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Re: More C&O MW Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Fenton and Friends,

Yesterday when I went back, only the links were attached to the post. They took me to the io home page for a log in. Obviously something is different. THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR THE SITE MANAGER!

If anyone is desperate for the images I posted, drop me an off-group email to mallardlodge1000_AT_gmail.com and I will send them as attachments to my response. I think when I get all the MW cars scanned up, I will add a couple more albums to the io site.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
Mallard Lodge in the Heart of Ole Virginia  🦆

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:00 AM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
I'm with you on that as well
Fenton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:25 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: More C&O MW Cars

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm with you on that as well
Fenton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:25 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: More C&O MW Cars

lsittler
 

Yes I am experiencing the same thing and not restricted to one particular devise. Both phone and computer. Les

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone

On May 27, 2020 7:25 AM, Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: More C&O MW Cars

mopacfirst
 

I saw them yesterday on the original post, but they're not visible now.

Ron Merrick


Re: More C&O MW Cars

 

Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: PRR 254288

Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

The original release of the Bowser was also an H30, not an H30A 😉

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 254288
 
I wrote:
"HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model."

Note that Funaro offers both Class H30 (stock nos. 6840-6845) and H30A (stock nos. 30001-30070) kits.


Ben Hom


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

lsittler
 

Thanks Steve. I’ll do that. Les
 

From: Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
 

Les,

 

The ATSF double door car from a C&BT shops car was one of the late Greg Martin’s last projects.  He did the presentation at Cocoa Beach in January.  Go to the Train Life site for old Model Railroading and other magazines.  https://trainlife.com/pages/model-railroading-magazine-archive

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lsittler
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les

 

From: Bob Chapman

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM

To: STMFC

Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.

 

If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.

 

This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.  

 

Bob Chapman

   

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Re: Photo: CCC&StL Boxcar 44759 With Banner

Craig Wilson
 

Interesting photo.  You might be interested to know that the Tanglefoot building still exists in Grand Rapids Michigan just west of the downtown area and the Grand River (photo attached).  It was still an industrial building when I photographed it almost ten years ago.  It has since been "repurposed" into a space for local theatre performing groups.  And . . . it was next door to a Louis Padnos recycling facility which at the time had its own GE 45-ton locomotive.

Craig Wilson


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Les,

 

The ATSF double door car from a C&BT shops car was one of the late Greg Martin’s last projects.  He did the presentation at Cocoa Beach in January.  Go to the Train Life site for old Model Railroading and other magazines.  https://trainlife.com/pages/model-railroading-magazine-archive

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lsittler
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les

 

From: Bob Chapman

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM

To: STMFC

Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.

 

If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.

 

This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.  

 

Bob Chapman

   

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Re: PRR 254288

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote:
"HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model."

Note that Funaro offers both Class H30 (stock nos. 6840-6845) and H30A (stock nos. 30001-30070) kits.


Ben Hom


Re: PRR 254288

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?"

Class H30, from PRR 254251 - 255575.
HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model.


Ben Hom








PRR 254288

Clark Propst
 

There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?
Many Thanks,
CW Propst


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

lsittler
 

My apologies. I have only been on this list for about 5 months and am learning all the time. Had no idea lists like this existed and am truly a neophyte. I appreciate all the information that is available here. Unfortunately, I don’t know yet how to access things and appreciate everyone’s indulgence. Les 
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
 
Les Sittler asked:
"May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets?"
 
The Hawkins spreadsheets can be found here:
 
Recommend list members bookmark this link and/or download the files as they've been referred to repeatedly on this list, yet people keep forgetting the information exists.
 
 
Ben Hom
 

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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

Benjamin Hom
 

Les Sittler asked:
"May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets?"

The Hawkins spreadsheets can be found here:

Recommend list members bookmark this link and/or download the files as they've been referred to repeatedly on this list, yet people keep forgetting the information exists.


Ben Hom


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

lsittler
 

Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les
 

From: Bob Chapman
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
 
Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.
 
If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.
 
This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.  
 
Bob Chapman
   

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Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

The DA freight car ladders - very fine parts - are also extremely prone to breakage. I never knew it was just
crummy (crumbly?) plastic. But since the problem never seems to happen with Kadee ladders, I now see the
wisdom of this explanation.

    Kadee does recycle sprues etc. into virgin styrene, but only ONCE. The excess from THAT batch is all scrapped. Then excess from the following virgin batch can be recycled once, and so on. Any other process degrades the styrene.

Tony Thompson




Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

dh30973
 

A good portion of the DA parts were re packaged Grandt Line parts. Same parts, just less in the package. Grandt did use re-grind for some of their parts, not saying which. Before I bought Cannon and Company after Gordon’s death, he told me he saved his sprues and incomplete parts to take to Grandt. So they could re grind them. Gordon never used re grind. 

Some of the other DA parts were made by another tool maker, Joel Berling, who also used regrind. But he did not do the gondola.

Dave Hussey


Re: Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665

Todd Sullivan
 

The Fallbrook Railway was built from semi-bituminous coal fields in the Southern Tier of New York and Northern Tier of Pennsylvania to the  Corning, NY area to haul coal for the Corning Glass Works. 

Todd Sullivan


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus;

 

THAT is one interesting gon, of course which there are numerous examples of.  The RRs responses to the uniquely badly-treated gondola car fleets were numerous and varied.  I am always interested in how RRs built new or rebuilt to address this problem.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Hi Elden,

 

Thanks for writing – someone else said they thought it was Hocking Valley, and there was a second photo in the collection to support that suggestion

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD

Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Claus;

 

That is a different gon, and I am not sure whose.  Note the end sill, grabs, and other details appear to be different.

 

That jogged end grab and retainer location are hints, but I do not know….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Hi List Members,

 

Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...

 

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

From: Claus Schlund

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:43 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I’ve not done a rivet-by-rivet comparison, but it looks like it is identical to and built to the PRR class GS design – see link below.

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

BlockedBlockedhttps://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665

A photo from the New York Heritage Digital Collections:

https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16694coll29/id/1935/rec/7

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Circa early 1900s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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