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Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Lombard
 

The IC did not acquire *any* 50 foo  


On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:43 AM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Lombard
 

Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Etched freight car ladders

Pierre Oliver
 

The reason I started creating etched ladders was 2 fold.
One, I was finding it difficult to get all the ladder rung spacings that I desired. A good example is the 12" rung spacing in the upcoming N&W B-3 kit I'll be offering.
Two, I get real tired of plastic ladders splitting down the centre as I desprue them.
And as a bonus, it`s now real easy to create ladders of different widths. The NP '37 AAR boxcar had side ladders 18"wide and end ladders 15"wide

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/06/19 9:34 a.m., pennsylvania1954 wrote:

I know I am committing heresy, but I am going to ask anyway: why are etched car ladders "better" than plastic? Square rungs? Folded stiles? Really?

Sorry, I don't see it. DA 6241 and 6242 as well as Kadee's very nice ladders are fabulous. And there are others. Am I missing something?
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Etched freight car ladders

Tim O'Connor
 

You're missing something, yes.

The Detail Associates ladders are beautiful - if you are building 10'6" tall box cars.

And my stash of them are running very low. They probably will never be produced again.

Kadee ladders are beautiful too - if you want 7 rung PS-1 ladders for 10'6" box cars.

Tim O'Connor

On 5/6/2019 9:34 AM, pennsylvania1954 wrote:
I know I am committing heresy, but I am going to ask anyway: why are etched car ladders "better" than plastic? Square rungs? Folded stiles? Really?

Sorry, I don't see it. DA 6241 and 6242 as well as Kadee's very nice ladders are fabulous. And there are others. Am I missing something?
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Roof Name help

Tim O'Connor
 

When did Hutchins adopt this style, with the two raised "ribs" instead
of just one?

Tim O'

On 5/6/2019 6:47 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
Indeed Tom yes the classic and in its time the ubiquitous Hutchins roof.

Bill Welch
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Etched freight car ladders

pennsylvania1954
 

I know I am committing heresy, but I am going to ask anyway: why are etched car ladders "better" than plastic? Square rungs? Folded stiles? Really?

Sorry, I don't see it. DA 6241 and 6242 as well as Kadee's very nice ladders are fabulous. And there are others. Am I missing something?
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

A little more work to get the Hutchins DL roof right.  It will wor for me.
Lester Breuer

Re: Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.

Douglas Harding
 

Don I found some additional photos of Philips Petroleum tank cars. And one that is not a tank car, but rather a drop center flat car designed to carry propane tanks.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.

 

Don a quick google search reveals

https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=PH004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Petroleum_Company

Phillips was based in Bartlesville Oklahoma, started in 1917. By 1925 it was the largest producer of natural gas liquids.

 

The founders had roots in Iowa https://data.desmoinesregister.com/famous-iowans/le-and-frank-phillips

 

Attached are photos I have of Phillips Petroleum cars, etc. Some of the photos came from the Barriger Library Collection. The company leased tankcars from Shippers.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 1:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.

 

Hi folks,

 

    During my late 1940's modeling period Phillips Petroleum cars were seen quite often on the trackage of the former Connecticut & Passumpsic Rivers RR between white River Junction & Newport, Vermont. In that period the track north of Wells River, roughly the half way point, was owned by the CPR which bought it in 1946 after leasing it since 1926, while that south of Wells River was

by the Boston & Maine. It was also jointly operated with both railroads providing equipment and crews. Phil Hastings took photos

in this area often, being raised in Bradford on the B&M section of the line. Over the years Phil provided me with a number of photos

of operations in the area, a couple of which show the Phillips Petroleum cars. All of them appear to have been for LNG or LPG and

of the ICC 105A300W or 104A types. I know #15001 was an 11,000 gal. car of Type 104A and believe it was originally constructed in Sept. 1927. Most of these cars were painted completely black with white lettering and a large "Philgas" painted on the right end of the tank. Does anyone have any further information on these cars, especially where they were coming from or going to? There were over 600 at least similar cars owned or leased by Phillips that carried PSPX reporting marks with the majority being 11,000 gal. cars, some being 10,500 gal, and a very few being of lesser or different capacity. If any of these cars prove to be very close to either the Broadway or Atlas tank cars of this type my intent is to lobby them to produce some. Yeah, I know, go kick a hydrant, bit I've had some luck with both previously.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: some type of milk car?

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Not sure what cars Bill Daniels is refering to as identical to these as I do not recall photos of any silk cars having ice hatches.
In addition I do not recall any silk cars being owned by any eastern railroads. From what is seen I concur with Mike that these are in fact milk cars for milk shipped in cans. I wonder why they had ice hatches, however, since milk in cans was top iced with the ice being shoveled amongst the cans. Note, too, the end doors, which I'll bet disappeared in the first resheathing of the ends. The bottom of the doors appears to be just about the height of the top of standard 40 qt. milk cans carried in a single layer. Most can cars had racks attached to the interior side walls with short pieces of chain that could be swung down over the bottom layer of cans to provide a stable foundation for a second layer. With the exception of the ice hatches and the end doors these car are very similar to DL&W milk cars used for can shipment in the post war years,six of which were sold to the Rutland in early 1954 becoming Rutland #350 - #355, all of which were sold in the late spring of 1961. #350 was ex-DL&W #1667 and #351 was
ex-DL&W #1654. I do not have the DL&W numbers for the other four cars. All of these were stated to have been constructed in
1925 in the Rutland Car Accountant's record book but the builder was not identified. Rail Works offered brass models of at least'
very similar DL&W cars in brass in both DL&W and Rutland versions.

Cordially, Don Valentine - a former can shipper before going to a bulk tank.

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Name help

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

Here are both types. Yes, indeed, the center embossing on the 1925 design runs short of the edge.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 9:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Name help

I checked the drawings ( I was using) in the August 2001 Model Railroader drawn by Harold W. Russell where the center rib stamping looks to be to the roof edge, maybe an inch off; however, in the 1922 Car Builders as Dave Parker wrote the center rib stamping is a few inches short of the roof edge.
Lester Breuer

Etched freight car ladders

Eric Hansmann
 

Plano Model Products is introducing etched metal freight car ladders to their extensive line of details. We take an early look at the product in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/more-etched-ladders/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Indeed Tom yes the classic and in its time the ubiquitous Hutchins roof.

Bill Welch

Re: Roof Name help

Tom Madden
 

Is this the roof we're talking about? Taken at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA over 20 years ago.

Tom Madden

Re: B&O C-16 Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bruce. How widely did the B&O C-16 cars roam? Were they ever sent to the West Coast, e.g. interchanged in Chicago to the CB&Q or other Midwestern roads with West Coast connections?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O C-16 Question

 

Nelson,

FWIW I can confirm a C-16 was an express car for passenger service and they were coach olive green until early 1947 and then repaints were BandO blue (no gold stripe like other express car classes). 125 M-53 boxcars car were converted to this service in the early 40s. And by 1949 only 25 C-16 were on the roster and only five were blue. Car numbers after 1949 were 1875 to 1899. By 1959, all were converted back to M-53 boxcars. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD.

Re: B&O C-16 Question

Bruce Griffin
 

Nelson,

FWIW I can confirm a C-16 was an express car for passenger service and they were coach olive green until early 1947 and then repaints were BandO blue (no gold stripe like other express car classes). 125 M-53 boxcars car were converted to this service in the early 40s. And by 1949 only 25 C-16 were on the roster and only five were blue. Car numbers after 1949 were 1875 to 1899. By 1959, all were converted back to M-53 boxcars. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD.

Re: Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

I checked the drawings ( I was using) in the August 2001 Model Railroader drawn by Harold W. Russell where the center rib stamping looks to be to the roof edge, maybe an inch off; however, in the 1922 Car Builders as Dave Parker wrote the center rib stamping is a few inches  short of the roof edge.
Lester Breuer

Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

The Yarmouth roof lacks the "V" shaped stamping at the end of the roof ribs plus the stamping in the middle of the panel extends to the edge of the roof. I think this incorrect. The "V" shape can be carved and filed into the rib. Dick Bale's article in Dec. 2016 MRH has a good illustration of the Hutchins Roof

Bill Welch

Re: Roof Name help

Kemal Mumcu
 

http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/FreightCarParts#roofs

The Sylvan line went to Yarmouth model works. Only 8 bucks and available today.

Colin Meikle

Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I may at best the poorest person with a saw in this group and even I can saw the roof from the Accurail 8-panel car and that is before the razerblade saw became available.

Bill Welch