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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Schuyler Larrabee
 

So ‘tis.  Thanks, Ben.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?" 
https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204 

 

Yes.  The X29 class marking can be clearly seen when you enlarge the photo.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?" 
https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204 

Yes.  The X29 class marking can be clearly seen when you enlarge the photo.


Ben Hom


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

John Moore
 

I could not find Tru Scale model railroad paint as mentioned in the message string.  I could find Tru Color model railroad paint.  I believe that is the paint being referred to.

John in Albuquerque  -- --
okladivjohn@...


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 12:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

A 1942 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Note the four quadrant switch crew chalk marking near the grab iron. This is a typical pattern with a "+" sign with a letter or number code for the location, shift, carman and "ok" in the four quadrants.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, the point of my inquiry was about the markings (decals) that Bruce has.  Do they cover both steel cable (or as Bruce pointed out, wire rope) AND electrical cables?  IOW, what would he be winding on the reels?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Schuyler,

 

I was talking about REELS capable of handling either steel cable or wire like used in communications.  Both are quite heavy.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Clarity, please . . .

 

Are we talking about reels of steel CABLE or reels of WIRE?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Bruce,

 

This isn’t the answer you are looking for but it might start you in the correct direction.  Steel cable reels were alive and well in the 1970’s when I hauled them.  What I saw ranged from 6,000 to 15,000 lbs. with wire on them.

 

It seems like anything less than 5,000 lbs. was prime for wooden reels.

 

Steel reels were always returned empty.  The wooden ones not so much, but some really good ones were returned.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:29 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Folks,

 

I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?

 

This kit has a nice set of decals for cable reel labels, but when I search GOOGLE, all the steel reels seem to have very little labeling. Indeed, it looks like it might be tough to apply the decals to these reels anyway, since they have ribs on the outside and the only photo photo I have seen with a label (Okonite), has it on a placard attached to the ribs. Were steel cable reels commonly labeled in the steam era? Photos? 

 

If the decals don't work for the steel reels, I'll repurpose them for the wood reels I have. The decal set included is pretty comprehensive and amazing. Are there other decal sets to label cable reels?

 

Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next production of General American 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars.  As a reminder, this is the first plastic radial course tank offered in HO plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 8,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  Additionally, tank car lessor firm Union Tank Line purchased a very large fleet of these cars as well, decorated in the distinctive UTLX “gold on black” scheme.  Between UTLX, Deep Rock, and other schemes to come in future releases, think of this as the first “crude oil” tank car of consequence.  The GATC 1917-design prototypes were the most prolific tank cars built during this period and were found everywhere from 1917 to roughly 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 8,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

           

Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale NOW.  That’s right, no preorders!  Check them out by clicking here!

Whether wearing “plain” UTLX black lease colors or the colors of a lessee, these replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our May 2020 release includes the following four paint schemes:

 

- DMSX "Dunbar Molasses New Orleans 1919+" is our offering for the early steam-era modelers out there.  This model is offered in the attractive “Dunbar Molasses and Syrup Company” scheme with classy white stenciling on the side of the car.  Also, NEW ORLEANS, LA. is proudly stenciled on the car.  As always, this scheme comes directly off of a prototype car that matches our model.  Molasses was a common 8000 gallon tank car commodity even if it “sounds” unusual!  It was a core ingredient in foodstuffs, animal feed, vinegar, citric acid, etc.  Our Dunbar Molasses 1919+ cars come with era-correct K-brakes and are available in two road numbers.

 

- GATX " Union Starch and Refining Company 1950+" in the attractive “Union Starch and Refining Company – Quality Products From Corn” bright red scheme with accompanying white stenciling with black border.  These cars also feature “GRANITE CITY, ILLINOIS” spelled out.  This transition-era tank car is another great nationwide roamer, seen on all corners of the North American rail network hauling corn products. These models come with an AB brake system, and are available in four road numbers.

 

- UTLX "1926+ Lease" is one of two UTLX offerings in this production run: an “early” and a “later” car.  Union Tank Car Company’s UTLX lease fleet was comprised of tank cars from a variety of builders, including several large orders for GATC tank cars.  Numbering in the thousands, this fleet was part of the backbone of the large Standard Oil-owned fleet and are very relevant cars for those that need UTLX tanks – and more statistically relevant than the ACF prototypes you probably already have on your layout now (sorry, but it is true).  These nationwide service cars include a 1926 safety valve date, repack date, and paint date on the side of the car and underframe.  The car has appropriate and era-correct UTLX stenciling, and an era-correct K brake system.  This UTLX lease scheme is available in twelve road numbers.

 

- UTLX "Black Repaint 1958+" is the second of two UTLX offerings in this production run.  This scheme is the prototype repaint that was applied to UTLX cars in 1958.  The car also includes an era-appropriate AB brake system.  This UTLX lease scheme is available in six new road numbers for 2020.    
       

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling! 

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When folks claim that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and painting / decaling.  Great for those who desire to build their own. 

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 8,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach, Founder

Tangent Scale Models - “Unparalleled scale replicas for discriminating railroad modelers”

www.tangentscalemodels.com


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Likewise and to make it more complicated, cable can be called "wire rope" 😉

What I am interested in are the reels, made of steel, that carried cable or wire.

Regards,
Bruce


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 11:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads
 

Schuyler,

 

I was talking about REELS capable of handling either steel cable or wire like used in communications.  Both are quite heavy.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Clarity, please . . .

 

Are we talking about reels of steel CABLE or reels of WIRE?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Bruce,

 

This isn’t the answer you are looking for but it might start you in the correct direction.  Steel cable reels were alive and well in the 1970’s when I hauled them.  What I saw ranged from 6,000 to 15,000 lbs. with wire on them.

 

It seems like anything less than 5,000 lbs. was prime for wooden reels.

 

Steel reels were always returned empty.  The wooden ones not so much, but some really good ones were returned.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:29 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Folks,

 

I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?

 

This kit has a nice set of decals for cable reel labels, but when I search GOOGLE, all the steel reels seem to have very little labeling. Indeed, it looks like it might be tough to apply the decals to these reels anyway, since they have ribs on the outside and the only photo photo I have seen with a label (Okonite), has it on a placard attached to the ribs. Were steel cable reels commonly labeled in the steam era? Photos? 

 

If the decals don't work for the steel reels, I'll repurpose them for the wood reels I have. The decal set included is pretty comprehensive and amazing. Are there other decal sets to label cable reels?

 

Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Mont Switzer
 

Schuyler,

 

I was talking about REELS capable of handling either steel cable or wire like used in communications.  Both are quite heavy.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Clarity, please . . .

 

Are we talking about reels of steel CABLE or reels of WIRE?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Bruce,

 

This isn’t the answer you are looking for but it might start you in the correct direction.  Steel cable reels were alive and well in the 1970’s when I hauled them.  What I saw ranged from 6,000 to 15,000 lbs. with wire on them.

 

It seems like anything less than 5,000 lbs. was prime for wooden reels.

 

Steel reels were always returned empty.  The wooden ones not so much, but some really good ones were returned.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:29 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Folks,

 

I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?

 

This kit has a nice set of decals for cable reel labels, but when I search GOOGLE, all the steel reels seem to have very little labeling. Indeed, it looks like it might be tough to apply the decals to these reels anyway, since they have ribs on the outside and the only photo photo I have seen with a label (Okonite), has it on a placard attached to the ribs. Were steel cable reels commonly labeled in the steam era? Photos? 

 

If the decals don't work for the steel reels, I'll repurpose them for the wood reels I have. The decal set included is pretty comprehensive and amazing. Are there other decal sets to label cable reels?

 

Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

A 1942 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Note the four quadrant switch crew chalk marking near the grab iron. This is a typical pattern with a "+" sign with a letter or number code for the location, shift, carman and "ok" in the four quadrants.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Iron Ore In Gondolas & Hoppers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Iron Ore In Gondolas & Hoppers

A 1952 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/17874/rec/972

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Perhaps this is limestone and not iron ore?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Clarity, please . . .

 

Are we talking about reels of steel CABLE or reels of WIRE?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Bruce,

 

This isn’t the answer you are looking for but it might start you in the correct direction.  Steel cable reels were alive and well in the 1970’s when I hauled them.  What I saw ranged from 6,000 to 15,000 lbs. with wire on them.

 

It seems like anything less than 5,000 lbs. was prime for wooden reels.

 

Steel reels were always returned empty.  The wooden ones not so much, but some really good ones were returned.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:29 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Folks,

 

I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?

 

This kit has a nice set of decals for cable reel labels, but when I search GOOGLE, all the steel reels seem to have very little labeling. Indeed, it looks like it might be tough to apply the decals to these reels anyway, since they have ribs on the outside and the only photo photo I have seen with a label (Okonite), has it on a placard attached to the ribs. Were steel cable reels commonly labeled in the steam era? Photos? 

 

If the decals don't work for the steel reels, I'll repurpose them for the wood reels I have. The decal set included is pretty comprehensive and amazing. Are there other decal sets to label cable reels?

 

Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP "See Though" Boxcar 195220

A 1953 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/20067/rec/494

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

I know other railroads had similar cars. Does anyone know more about the history of this car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Agreed, Todd.  My April ’50 ORER lists the series as 93000-94499. With 115 cars sill in service.

 

I do wish that when Westerfield’s website (Andrew Dahm’s now) said “click to enlarge” it actually did enlarge to a worthwhile image to check things out.  *whine over*

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 10:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033

 

I think that MC auto boxcar is similar or the same as the Westerfield kits here

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=98_295

Todd Sullivan


Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I ordered from them recently, great service and pleasant guy on the phone.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 10:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

 

The "he" at Des Plaines Hobbies was Ron Sebastian whom we tragically lost late last summer.

Is his widow, Susan,, running the store now?  Don't know but she has always been as pleasant

to work with as Ron always was.

 

Don Valentine


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Mont Switzer
 

Bruce,

 

This isn’t the answer you are looking for but it might start you in the correct direction.  Steel cable reels were alive and well in the 1970’s when I hauled them.  What I saw ranged from 6,000 to 15,000 lbs. with wire on them.

 

It seems like anything less than 5,000 lbs. was prime for wooden reels.

 

Steel reels were always returned empty.  The wooden ones not so much, but some really good ones were returned.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:29 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads

 

Folks,

 

I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?

 

This kit has a nice set of decals for cable reel labels, but when I search GOOGLE, all the steel reels seem to have very little labeling. Indeed, it looks like it might be tough to apply the decals to these reels anyway, since they have ribs on the outside and the only photo photo I have seen with a label (Okonite), has it on a placard attached to the ribs. Were steel cable reels commonly labeled in the steam era? Photos? 

 

If the decals don't work for the steel reels, I'll repurpose them for the wood reels I have. The decal set included is pretty comprehensive and amazing. Are there other decal sets to label cable reels?

 

Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Norm Buckhart
 

On May 29, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Ed was the color consultant for Tru Color, ergo Tru Color offers both freight car colors.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.ioOn Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 6:18 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown
 

Ed Hawkins’ scan of ATSF paint samples from 1931 and 1945 (PPG) show a 'red shift'


the text in the center paragraph was written by Richard and gives the TCP numbers and dates applied:




On 5/28/2020 8:15 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
otto kroutil wrote:
 
Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?
 
     Richard did not believe the Santa Fe changed its Mineral Brown color in 1945, though he freely acknowledged that shop applications varied.
 
Tony Thompson

-- 
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts



Re: PRR 254288

Clark Propst
 

I checked with the person that owns the train lists. Never thought about the fact that the list are past this groups end date...He found 3-4 more cars returning and a few cars coming north with loads. Silica sand most were fertilizer materials. Nice to know there's a reason for guys modeling this area to have one of these cars.
CW Propst 


Cable Reel Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?

This kit has a nice set of decals for cable reel labels, but when I search GOOGLE, all the steel reels seem to have very little labeling. Indeed, it looks like it might be tough to apply the decals to these reels anyway, since they have ribs on the outside and the only photo photo I have seen with a label (Okonite), has it on a placard attached to the ribs. Were steel cable reels commonly labeled in the steam era? Photos? 

If the decals don't work for the steel reels, I'll repurpose them for the wood reels I have. The decal set included is pretty comprehensive and amazing. Are there other decal sets to label cable reels?

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Evangeline Railway

Paul Doggett
 

Jim

Thank you I will pass this onto my friend.

Paul Doggett.

On 29 May 2020, at 13:44, Jim Ogden <sjogden@att.net> wrote:

I think Gifford Hill operated a gravel pit in Evangeline parish (that’s a county elsewhere) and this is fairly close to where a north-south Rock Island joined the East-west Gulf Coast Lines (Frisco in B.F. Yoakum days but later Mopac and UP). This has a lot of modeling possibilities.

This gravel operation would make a great connection for a model railroad circa 1950 with a healthy appetite for the F&C T&NO gons, along with MoPac/TP or Rock Island. I think the F&C MoPac panel side gons now have an interior. Sunshine Models did the TP 40’ gons but today the best bet is to modify Accurail’s kit.

Jim Ogden
(Who escaped Louisiana)



Re: Evangeline Railway

Jim Ogden
 

I think Gifford Hill operated a gravel pit in Evangeline parish (that’s a county elsewhere) and this is fairly close to where a north-south Rock Island joined the East-west Gulf Coast Lines (Frisco in B.F. Yoakum days but later Mopac and UP). This has a lot of modeling possibilities.

This gravel operation would make a great connection for a model railroad circa 1950 with a healthy appetite for the F&C T&NO gons, along with MoPac/TP or Rock Island. I think the F&C MoPac panel side gons now have an interior. Sunshine Models did the TP 40’ gons but today the best bet is to modify Accurail’s kit.

Jim Ogden
(Who escaped Louisiana)

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