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Re: Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

Curt Fortenberry
 


I buy the micro drills off ebay, the ones with the larger shank, usually with a size coded color ring.  They say used but all the ones I've bought have been sharp.  I've never had one break in plastic.  The only time I break one is in a resin part, even with lubrication.  I've bought multi size sets, but now buy the bulk sets of the size I break the most.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

steve_wintner
 

A long time ago I found a stock of spade drills - watchmakers drills, if i recall correctly - on eBay. Hundreds, in little tins of like 12 each. They certainly are sharp, came in a variety of sizes (.010, .013, .014, etc) etc. I've not used them on steel but they go through brass and styrene just fine in a pin vise.

I'll admit i had doubts about the roundness, clean cut, and size of the result. But they work just fine, and are more durable than tiny twist drills.

This sort of thing : https://www.esslinger.com/mascot-flat-pivot-drills-004-050-sold-individually/ 

You may want to see if you can find an economical source and try them.

Steve


Re: Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

Pierre Oliver
 

Denny,

Try these guys. More drill its than you'll ever want to know about
https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Holemaking/Drilling-Drill-Bits/Metalworking-Multipurpose-Drill-Bits/Micro-Drill-Bits?navid=12106217

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 7/24/19 4:39 p.m., Denny Anspach wrote:

My most hateful modeling chore is locating and drilling for grabs and handrails, etc. I machine drill when i can with carbide drills, but practically,  most have to be done by hand; and I am totally frustrated by the sheer plethora of dull #78-80 twist drills that seem to be endlessly supplied to us by almost all usual hobby vendors. This morning, after a failure to adequately be able to hand drill through some tough plastic (#79), I tossed the errant drill in favor of a new one, also from a popular hobby supplier.  The new one could not cut butter either, and in the attempt to do so actually  bent over (did..not..break!) at a right angle like bending a wire!  Now, I do have a large supply of sharp (and brittle) carbide tip drills, but they are too risky to use with hand drilling- as you all already know.

So....where do you all find high quality reliably sharp tiny twist drills, most favorably from American, German, Swiss, or Japanese origins?

Denny 


Re: freight car paint schemes was:[RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for your good “review” Charlie. I appreciate your interest.

Perhaps you might like an export of the full timeline which includes 1600 entries ranging from brakes to underframes. Same caveats: data entry has been casual and it focus is on box cars. It’s yours for whatever feedback you might be motivated to offer.

I’m interested in your mention of cut-off date. I assume this means the date of your modeling and things— paint schemes, car series, appliances, etc, —that occur in the future are avoided. If I have this right there is a modestly developed aspect of the box car database that allows export of active car series by presidential election year, that is every four years 1892-1980. The bulk of the needed data entries are clumped between 1912-1960 for cars built, rebuilt, or renumbered between 1910-1944. Send me your cut-off date and I’ll see what comes up for the nearest preceding and post-ceding vote date. I’ve not tried this function before, having been focused on data entry—the function’s value increases with each datum. Whatever comes out will not be complete but will be informative at some level. 
Cheers,
Eric


Re: Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

Jack Burgess
 

Denny…

 

I’ve been buying from Drill Bit City for years. Their website is a little hard to navigate so I bookmarked the two types of drill bits that I use:

 

Regular small drill bits:

https://drillcity.stores.yahoo.net/highspeedtools.html

 

Carbide small drill bits:

https://drillcity.stores.yahoo.net/10wirsizpac8.html

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 1:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

 

My most hateful modeling chore is locating and drilling for grabs and handrails, etc. I machine drill when i can with carbide drills, but practically,  most have to be done by hand; and I am totally frustrated by the sheer plethora of dull #78-80 twist drills that seem to be endlessly supplied to us by almost all usual hobby vendors. This morning, after a failure to adequately be able to hand drill through some tough plastic (#79), I tossed the errant drill in favor of a new one, also from a popular hobby supplier.  The new one could not cut butter either, and in the attempt to do so actually  bent over (did..not..break!) at a right angle like bending a wire!  Now, I do have a large supply of sharp (and brittle) carbide tip drills, but they are too risky to use with hand drilling- as you all already know.

So....where do you all find high quality reliably sharp tiny twist drills, most favorably from American, German, Swiss, or Japanese origins?

Denny 


Re: Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

anthony wagner
 

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 3:39:13 PM CDT, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:


My most hateful modeling chore is locating and drilling for grabs and handrails, etc. I machine drill when i can with carbide drills, but practically,  most have to be done by hand; and I am totally frustrated by the sheer plethora of dull #78-80 twist drills that seem to be endlessly supplied to us by almost all usual hobby vendors. This morning, after a failure to adequately be able to hand drill through some tough plastic (#79), I tossed the errant drill in favor of a new one, also from a popular hobby supplier.  The new one could not cut butter either, and in the attempt to do so actually  bent over (did..not..break!) at a right angle like bending a wire!  Now, I do have a large supply of sharp (and brittle) carbide tip drills, but they are too risky to use with hand drilling- as you all already know.

So....where do you all find high quality reliably sharp tiny twist drills, most favorably from American, German, Swiss, or Japanese origins?

Denny 


Sources for machinist/watchmaker-quality small twist drills redux

Denny Anspach
 

My most hateful modeling chore is locating and drilling for grabs and handrails, etc. I machine drill when i can with carbide drills, but practically,  most have to be done by hand; and I am totally frustrated by the sheer plethora of dull #78-80 twist drills that seem to be endlessly supplied to us by almost all usual hobby vendors. This morning, after a failure to adequately be able to hand drill through some tough plastic (#79), I tossed the errant drill in favor of a new one, also from a popular hobby supplier.  The new one could not cut butter either, and in the attempt to do so actually  bent over (did..not..break!) at a right angle like bending a wire!  Now, I do have a large supply of sharp (and brittle) carbide tip drills, but they are too risky to use with hand drilling- as you all already know.

So....where do you all find high quality reliably sharp tiny twist drills, most favorably from American, German, Swiss, or Japanese origins?

Denny 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Brian Carlson
 

It was brand new at the Greensburg show in March.

Brian J. Carlson

On Jul 24, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Ralph Brown wrote:

F&C now also offers an F28 and an F34. I bought one of each at the NE Proto
meet last month. I've to open either box, but they're anything like the
P&LE F-7, they should be very nice.
I don't see the F-7 on the F&C web page. Is it brand new?

Tony Thompson
tony@...






Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tony,

Yes, I think so. It's kit number 8480. I didn't find it on their website either, but I have one underway.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Ralph Brown wrote:

F&C now also offers an F28 and an F34. I bought one of each at the NE Proto
meet last month. I've to open either box, but they're anything like the
P&LE F-7, they should be very nice.
I don't see the F-7 on the F&C web page. Is it brand new?

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Tony Thompson
 

Ralph Brown wrote:

F&C now also offers an F28 and an F34. I bought one of each at the NE Proto
meet last month. I've to open either box, but they're anything like the
P&LE F-7, they should be very nice.
I don't see the F-7 on the F&C web page. Is it brand new?

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Workbench Wednesday

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Eric,

Is this a Pullman lightweight car?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/24/19 7:03 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

We take a peek at something on Frank Hodina's workbench in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/workbench-wednesday-25/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy



Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ralph;

Good to know.

I took my F25 out of the box, and it is, indeed, VERY nice. F&C has stepped up their game.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Hi Elden, et al.,

F&C now also offers an F28 and an F34. I bought one of each at the NE Proto
meet last month. I've to open either box, but they're anything like the
P&LE F-7, they should be very nice.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Ron;

I never finished my draft of who owned what (and it did change dramatically
over time), but I started with the section called "heavy capacity and
special type flat cars" (in my case p.972-977 of the ORER of Jan 1964). My
intention was to put together as complete a list as possible. With
kits/models.

Just as an example of kits, F&C does the B&M well flat with load (a very
nice kit), F&C also does PRR F25 now (whoopee!), F29, F33 in resin, and also
the P&LE F-7 six-axle with all-new sideframes.

Railworks did, with a little help, the PRR's F25, F28, F29, F31, F33, F34,
F35, F36, F37/37A/37B, F42, F43, F44, and FD-1; heavy duty or "special"
(well, well hole, etc.) flats. The GSC cast steel PRR flats were F30A,
F30D, F34, F41/41A/41B (IIRC), F42, F43, F44 and F38??, FD1

Tangent has done a RTR PRR F47 and other HD GSC 60' flats. As always, VERY
nice.

E&P did a GSC 6-axle that several roads bought, but I'd have to go through
the ORER to make a guess on who. They varied in deck length, deck height
and other dimensions.

Rail Classics and Alco, also did the F38 (former), and "Queen Mary" 16-axle,
all very heavy duty.

Eastern Car Works did a NYC cast steel flat, that needs a lot of love.

Walthers and Tichy have done the 52' "Commonwealth" flats, though they both
also need some work.

Red Ball did, once upon a time, a pot metal and wood PRR "f25", P&LE "heavy
duty", and at least one more.

The brass cars are hard to find, but keep trying, especially on estate sales
and big brass sellers.

And if someone doesn't find THIS cool, they are dead.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Now for something completely different on the subject of heavy duty flats.

Thanks to the groups.io search function, I found a message by Elden Gatwood
(43018) from 2005, plus 24 replies. Long after they were produced, I
learned about the Railworks brass flatcars, which this message discusses,
and I had forgotten or never knew that E&P Associates had also made some
brass flatcar models.

I'm thinking specifically of the GSC six-axle flatcars, and I believe there
is a rundown of which railroads owned the different versions of that car but
I haven't found the reference yet. I've been haunting eBay and
brasstrains.com, waiting to see one come up, but I'm not entirely sure what
I would be looking for until I see it. My interest is specifically in the
two MP ones. There was a flat-deck one also, cast steel, but it was quite
different from the F34 with two three-axle trucks and a longer center
section.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Schuyler;

I saw one painted for Erie at one point. Given their giant clearances, they got a lot of H&W loads.

Yeah, most brass trucks are cr@p. I routinely replace them on cars I run, with plastic equivalent with good wheelsets.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

E&P did two flats (at least) that are good for ERIE. I have a "General Steel Industries 58' Depressed Center Car" that's not painted, and I also have another E&P car that IS painted . . . somewhere. My collection is somewhat randomly stored being between residences. I will look for t'other one.

The 58' car has six-wheel trucks that unfortunately do not roll well. Actually, don't roll worth a damn.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Ron;

I never finished my draft of who owned what (and it did change dramatically over time), but I started with the section called "heavy capacity and special type flat cars" (in my case p.972-977 of the ORER of Jan 1964). My intention was to put together as complete a list as possible. With kits/models.

Just as an example of kits, F&C does the B&M well flat with load (a very nice kit), F&C also does PRR F25 now (whoopee!), F29, F33 in resin, and also the P&LE F-7 six-axle with all-new sideframes.

Railworks did, with a little help, the PRR's F25, F28, F29, F31, F33, F34, F35, F36, F37/37A/37B, F42, F43, F44, and FD-1; heavy duty or "special" (well, well hole, etc.) flats. The GSC cast steel PRR flats were F30A, F30D, F34, F41/41A/41B (IIRC), F42, F43, F44 and F38??, FD1

Tangent has done a RTR PRR F47 and other HD GSC 60' flats. As always, VERY nice.

E&P did a GSC 6-axle that several roads bought, but I'd have to go through the ORER to make a guess on who. They varied in deck length, deck height and other dimensions.

Rail Classics and Alco, also did the F38 (former), and "Queen Mary" 16-axle, all very heavy duty.

Eastern Car Works did a NYC cast steel flat, that needs a lot of love.

Walthers and Tichy have done the 52' "Commonwealth" flats, though they both also need some work.

Red Ball did, once upon a time, a pot metal and wood PRR "f25", P&LE "heavy duty", and at least one more.

The brass cars are hard to find, but keep trying, especially on estate sales and big brass sellers.

And if someone doesn't find THIS cool, they are dead.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Now for something completely different on the subject of heavy duty flats.

Thanks to the groups.io search function, I found a message by Elden Gatwood (43018) from 2005, plus 24 replies. Long after they were produced, I learned about the Railworks brass flatcars, which this message discusses, and I had forgotten or never knew that E&P Associates had also made some brass flatcar models.

I'm thinking specifically of the GSC six-axle flatcars, and I believe there is a rundown of which railroads owned the different versions of that car but I haven't found the reference yet. I've been haunting eBay and brasstrains.com, waiting to see one come up, but I'm not entirely sure what I would be looking for until I see it. My interest is specifically in the two MP ones. There was a flat-deck one also, cast steel, but it was quite different from the F34 with two three-axle trucks and a longer center section.

Ron Merrick


Workbench Wednesday

Eric Hansmann
 

We take a peek at something on Frank Hodina's workbench in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/workbench-wednesday-25/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Don,

F&C did the Buckeye end, but only on their Erie milk car. AFAIK, this car was also based on the ARA 1932 design. I have a pair of the milk cars which I bought to use on another layout concept, and due to changing interests never assembled. In comparison with the other two unassembled F&C 1932 boxcars I have in my pile, the ends seem to be a perfect match. I was planning on matching the boxcar sides to the Buckeye ends and Viking roof to do the Erie boxcar. I haven't figured out what to do with reefer sides (the door is too wide), so these would still end up as a freelanced car. (Sigh).

A moot point anyway, as most of my model railroad time is now devoted to O-scale British narrow gauge, the freelance Scottish Midlands Light Railway. Once I had seen and ridden behind those "Great Little Trains", they got under my skin, and Scotland, well, "tis thee hame o'mine ayne folk" (meaning my ancestors).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff (a proud Napier, Ferguson and Wilson descendant)

On 7/23/19 7:02 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Garth,

    I have Ted's book and a few other photos of the 1932 cars. I have only five of the Atlas cars and may
have gotten confused on the Seaboard car becasue I juts brought it out and find it had never been opened.
It has been now and is the correct Type 2 car with the correct 11 panel flat roof. Mine has the "Route of
the Orange Blossom Special" lettering as road #18047 but Atlas has also offered the Seaboard car with
that nomenclatureand just the simple Seaboard lettering. I believe it is the N.C.&St.L. car that may have
the wrong roof as from your list it appears that should also be a Type 2 model but mine is a type 7 with
a Murphy 12 panel roof and flat, riveted end.. My next model of these cars is MEC #4499 which, as it is
supposed to be, is a Type 1. There were still a few of these around when I first became professionally
involved with the MEC 50 years ago, though bu that tinme they were painted green, not brown! Lastly I
have a pair of the Erie version, one with the original small diamond herald the other with the larger version.
To hell with this 'logo' nonsense and the lack of respect that infers, it is a herald or an emblem to me. New
England Yankee to the core that I am, these Erie cars are still the nicest part of the 1932 ARA cars from
Atlas IMHO. They are the only models I have ever seen with a correct Buckeye end and Atlas has done
a superb job with them, Having them with both sizes of Erie diamond heralds is simply the frosting on the
cake. I do not understand how Atlas could do such a superlative job with these 1932 ARA series cars and
fall flat on their faces as they did with the USRA rebuilds. I will own more of these 1932 ARA cars before
being done with them as they are a great addition to my 1948 car fleet.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Ghost White Toner Again

Richard Brennan
 

At 03:38 PM 7/23/2019, A&Y Dave in MD wrote:
Practice makes perfect. Get some black or blue construction paper and try printing some tests.
Oh NO!!! You mean I have to throw away the dark pink cover stock I've been testing on???

Seriously... this is excellent advice.
...and I swear that the decals print better if I've 'exercised' the GhostWhite toner on the cover stock first.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

Did Richard do resin NSC ends. Those intrigue me. I wasn’t aware anybody did them before Sylvan
The ones I saw were resin. Don't know who did the masters. Greg Martin has the molds for these.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

Brian Carlson
 

Did Richard do resin NSC ends. Those intrigue me. I wasn’t aware anybody did them before Sylvan

Brian J. Carlson

On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:


Tony, here is my list of Westrail kits (Athearn kitbash kits) -

R-1301 NP reefer
R-1201 ART reefer prewar 62000-62499 etc
R-120 ART reefer 229790-24999 (?? that's what it says)
R-1220 ART reefer 26000-28899
R-1010 PFE R-40-10
R-1022 PFE R-40-14
R-1023 PFE R-40-20
R-1030 PFE R-40-23
B-202 ATSF Bx-34 Scout
B-3953 CN NSC 9-rib "1945"
B-3954 CN NSC 9-rib "1954"


Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

Tony Thompson
 

Going by Richard's instruction originals, here is how they seemed to be organized:

Box cars
100 series, ATSF "War Emergency" box cars, Class Bx-38
200 series, ATSF Duryea underframe Class Bx-34
300 series, ATSF steel box cars, classes Bx-37 and Bx-43
400 series, ATSF World War II rebuilds, classes Bx-41, -42, -45, -46, -49
3900 series, CN cars with NSC ribbed ends

Reefers
1000 series, numerous reefers, starting with PFE but including ART and others

Flat cars
F100 series, UP, NP, ACL (maybe D&GRW) and other 50-ton flat cars

I still do not know how many variations in lettering he may have done within all the series, though obviously the box cars were very heavily Santa Fe.
I have a letter from him, in which he said he would send me a list of all the reefers, but if he sent it, I can't recall and certainly can't find it.


Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Schuyler Larrabee
 

E&P did two flats (at least) that are good for ERIE. I have a "General Steel Industries 58' Depressed Center Car" that's not painted, and I also have another E&P car that IS painted . . . somewhere. My collection is somewhat randomly stored being between residences. I will look for t'other one.

The 58' car has six-wheel trucks that unfortunately do not roll well. Actually, don't roll worth a damn.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Ron;

I never finished my draft of who owned what (and it did change dramatically over time), but I started with the section called "heavy capacity and special type flat cars" (in my case p.972-977 of the ORER of Jan 1964). My intention was to put together as complete a list as possible. With kits/models.

Just as an example of kits, F&C does the B&M well flat with load (a very nice kit), F&C also does PRR F25 now (whoopee!), F29, F33 in resin, and also the P&LE F-7 six-axle with all-new sideframes.

Railworks did, with a little help, the PRR's F25, F28, F29, F31, F33, F34, F35, F36, F37/37A/37B, F42, F43, F44, and FD-1; heavy duty or "special" (well, well hole, etc.) flats. The GSC cast steel PRR flats were F30A, F30D, F34, F41/41A/41B (IIRC), F42, F43, F44 and F38??, FD1

Tangent has done a RTR PRR F47 and other HD GSC 60' flats. As always, VERY nice.

E&P did a GSC 6-axle that several roads bought, but I'd have to go through the ORER to make a guess on who. They varied in deck length, deck height and other dimensions.

Rail Classics and Alco, also did the F38 (former), and "Queen Mary" 16-axle, all very heavy duty.

Eastern Car Works did a NYC cast steel flat, that needs a lot of love.

Walthers and Tichy have done the 52' "Commonwealth" flats, though they both also need some work.

Red Ball did, once upon a time, a pot metal and wood PRR "f25", P&LE "heavy duty", and at least one more.

The brass cars are hard to find, but keep trying, especially on estate sales and big brass sellers.

And if someone doesn't find THIS cool, they are dead.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Depressed center flats

Now for something completely different on the subject of heavy duty flats.

Thanks to the groups.io search function, I found a message by Elden Gatwood (43018) from 2005, plus 24 replies. Long after they were produced, I learned about the Railworks brass flatcars, which this message discusses, and I had forgotten or never knew that E&P Associates had also made some brass flatcar models.

I'm thinking specifically of the GSC six-axle flatcars, and I believe there is a rundown of which railroads owned the different versions of that car but I haven't found the reference yet. I've been haunting eBay and brasstrains.com, waiting to see one come up, but I'm not entirely sure what I would be looking for until I see it. My interest is specifically in the two MP ones. There was a flat-deck one also, cast steel, but it was quite different from the F34 with two three-axle trucks and a longer center section.

Ron Merrick