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Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

steve_wintner
 

I found this website : http://www.ericsrailroadcarhistory.com/

Maybe of use to you.

Steve


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

vapeurchapelon
 

David, Alexander,
 
many thanks for your replies (and please excuse the delay). The book doesn't have an ISBN #, and my friend doesn't have that book and didn't find one by a quick search. Seems to be a very little run. Do you could provide scans of the mentioned drawings? Of course I would pay some $.
Alexander, unfortunately I (we) don't know the builder, this wasn't mentioned in the caption text.
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
 
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Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

Johannes,

 

Do you know the builder of these cars? That would indicate which library is most likely to have information. For instance, Pullman Library of the Illinois Railway Museum has a majority of the drawings from Pullman and Standard Steel & Car Company, among others, while a different library in St. Louis has most of the American Car & Foundry drawings.

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

 

Hello,

one of my friends is modeling the early 20th century and is interested to build a model of one of the series of 1000 cars of 1902-built Reading wooden coal hoppers #60000 - 60999. I have a picture of #61171 after rebuilding in 1921 (and renumbering, seemingly), but likely it would be wrong to post it here as it is a book scan. I could email it, though.
Does anyone have information of these cars or can point me to some? No matter if original or modernized configuration.

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 


Re: Montour twin hopper M 8014

prr6380
 

For this discussion it should be known that "Disco" was a processed product made by Consolidated Coal Co from coal.  It was not an individual mine, but was made in a processing plant.  As far as the Montour Railroad went, they had two groups of hoppers in their fleet.  One set were cars which never left their property and hauled "green" coal from the mines to the coal cleaning plant and a second group of cars used in interchange service.  The first group was liable to include almost anything since they were used in captive industrial service.  If you are interested in finding more about Disco, search "Disco coal" in Google.

Walt Stafa


Re: Another slice

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Mark,

 

Your steamy shower method has professional endorsement.

 

The Smithsonian has been doing the same thing for years with old drawings.  The man responsible for this had a memorable name, which (of course) I can’t remember right now – I am pretty sure his last name was Loony, or something like that.  But he used a bathroom in the Smithsonian building to get rolled prints and drawings to begin to flatten out.  He hung the drawings using clips and then ran the shower in the room for an hour or so.  The next day he’d look at them.  Some ready to take down, others needing another blast of the shower’s humidity.  I remember him saying that some rolls only expanded a few inches so he was hanging a roll of drawings still about 6” in diameter.

 

He was interviewed in either Railway & Locomotive Historical Society’s newsletter or possibly in the publication of the Industrial Archaeology Society.

 

Given his age when I read this, I suspect Mr. Loony is no longer with us . . . at the very least, he’s got to be retired.

 

Schuyler

 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:40 AM
To: Bob Webber <rgz17@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another slice

 

Bob

 

It's so much fun to work with 100 year old paper. 

 

I've found that high humidity helps temporarily get rid of the brittleness in old paper prints. 

 

Steamtown uses a large steam box that they have. I have used a galvanized steel trash can with a few bricks in the bottom and about an inch of water in the bottom. Loosen up the rolled drawings, set them on the bricks, and place the cover on the can for a few days. Then unroll the damp drawings and place on a tabletop. In couple of hour they are ready for scanning. 

 

At home, I've been known to hang them in the bathroom. After a couple of steamy showers, they are a lot easier to work with. 

 

Mark

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:48 PM, Bob Webber

<rgz17@...> wrote:

I scanned a few more tubes - these are a tad earlier - 1904 - 1919 (retracings after 1916).

I bring this up for a number of reasons.

The thread related to cars of 100,000 lbs capacity - of course, isn't germane in the sense that these are steel UF cars, but interesting for all that given the myriad cars of that or greater Cap.
The brake drawings are really interesting, and unlike some later ones, show the out line of cars
A lot of manufacturer & contractor cars
early ish examples of refrigerator & tanks
Several threads of photos & models vonerge in some of these drawings
(Perhaps not surprisingly) several orders for steel UF only

Interesting how "modern" these cars look, even with the very deep sills.  That they are steel (or steel UF) helps but still interesting.

Caveats:
VERY raw, haven't checked for typos
The data is, again, just what's on the drawings' Data Block & Order Info
RR marks are kept as is in most cases
Some of these drawings were kept in tubes in Montreal when a pipe burst, they have the consistency of a 50 yo dollar bill that's been through the wash every day since it was printed
(Will not have time in the next few days to clean up - when I do, it will be added to the web site version of the spread sheet)

Bob Webber


Re: Montour twin hopper M 8014

rwitt_2000
 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 08:33 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Perhaps these GLa copies were specifically purchased for dedicated service to this one mine for some unknown reason. If the cars were being loaded with coal at the Disco mine, and were also delivering their load of coal to some online destination, then the archbar trucks might not have been an issue since the cars would never leave Montour tracks.
Another thought ... the caption states that DISCO was a preparation plant so it potentially received coal from other mines for washing and grading. This would be a natural need for an online fleet of hoppers.

Bob Witt


Re: GN 5196 - what the?

Tim O'Connor
 

thanks for confirming Bob's mofw hunch...

On 6/19/2019 4:15 PM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
A GN diagram dated May 1, 1969, shows a series X-2305 to X-7845 "Work Equipment Box Car".  In that series, there are 75 for "Material", 48 for "Storage", and 64 for "Tool".  Lengths are from 36' to 50'.

I think Bob got it.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images - June 19, 2019 - HCCX

Bob Webber
 

In the FWIW column - I did note the stencil & GA (amongst others) for the Standard Steel built Hercules cars. 

At 11:23 AM 6/19/2019, Bruce Smith wrote:
Interestingly, the barge appears to be “Hercules Cement No. 1� and appears to be set up for unloading the covered hoppers on these 1930 photos.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith           

Bob Webber


Re: Another slice

Bob Webber
 

I am not.   What I was trying to describe is the construction - thick, deep steel, punctuated by rivets 5" apart...looking like (not coincidentally) the "old timer" MDC tank car frame of yor .  

I had been concerned when I saw your note that I had done so - and feverishly looked in the drawing DB for that term, only to find it not there.  OTOH, I *HAVE* seen some 3 axle trucked gondolas of the kind the N&W and others had.  I'd have to look for the one I saw, if anyone were curious.  

But then...when you've seen Pullman built tenders, and Standard Steel built B&O tenders (in freight car sequences) and railway gun carriages in passenger car sequences, not much surprises me.


At 09:58 AM 6/19/2019, al.kresse wrote:

Mr Weber, are you describing this 91-ton "battleship gon" car?


Al Kresse
On June 18, 2019 at 9:23 AM Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:

Thanks, Mark.   Actually, *most* of the 100 yo stuff is far easier to work with than the 50 yo stuff - the older stuff uses linen - the problem there is that the starch comes out. But it can be ironed.  Then there is the paper used during WW II - very fragile, and used (mostly) by Osgood Bradley (a lot of bus drawings are gone because of it).  Then we come to mylar - where the emulsion flakes off.  Give me linen - even floppy, post-mold linen - any day! 

We don't have issues with brittleness - save for the flat filed Osgood Bradley mentioned. These freight car drawings are now 115 years old - some of them are as clean & crisp as if they were done yesterday - beautiful piece of art. 

When I opened the tube, there were some very high contrast (non-faded) drawings of steel - deep steel - fish belly underframes.  Gorgeous stuff.  Looks like a battleship of the same era.  Lots of big rivets and bolts.

At 07:39 AM 6/18/2019, mark landgraf wrote:
Bob

It's so much fun to work with 100 year old paper.

I've found that high humidity helps temporarily get rid of the brittleness in old paper prints.

Steamtown uses a large steam box that they have. I have used a galvanized steel trash can with a few bricks in the bottom and about an inch of water in the bottom. Loosen up the rolled drawings, set them on the bricks, and place the cover on the can for a few days. Then unroll the damp drawings and place on a tabletop. In couple of hour they are ready for scanning.

At home, I've been known to hang them in the bathroom. After a couple of steamy showers, they are a lot easier to work with.

Mark

Bob Webber


 


 

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Re: GN 5196 - what the?

Robert Heninger
 

Ed,

Thanks for the assist. "Somewhere" I have a copy of that diagram book too, but who knows where "somewhere" is today? Not me.

I just looked again at the photo. I am more certain now that the car is in MOW or some other online storage service - look at how rusty the wheel treads are. This car has been sitting idle for some time.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: GN 5196 - what the?

spsalso
 

A GN diagram dated May 1, 1969, shows a series X-2305 to X-7845 "Work Equipment Box Car".  In that series, there are 75 for "Material", 48 for "Storage", and 64 for "Tool".  Lengths are from 36' to 50'.

I think Bob got it.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: GN 5196 - what the?

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

I'm guessing that this car is in MOW service and someone neglected to stencil an "X" in front of the number. The numbers are repainted, so this car was definitely renumbered. There is some small slanted white lettering on the distant end of the car that I can't read, possibly denoting it's MOW assignment. The cars in the background all appear to be GN MOW cars. Although many (most) GN MOW cars were completely repainted, many went into MOW service with  only new patched numbers.

Do you know the date of the photo?

Regards,

Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GN 5196 - what the?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

"What the..." is right. 5196 is on both side and end, so it is not a case of a number wearing off. The 5000 series were indeed 40' steel framed boxes, not 50'.

Elden Gatwood

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Sorry, I forgot to attach the photo.


On 6/19/2019 12:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I'm baffled by this car number - 5196 - on a 50 foot single sheathed
box car.
From 1955 through at least 1972 the entire Great Northern series 5000
to 5499 was 40 foot 12 panel steel box cars built at the St Cloud
shops. Any ideas?

Tim O'Connor


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


July op session on the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 



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I hope to host an Alma branch op session in July and am trying to set a date.  For me the first and last weekends are out except I could do Sunday the 7th.  The 13th, 14th, 20th, and 21st are also open.  Let me know if you are interested in any of these dates.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
706-543-8821


Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images - June 19, 2019 - HCCX

Bruce Smith
 

Interestingly, the barge appears to be “Hercules Cement No. 1” and appears to be set up for unloading the covered hoppers on these 1930 photos.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jun 19, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:

Another 'find' in the NPS Steamtown photo archives...
A barge full of Hercules Portland Cement covered hoppers... circa-1930;
featuring a number of early 4-bay cement hoppers in the HCCX-10xx series.

When was the last time you saw a 4-bay LO with WOODEN running boards????

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


To: erielack@...
Subject: (erielack) Steamtown Images-June 19, 2019--X Series (X7125-X7129)

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-19-19

X7125--Hoboken, NJ--Men load unloading gravel from gondola near roundhouse, electric car shed under construction [1930.04.01]
X7126--Hoboken, NJ--Tug and barge loaded with cement hoppers [1930.04.01]
X7127--Hoboken, NJ--Tug and barge loaded with cement hoppers [1930.04.01]
X7128--Hoboken, NJ--Cement hoppers on barge [1930.04.01]
X7129--Hoboken, NJ--Cement hoppers on barge [1930.04.01]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA

Phone: 570-340-5193
Cell: 570-862-6321
Check out Steamtown collection on NPGallery:    https://npgallery.nps.gov/STEA
Become a remote volunteer for Steamtown:  https://www.volunteer.gov/results.cfm?ID=17117

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Re: GN 5196 - what the?

Tim O'Connor
 

Sorry, I forgot to attach the photo.

On 6/19/2019 12:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I'm baffled by this car number - 5196 - on a 50 foot single sheathed box car.
From 1955 through at least 1972 the entire Great Northern series 5000 to 5499
was 40 foot 12 panel steel box cars built at the St Cloud shops. Any ideas?

Tim O'Connor

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


GN 5196 - what the?

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm baffled by this car number - 5196 - on a 50 foot single sheathed box car.
From 1955 through at least 1972 the entire Great Northern series 5000 to 5499
was 40 foot 12 panel steel box cars built at the St Cloud shops. Any ideas?

Tim O'Connor




--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


July op session on the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

I hope to host an Alma branch op session in July and am trying to set a date.  For me the first and last weekends are out except I could do Sunday the 7th.  The 13th, 14th, 20th, and 21st are also open.  Let me know if you are interested in any of these dates.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
706-543-8821


(erielack) Steamtown Images - June 19, 2019 - HCCX

Richard Brennan
 

Another 'find' in the NPS Steamtown photo archives...
A barge full of Hercules Portland Cement covered hoppers... circa-1930;
featuring a number of early 4-bay cement hoppers in the HCCX-10xx series.

When was the last time you saw a 4-bay LO with WOODEN running boards????

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

To: erielack@...
Subject: (erielack) Steamtown Images-June 19, 2019--X Series (X7125-X7129)

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-19-19

X7125--Hoboken, NJ--Men load unloading gravel from gondola near roundhouse, electric car shed under construction [1930.04.01]
X7126--Hoboken, NJ--Tug and barge loaded with cement hoppers [1930.04.01]
X7127--Hoboken, NJ--Tug and barge loaded with cement hoppers [1930.04.01]
X7128--Hoboken, NJ--Cement hoppers on barge [1930.04.01]
X7129--Hoboken, NJ--Cement hoppers on barge [1930.04.01]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA

Phone: 570-340-5193
Cell: 570-862-6321
Check out Steamtown collection on NPGallery: https://npgallery.nps.gov/STEA
Become a remote volunteer for Steamtown: https://www.volunteer.gov/results.cfm?ID=17117

The employees of the National Park Service care for special places that are the heritage of all Americans. Since its inception in 1916, the National Park Service has been dedicated to the preservation and management of this country's outstanding natural, historical, and recreational resources.


Re: Another slice

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Mr Weber, are you describing this 91-ton "battleship gon" car?


Al Kresse

On June 18, 2019 at 9:23 AM Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:

Thanks, Mark.   Actually, *most* of the 100 yo stuff is far easier to work with than the 50 yo stuff - the older stuff uses linen - the problem there is that the starch comes out. But it can be ironed.  Then there is the paper used during WW II - very fragile, and used (mostly) by Osgood Bradley (a lot of bus drawings are gone because of it).  Then we come to mylar - where the emulsion flakes off.  Give me linen - even floppy, post-mold linen - any day! 

We don't have issues with brittleness - save for the flat filed Osgood Bradley mentioned. These freight car drawings are now 115 years old - some of them are as clean & crisp as if they were done yesterday - beautiful piece of art. 

When I opened the tube, there were some very high contrast (non-faded) drawings of steel - deep steel - fish belly underframes.  Gorgeous stuff.  Looks like a battleship of the same era.  Lots of big rivets and bolts.

At 07:39 AM 6/18/2019, mark landgraf wrote:
Bob

It's so much fun to work with 100 year old paper.

I've found that high humidity helps temporarily get rid of the brittleness in old paper prints.

Steamtown uses a large steam box that they have. I have used a galvanized steel trash can with a few bricks in the bottom and about an inch of water in the bottom. Loosen up the rolled drawings, set them on the bricks, and place the cover on the can for a few days. Then unroll the damp drawings and place on a tabletop. In couple of hour they are ready for scanning.

At home, I've been known to hang them in the bathroom. After a couple of steamy showers, they are a lot easier to work with.

Mark

Bob Webber


 


 


CRP 89138 65ft steel gon

Andy Carlson
 

Who likes Fireman arriving when your home is on fire? Not me
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 5:22:08 PM PDT, Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...> wrote:


Who likes paying taxes ?  Not me
> On Jun 18, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> Richard decorated his car for the CRP, a short lived tax evasion scheme
> (a scheme immortalized in Paul Newman's "Young Philadelphians")
>