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Re: Swift 3300

Douglas Harding
 

The message arrived in my inbox yesterday afternoon at 1:30pm, though it was sent on April 4th when the list were having a discussion about the rerelease of the Rapido meat reefer I assumed Steve would have a more informed answer than I about the Swift reefer, and I was getting ready for this morning.

 

I’ve been having this type a problem for some time. Apparently my Internet provider or my email provider sees group.io messages as spam and delays them.

 

As for the Swift cars in question, the only photos I have of 3300 series car I got from Steve, so not much help.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift 3300

 

Hello Steve,

 

I am in a similar situation from time to time, as it was the case with exactly that Email. I got it yesterday. Please have a look at the exact date: -it has been sent FIFTEEN DAYS ago! But I got it yesterday...

 

Best regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. April 2020 um 22:22 Uhr
Von: "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift 3300

I am currently getting my groups.io emails with a delay of 12 or more hours.  This one wasn't received here until 3:04 AM today.

 

By 1950 in the ORER, the 3300 series reefers extend from 3300 - 5199 with 1602 cars, in total.  But known photos show that they were not all alike in appearance.  There were more than a few 4 hinge doors in this range and some had inset by tabbed side sills.  Many looked like Sunshine resin kit 24.x, if you can find one.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift 3300

 

 

In light of the recent discussion about the Swift 2500 series reefer that will be released by Rapido, I was wondering if anyone had ever kitbashed or produced a 3300-series reefer. This series seems to comprise the most-numerous wood Swift reefer. 


Re: Swift 3300

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Steve,
 
I am in a similar situation from time to time, as it was the case with exactly that Email. I got it yesterday. Please have a look at the exact date: -it has been sent FIFTEEN DAYS ago! But I got it yesterday...
 
Best regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. April 2020 um 22:22 Uhr
Von: "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift 3300
I am currently getting my groups.io emails with a delay of 12 or more hours.  This one wasn't received here until 3:04 AM today.
 
By 1950 in the ORER, the 3300 series reefers extend from 3300 - 5199 with 1602 cars, in total.  But known photos show that they were not all alike in appearance.  There were more than a few 4 hinge doors in this range and some had inset by tabbed side sills.  Many looked like Sunshine resin kit 24.x, if you can find one.
 
Steve Hile
 
 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift 3300

 
 
In light of the recent discussion about the Swift 2500 series reefer that will be released by Rapido, I was wondering if anyone had ever kitbashed or produced a 3300-series reefer. This series seems to comprise the most-numerous wood Swift reefer. 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load now diagonal loading cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Here’s another PRR diagonal loader, the ex-PRR (now CR) G36H.

 

Also, one of my favorites, the PRR’s F25E.  To get every inch out of this well car, they removed the original floor supports and flooring, and replaced them with steel plates supported by brackets riveted to the bottom of the sides.  A truly unique car.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

If you were shipping it on the ERIE, you’d have a chance, but even so that’s pretty wide.

 

The ERIE was originally built to 6’-0” gauge, so the clearances were set early on very wide.  Throughout it’s history, it was well known for being able to handle oversize shipments.

 

But typically, on most roads, I’d say that could only go as a very special movement.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson


Re: Swift 3300

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I am currently getting my groups.io emails with a delay of 12 or more hours.  This one wasn't received here until 3:04 AM today.
 
By 1950 in the ORER, the 3300 series reefers extend from 3300 - 5199 with 1602 cars, in total.  But known photos show that they were not all alike in appearance.  There were more than a few 4 hinge doors in this range and some had inset by tabbed side sills.  Many looked like Sunshine resin kit 24.x, if you can find one.
 
Steve Hile
 
 



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift 3300

In light of the recent discussion about the Swift 2500 series reefer that will be released by Rapido, I was wondering if anyone had ever kitbashed or produced a 3300-series reefer. This series seems to comprise the most-numerous wood Swift reefer. 


Re: Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

I got it.  I took a height measurement of the item and it was about 19' above the railhead stood straight up.  Diagonal loading sounds like the best bet.

Thanks,

Randy


Offered: Sunshine resin kits for PFE and ACF 8K gal. insulated tank car

Andy Carlson
 

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I have 2 new Sunshine HO resin kits which I am offering for sale. These are new, unbuilt. Free Shipping
1) Sunshine #36.1 ACF 8,000 gal. Insulated Tankcar Shippers Car Line $55
2) Sunshine #25.10 P.F.E. R-30-9/R-40-9 wood reefer        $49

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I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is welcomed. Contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...> with questions.
Thanks,





Re: Flat Car Load

Schuyler Larrabee
 

If you were shipping it on the ERIE, you’d have a chance, but even so that’s pretty wide.

 

The ERIE was originally built to 6’-0” gauge, so the clearances were set early on very wide.  Throughout it’s history, it was well known for being able to handle oversize shipments.

 

But typically, on most roads, I’d say that could only go as a very special movement.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson


Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car (Multiscale Digital Boilers)

Bruce Smith
 

John is correct. I modified a Chooch boiler by taking a slice out of the center and adding a wrapper, rivets, tie down points, loading pads, and created an "AMERICAN LOCOMOTIVE Co." decal for it. I loaded it onto an ECW 90 ton depressed center NYC flat car.
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of John Barry <northbaylines@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boiler Load On Flat Car (Multiscale Digital Boilers)
 
Don,

I believe that Bruce modified a Chooch boiler.  That was a variant of the "Scotch boiler" and not the type used in warships.  The Birchfield boilers of the current discussion originated at Tacoma Washington (State not District) at the Birchfield Shipbuilding & Boiler Co., Inc.,  located on the west side of the Blair Waterway, in the Port of Tacoma.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 10:13:38 AM EDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


   Who was the firm that offered similar boilers but I believe they were sectional and for ships? Was it
Bruce Smith that posted photos of such a boiler as a flat car load some years ago? Those I could 
easily justify here as opposed to an industrial boiler from a mid-western manufacturer. I believe it 
was Alco that supplied ship boiler that passed through Vermont via a somewhat circuitous route to 
Bath Iron Works in Bath, Me to be used in the destroyers they built during WW II.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Hudson;

 

Yes.  This is another diagonal loader on the PRR, this one a MW version, the PRR G26S, converted from a standard G26.  The G26 was a 65-footer, so it was specifically converted to accommodate a big turnout.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hudson Leighton
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

This is also how the RRs ship prefabbed switches.

-Hudson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Andy Cich
 

Yes, that is the kit I was thinking of.

Andy Cich


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Bruce Smith
 

Andy, folks,

This Sunshine kit?  😉 (F10 Ship Plate Loads)

Regards
Bruce


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load
 

This looks like a variation of the type of load modeled by a Sunshine kit. I’m not sure who the model builder is for the photos I attached. I’m sure I saved them from one of the email lists.

 

Andy Cich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Randy;

 

This is a PRR F25C dedicated diagonal loading car, for boiler heads or plate steel wider (or taller) than the maximum of the clearance diagram.  Loads were tilted up diagonally, against the timbers, and secured with chains running from the floor, up over the top of the load, and attached to the timbers.  The entire load and car had to fit inside the clearance diagram.  The loaded cars were shipped in “High and Wide” shipments in certain trains, and were continuously checked along the way to ensure no load shifting occurred that would cause a load to hit something, like a bridge entry, tunnel entry, etc.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Andy Cich
 

This looks like a variation of the type of load modeled by a Sunshine kit. I’m not sure who the model builder is for the photos I attached. I’m sure I saved them from one of the email lists.

 

Andy Cich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Randy;

 

This is a PRR F25C dedicated diagonal loading car, for boiler heads or plate steel wider (or taller) than the maximum of the clearance diagram.  Loads were tilted up diagonally, against the timbers, and secured with chains running from the floor, up over the top of the load, and attached to the timbers.  The entire load and car had to fit inside the clearance diagram.  The loaded cars were shipped in “High and Wide” shipments in certain trains, and were continuously checked along the way to ensure no load shifting occurred that would cause a load to hit something, like a bridge entry, tunnel entry, etc.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

This is also how the RRs ship prefabbed switches.

-Hudson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Randy;

 

This is a PRR F25C dedicated diagonal loading car, for boiler heads or plate steel wider (or taller) than the maximum of the clearance diagram.  Loads were tilted up diagonally, against the timbers, and secured with chains running from the floor, up over the top of the load, and attached to the timbers.  The entire load and car had to fit inside the clearance diagram.  The loaded cars were shipped in “High and Wide” shipments in certain trains, and were continuously checked along the way to ensure no load shifting occurred that would cause a load to hit something, like a bridge entry, tunnel entry, etc.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy


Re: Flat Car Load

Bruce Smith
 

Randy, 

Depending on the era, 14' vertical would translate to more than 15' above the railhead and would definitely still be an excess dimension load. 

When Elden said "diagonal", what he meant was on side of the load at one side of the deck, with the other side elevated... sort of like (end on). Load it on a depressed center or well car and you're even better off.
   /
  /
 /    

What is this mystery load?? 🙂

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Williamson <pennsy@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load
 
Hi All,

I was thinking of the load as part of a general freight train.  Maybe If
I stand it up that it would work better.

--
Randy Williamson






Re: Flat Car Load

Tony Thompson
 

For a fairly dramatic large load on model freight cars, you might like to look at the multi-car load built by Richard Hendrickson, with not only a large truss assembly loaded on the diagonal, but also a pair of idler flat cars in a five-car set. If you're interested, here is a link to m blog post about these cars:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/03/richard-hendricksons-multi-car-loads.html

Scroll down to the bottom of the post to find this multi-car load set.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

Hi All,

I was thinking of the load as part of a general freight train. Maybe If I stand it up that it would work better.

--
Randy Williamson


U.S. Navy San Diego Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

Folks-
There are about three of these cars preserved at Southern California's Orange Empire Trolley Museum. Still in Navy grey colors.

About 12 years ago Dan Smith and I saw some Navy 40' box cars out near Inyokern (Not too far from Ridgecrest) which had characteristics of both X29 and '37 AAR designs. I have never seen anything like this before and none since.
-Andy

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 10:51:06 AM PDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Re: Painting brass

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I was interested when I saw the first version at Springfield last year, and told them that I’d like a somewhat larger version.  Well what they came out with is practically large enough for the local bodega to warm up pizza slices!  And enormously overpriced on top of that. So as of now, I‘ve bought neither.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting brass

 

Has anyone tried MicroMark's drying booth?

 

 

A bit pricey but so are brass engines.

 

Allen Cain 


Re: Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Dangerous Placard - What's So Dangerous?

This is a 1947 publicity photo of a boxcar full of auto parts. Given the date I don't think any automobile fluids in this shipment would have been considered dangerous or hazardous. Any guess as to what made something in this load dangerous?

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/30386/rec/925

Description: 'A freight car, with the slogan Everywhere West painted on it, is being unloaded. Boxes and crates cover the loading platform. Titus Motor Company's order of Ford parts valued at $50,000 filled an entire freight car. Ralph (Jake) Jacobson, parts manager for Titus Motor Company, with pencil and paper, completes checklist with Dick Thomas, local terminal foreman for Consolidated Freightways. Sam Bratton, Freightways employee, is seen wheeling a load from the freight car.'"

Enlarging the photo using the sizing slider reveals the reason - the placard is clearly marked "WET BATTERIES".


Ben Hom  

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