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Re: Photo: NKP Boxcar 27664
lrkdbn
Another car I've been looking for! Ray Breyer at the NKP group knows a lot about these cars,and the NKPHTS
modeler's on line magazine has articles. Decals can be had from Resin Car Works. Larry King
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film
Walter Cox
<Note that Canadian freight cars carry both, as well as lettering in English and French.> The addition of metric and French did not occur on CN until after the period of this list and I think that is true for CP as well. Walt. ( Modelling CN in 1959.)
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
Yeah, that slide is mis-labeled. That is not on SP&S rails, but on the Monon. The Monon faced a power shortage in 1966 due to their return of several Alco C628s to the manufacturer, and had to lease these SP&S engines until Alco could produce the 628s replacement. The car trailing the locomotive is a 'Rider' car that was required by State Law for 'locals' exceeding a certain size. These were home built by the Monon at the Lafayette, Indiana Shops. Mont Switzer can provide a more thorough description of these cars. In HO, at one time they were offered by Overland Models. Dave Strahlendorf Erlanger, Ky
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Well Bob I had hoped that the second car photo you posted might have saved the day as it appears to be an earlier lettering style that I, at least, have not ever seen before. Unfortunately a check of my 1946 and 1947 ORER's draws a total blank. So I gather that this entire operation did not get under way until 1949 or the very early 1950's which is beyond my Dec. 1948 cut-off date. The film is none-the-less of interest for the ship photos. I gather that these ships were strictly for below deck loading, much like the Great Lakes car ferries on which I enjoyed a trip back in 1978, but that these were rear loading only with four tracks. The tie down equipment is very interesting but what were all the structures on top of the ferry deck? It appears that like many of the earlier freight lines that these car ferries also may have carried passengers. The Proto-2000 LV auto boxcar being unloaded was of particular interest as was the flat car of new Corn Binder, read that as International Harvester, tractors which I suspect several other readers caught as well as you PFE reefer. Thanks very much for posting this, Don Valentine
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:31 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:
6a. Odd (to me) Monon carNot opinion, but fact...it's not Oregon. It's Salem, Indiana. The Monon leased a few SP&S RS-2s in the 1960s. The odd car is what's called a Rider Caboose...a 'front end' caboose was required by Indiana state law for trains longer than 65 cars. Forgot to sign the first one... Craig Zeni Cary NC
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
Steven D Johnson
Matt is correct. Subsequently, that unit was purchased by L&N in 1966 and rebuilt into an RS3 by L&N using components from a damaged L&N FA2. It was renumbered to L&N #104 (2nd).
The car behind the locomotive is a Monon head end caboose. It was one of 6 such cars Monon constructed from old stone-hauling gondolas in the Lafayette Shops.
Steve Johnson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Herson
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 2:35 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car
Ed, The SP&S engine was used on the Monon late in its life so I believe the location to be Salem Indiana on the Monan. Matt Herson
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In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco. Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:31 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:
6a. Odd (to me) Monon carNot opinion, but fact...it's not Oregon. It's Salem, Indiana. The Monon leased s few SP&S RS-2s in the 1960s. The odd car is what's called a Rider Caboose...a 'front end' caboose was required by Indiana state law for trains longer than 65 cars.
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
Seth Lakin
Yes Salem, Indiana on the Monon. The Monon built in the company shops these “head end cabooses”. They housed the head end brakeman and any LCL that may be carried to be distributed along the line. They were typically used on the wayfreight trains that ran each section of the line. I would have to dig my notes out but there were 6-8 of them built in the late 40’s from flats.
Seth Lakin Michigan City IN
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
Brian Termunde
I'm no expert, but it looks like a rider car that the Monon used to obey Indiana's Full Crew laws.
What the heck it's doing in Salem is beyond me though!
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
I believe that’s one of Monon’s odd cabooses.
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Dec 15, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Matt Herson <mjherson@...> wrote:
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Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
Matt Herson
Ed, The SP&S engine was used on the Monon late in its life so I believe the location to be Salem Indiana on the Monan. Matt Herson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of spsalso via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 3:15 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car
In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco. Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.
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Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"
Tony Thompson
On Dec 15, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Shouldna typed so fast. Obviously it is the letters and border that are orange, and the background black. Sheesh. Tony Thompson
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film
The rail traffic to Cuba, as with Mexico, was mainly in US owned cars.
However new cars built in the US for the Consolidated Railways of Cuba, National of Mexico or other foreign railroads using the AAR coupler, standard gauge and Westinghouse air brake, had their equipment roll on US rails from the factory to a shipping point. All of them were painted and usually lettered, wearing Metric dimensional and weight data. For US operation, English Empire data would also be required (feet, inches, pounds and tons). Note that Canadian freight cars carry both, as well as lettering in English and French. So modeling a brand new car for NdeM or Cuba Consolidated and running it on a US theme model railroad would be a stretch but not incorrect. Mainly because there would be more than one car of them in a train for delivery at the border, or a port for shipment abroad. Ed Bommer
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Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote: I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please? Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black. If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354. Tony Thompson
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Odd (to me) Monon car
spsalso
In the slide below, there's an odd looking Monon car just behind the loco. Photo was taken at Salem, Oregon.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle-ALCO-RS2-64-W-Train-Salem-OR/401998668873?hash=item5d98fce449:g:WpkAAOSwzNFd9eyG I'm curious what the car is and why it was in Oregon. Any opinions? Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"
Norm Buckhart
they are two shades of yellow Bill - I have them O scale but not HO. Norm Buckhart
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On Dec 15, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote: I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?
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Prototype Rails Hotel Rooms
Bill Welch
When making a Reservation be sure to give them the Code"NMR20". I had difficulty using the "800" number even though I told them what the event was and they said they were full. I then went through the CCB Hotel Desk. Suggest dialing 321.799.0003, then "0" and explain to the person that answers your Reservation request and be sure to mention NMR20.
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SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"
I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?
Thank you, Bill Welch
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Photo: NKP Boxcar 27664
Photo: NKP Boxcar 27664 A decent photo of this double-sheathed boxcar: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-15-19/X5091.jpg I can't quite read the build date but the car was reweighed 8-26. Photo was taken in East Binghamton, NY, in October 1926. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film
Richard Townsend
Is there any evidence of Cuban cars coming to the US, or was all the traffic in US cars? Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Sun, Dec 15, 2019 9:15 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] West India Fruit & Steamship Company Historic Film The West India Fruit & Steamship Company had boxcars and refrigerator cars in its fleet. In addition to the traffic between the Port of Palm Beach and Havana, the company also ferried freight cars to New Orleans.
By the middle 1950s, up to eighty railroad cars each way per day were being transferred between the United States and Cuba. Inbound freight to the U.S. included tobacco, refined sugar, pineapples, rum, tomatoes, slaughterhouse byproducts, and scrap metal. Cuban bound freight included less-than-carload merchandise, manufactured goods, chemicals, lard, railway equipment, temperate zone fruit such as apples, pears, and grapes, meat, dairy, steel products, and machinery.
These cars traveled all over. Here are photos of boxcars WIF 321 and WIF 106 in Vancouver, British Columbia:
And more research determined their freight cars did indeed travel to Southern California. I even found a photograph of one of their cars in Los Angeles at a Southern Pacific yard:
The boxcar (WIF 233) is just behind the two tank cars. Also notice the Canadian Pacific eight-hatch meat reefer (CP 283285) to the right.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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