet would be more than enough. 
Marty


On Jul 31, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Gene Deimling <proto48@...> wrote:

Marty
I have been pleased a company In Canada.  Here is a link to their website.  

They use a laser printer and do white.  

Here is a link to a post I did on their product. 

Gene Deimling


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Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


Re: and have you ever seen a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound boxcar?

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Last I knew Clover House had dry transfers for that ACL ventilated boxcar. Can't
think of any for the Puget Sound car.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Westy USRA 40-ton Double Sheathed boxcar as SP&S: Part 3

Bill Welch
 

Given that this SP&S model is only second USRA 40-ton example I have built and it was 20+ years since I built that M&StL car, so I spent extra time studying the photo I have of SP&S 10044. The Westerfield kit is one of his early offerings and is very good and the only thing I saw that varied from the kit is the presence of fascia boards along the top edge of the sides butted against the underside edge of the roof. I used .010 x .040 styrene strip to model these. Note that I built in a little damage and used small bits of .005 to shim the boards as if they have warped slightly.                                                                                                            

As I continued to examine the photo I thought I detected that the metal cladding the roof is bent over its edges, partially covering the fascia boards along the top edges of the sides. For confirmation I decided to consult Dennis Storzek since through years I have found his insights into freight car construction to be very helpful and accurate. His return message included the attached illustration of the “National Flexible Outside Metal Roof for Boxcar” (also known as a Murphy roof) that clearly shows the metal bending over the edge of the roof.

Since I have built the roof as a separate assembly it was easy to attach a piece of 0.005-styrene to each edge. I cut it to a width that would leave some of the fascia boards visible. After the CA had cured I used the handle of a small paint brush to burnish the edge of the styrene against the edge of the roof, then sanded this edge with some #600 grit sandpaper, all ii an attempt to make this joint appear like the bent edge of metal. Admittedly it will be hard to tell if this worked until the model is painted.

Another detail clearly revealed in the 10044 photo is the presence of metal flashing over the doors. I think this may have been applied by the SP&S. This was easy to make with .005-styrene sheet.

Questions? Let me know.

Bill Welch


New book

James SANDIFER
 

My book was introduced last week at the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society convention in Pueblo: Santa Fe Live Stock operations: History, Equipment, Facilities & Modeling. I assume other dealers with have it before long.

Before the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe drove its first spike, it was understood that the shipping of live stock would be critical to its success. One of the first actions was to intercept the Chisholm Trail 65 miles south of Abilene near Newton where over 40,000 head were shipped in 1871. By the end of the 1872 the majority of the rail cars owned by Santa Fe were stock cars. As the Santa Fe continued to move west, it caught more cattle at Great Bend, Dodge City, and Granada, Colorado. In 1884, Santa Fe shipped 800,000 head of cattle from Dodge City alone. The railroad maintained a Live Stock Department catering to cattlemen, ranchers and packers. But live animals were trouble to ship. Damage claims were higher than any other commodity, and government regulation were stronger. The shipping of live stock peaked in the 1920s, but by 1930 things had begun to change. Trucks proved to be more convenient and often faster transportation for small shippers and short distances. In the end, Santa Fe loaded just 62 cars of stock in 1972, the last year of live stock operations. But for over a century, live stock, birds, fish, and a myriad of other animals went on Santa Fe all the way. Painstakingly researched and liberally illustrated, this is the story of Santa Fe’s live stock operations, from its history, to equipment, to infrastructure—such as stock yards and feeding stations required to maintain the business. Along the way this volume touches on the rules and regulations governing the traffic, rodeo and circus trains, Railway Express shipping, as well as modeling this fascinating part of Santa Fe’s legacy. This book combines features of both the rolling stock reference series and the commodity series.  256 pages 11×8½ soft cover, over 300 over 300 black & white photos and diagrams and over 140 color photos, appendix, roster, plus modelers notes.

It will soon be available on the Society website. McMillan Publications already has it listed on their site. https://www.mcmillanpublications.com/products/santa-fe-live-stock-operations-history-equipment-facilities-and-modeling-sandifer

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: Getting decals printed

Gene Deimling
 

Marty
I have been pleased a company In Canada.  Here is a link to their website.  

They use a laser printer and do white.  

Here is a link to a post I did on their product. 

Gene Deimling


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Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That's great, Eric! Nice choice!

Elden Gatwood

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Very cool.

I troll this site extensively for rail and industry images. My next layout inspiration is the B&O Allegheny Yard branch that ran along the Allegheny River out of Willow Grove. I've found lots of great images close to my 1926 modeling focus.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



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Eric;

In my experience of this area, the really tall ones were loaded two-only to a gon, lengthwise, near the ends. Some of the shorter ones were loaded sideways. You usually can't see the stools, which were generally loaded in a pile in the center. I love these shots that show how to model the inside, and for loads like this, since I model this area of Pgh.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:54 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

I see the ingots are loaded two different ways in two gondolas.

Note the left over debris in the empty gons, too.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gang;

Nice P&LE gon shot. These are the big ingot molds they used at USS Homestead:

BlockedBlockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1292.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-990

I think the RIX molds are similar. I remember the new molds being shipped in were a combo of black, new rust and mold release white, in color.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Getting decals printed

Jim King
 

Marty ... I regularly use http://pdc.ca/rr/catalog for all of my decal work (just rec'd 23 sheets for my O scale SOU gon yesterday).  Bill can create artwork if you need.  Very fast delivery from a US address as well as Canadian.  He uses the same printing system as Tichy but has tweaked it to result in much thinner graphics that are opaque and easily nestled down with Microscale and Solvaset.
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Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Getting decals printed

Tom in Texas
 

Circus City


Tom in Texas


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Eric Hansmann
 

Very cool.

I troll this site extensively for rail and industry images. My next layout inspiration is the B&O Allegheny Yard branch that ran along the Allegheny River out of Willow Grove. I've found lots of great images close to my 1926 modeling focus.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Eric;

In my experience of this area, the really tall ones were loaded two-only to a gon, lengthwise, near the ends. Some of the shorter ones were loaded sideways. You usually can't see the stools, which were generally loaded in a pile in the center. I love these shots that show how to model the inside, and for loads like this, since I model this area of Pgh.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

I see the ingots are loaded two different ways in two gondolas.

Note the left over debris in the empty gons, too.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gang;

Nice P&LE gon shot. These are the big ingot molds they used at USS Homestead:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1292.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-990

I think the RIX molds are similar. I remember the new molds being shipped in were a combo of black, new rust and mold release white, in color.

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

In my experience of this area, the really tall ones were loaded two-only to a gon, lengthwise, near the ends. Some of the shorter ones were loaded sideways. You usually can't see the stools, which were generally loaded in a pile in the center. I love these shots that show how to model the inside, and for loads like this, since I model this area of Pgh.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

I see the ingots are loaded two different ways in two gondolas.

Note the left over debris in the empty gons, too.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gang;

Nice P&LE gon shot. These are the big ingot molds they used at USS Homestead:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1292.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-990

I think the RIX molds are similar. I remember the new molds being shipped in were a combo of black, new rust and mold release white, in color.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Two PRR GS gons, 2 C&O gons, and a PRR GRA

Eric Hansmann
 

Interesting Pennsy Lines four-wheel cabin car at the far left. Photo is noted as a Columbus, Ohio location, circa 1913.

Those GS gons might have drop doors, too.

There is so much to discover on the Historic Pittsburgh site.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Two PRR GS gons, 2 C&O gons, and a PRR GRA

You think YOU have trackage problems?

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A201203.1913.4337/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-867

Elden Gatwood


Re: Dealer at RPM

golden1014
 

His name is Bill Harris.  He’s a good guy.  John Golden


Re: P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Eric Hansmann
 

I see the ingots are loaded two different ways in two gondolas.

Note the left over debris in the empty gons, too.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gang;

Nice P&LE gon shot. These are the big ingot molds they used at USS Homestead:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1292.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-990

I think the RIX molds are similar. I remember the new molds being shipped in were a combo of black, new rust and mold release white, in color.

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ben is right. There was a damage investigation that also involved this car. I have not found the rest of the photos of this event. This is the P&LE part of the P&LE/PRR/Union RR (USS) interchange yard at Homestead, PA.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 12:56 PM
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Ed Bommer wrote:

"Also interesting, the chalk marked (?) reporting marks on the roof of the Rock Island boxcar in the foreground.

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.1292.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-990

The chalked reporting marks on the boxcar makes me believe that this photo is documentation for an accident investigation.


Ben Hom


Re: P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

mopacfirst
 

Notice the hand car just barely visible on the ground to the left, evidently set off the track.

Ron Merrick