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Re: Intermountain ART reefer

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Brian,
I had a similar experience about a year and a half ago with an
undecorated 12 panel 40' boxcar kit from Intermountain.
Parts like bracket grabs were poorly registered, excess flash, etc.
The biggest error was the registration pins on the car ends. Somehow
the mold halves had slipped to more than a scale 6". Requiring that
the pins be filed off and the end glued without them. Not a terribly
big deal, but rather annoying. Certainly not the kind of thing I'd
come to expect from Intermountain.
As a result I've decided to avoid Intermountain kits and the possible
frustration.
Like you I wondered about the roaring silence on issues such as these.

Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:

Bought three of these kits from the Amarillo Museum, and am very
disappointed with the quality of the castings provided by Intermountain.

Many of the smaller parts are close to unusable due to poor
registration of
the die halves. For example, the hatch stops, instead of being a curved
piece of flat stock, are two-level in a way I cannot describe. Think
of a
round grab iron, cast as two half-circles, slightly (but visibly)
off-center. This problem includes the brake step supports, not to
mention
the mounting pins for these parts.

The side ladders supplied (and there are two kinds) mount into four
holes in
the body. Problem is both sets of ladders have 6 pins (easy enough to
correct). Oh, wait, one set of ladders is too tall. And the other set of
ladders has one set of end pins offset, so they won¹t even match the car
side holes.

And then, there is the overall crudeness of the parts themselves.
The hatch
bars (the ones that support the hatch in the open position, and hold
them
closed) won¹t fit thru the holes in the hatches. And I won¹t even
get into
the scale 6² thick brake rod.

Overall, I¹m extremely disappointed in Intermountain¹s ART reefer kit.

Has anyone else noticed these things? And if so, why keep quiet
about it?
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni


asbestos

ed_mines
 

I worked in the now closed, former GAF floor tile plant in Vails Gate,
NY about 1980.

Asbestos was supplied in bales which were compressed cubes of material
in polyethylene plastic wrappers. After being split open and dumped the
remaining plastic was also tossed in the Banbury mixer (bags would
probably have to be removed by a hazardous waste hauler).

PVC resin came in ACF 4 bay covered hoppers (the plant used 2 or 3 a
week at least). Limestone came from across the Hudson in tanker trucks
(unloaded pneumaticly). Plasticizer came by tank truck.

In the 2 years I worked at the plant I only saw a billboard hopper once
(the Staufer billboard that Athearn offered). I saw a vertical ribbed
covered hopper once or twice.

The plant didn't use enough asbestos to handle it in bulk.

Ed


Re: Air hose bracket and air hose part

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:

Simulating the hose with flexible material is easily done in O
scale. PSC sells kits that contain all the parts.

For those of you using rigid hoses, you can come up with something
that will give by joining the hose train line stub to the train
line using some wire insulation. This holds the hose in place but
allows it to give when bumped.

Rod
Unfortunately, PSC doesn't make the same set in HO. The O scale set
comes with a piece of soft plastic tube for the hose, with cast brass
angle cock and gladhand, both of which have studs that fit into the
"hose".

In HO, PSC has combined the gladhand and angle cock with a metal hose.
Although it is one of the better offerings in HO, it does not come
with the proper bracket for the end of a freight car.

I use these on passenger cars, in fact IIRC they come as a set of two
brake hoses (with angle cocks), two signal hoses (without), and a pair
of brackets meant to mount both brake and signal hoses to the end of a
passenger car floor.

Interestingly, a while back I got the strange ides to model a tail
hose (if you don't know what a tail hose is, ask on the
PassengerCarList :-) I found a brass tank drain that would work for
the valve, filed the pipe down until it would slip into a length of
wire insulation stripped from a micro bulb lead, and soldered on a
piece of wire that was formed into the hook that hangs on the tail
gate. The other end needed to be coupled to the cast gladhand on the
end of the PSC hose, and I found that a Detail Associates wire eye pin
was just the right diameter to "couple" to the gladhand, only needing
a bit of solder to make it stay put. The "hose" was then cut to length
and slipped on the wire. The end result is a PSC brass hose that moves
with the swinging draft arm coupler mount, coupled to a flexible hose
that hangs on the stationary gate. Here's a photo, but you'll need to
sign up on the PassengerCarList to gain access:

<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IDa-Rfa9O-_G4xQ7kax8FeHrjGnH0jnXKZna-s9UqyW4zT3fSbGgNUVjllcp5Ef69ZVuFzkbYW7FnIGo_GZEBtmydiH8W4QWrCEoUg/Retainer/Model.jpg>

It occurs to me that the center hose section could be cut out of the
PSC brass hoses, and the ends filed down in the same fashion as I did
the halve, and fitting these parts to micro bulb lead insulation would
yield very nice flexible air hoses. But, we still need a brass bracket
to mount them to the car.

Dennis


Re: Angle cock and air hose parts

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote:

OK guys. I am going to make the Bracket with a pin to hold it to the
floor of the car. I was not planning to have a train line or angle
cock. There would be a hole in the front part of the bracket for you
to insert the train line and your angle cock. What size of wire do
you use for the train line? A simple bracket as is on the prototype.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL

I just ran into this link on another list. While it concerns itself
with a lot of locomotive parts, scroll down and there is a section on
"pipes and hoses", followed by a section on "freight car data" futher
down. The sizes all look correct to me, and it is a handy reference

http://downunder.railfan.net/ho_dim.html

Dennis


Re: Angle cock and air hose parts

ljack70117@...
 

OK guys. I am going to make the Bracket with a pin to hold it to the floor of the car. I was not planning to have a train line or angle cock. There would be a hole in the front part of the bracket for you to insert the train line and your angle cock. What size of wire do you use for the train line? A simple bracket as is on the prototype.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Jan 29, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:

Larry:

I have given this a lot of thought, too, and had intended (eventually)
to move forward on something as well. Here are my ideas to be thrown
into the mix. They should be all metal. While I love the look of the
Kadee parts, they don't last, so having a metal bracket into which I
can add a plastic part is no good (for me.) I also had planned to add
a long round section out the "back" of the part that would be integral
to the whole metal casting that the modeler could simply insert into a
hole drilled into the bolster. That would strengthen the overall part
and simulate a train pipe. Lastly, I had planned to offer a few
different variants as not all of the mounting brackets are alike. Good
luck, and if they serve my purposes, I'll buy then by the hundreds.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

I suppose I should chime in here, too. I gave some thought to these
parts a while back, and one of the first decisions I made was that the
"pipe" that comes out of the back of the angle cock would be long
enough to extend all the way back to the body bolster in one piece, in
fact be overly long so the modeler can cut it to fit different bolster
configurations. A stout pin on the back of the flange where the
bracket attaches to the car end would take care of the keeping the
free end from breaking loose too readily.

The biggest problem is that the plane of the bracket and the plane of
the angle cock are at angles to each other, making for a very
expensive tool. Making them separate parts loses all the strength at
the bracket to angle cock attachment. At this point the decision was
made that this part was going to cost too much relative to its value
to the typical purchaser of one of our kits, and the idea was shelved.

However, if one wants to pay from some fancy irregular parting lines,
the part could be made in one piece. The curve of the hose could also
be molded into the part by laying the cavity along a curved parting
line. It all just comes down to $$$.


Dennis





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I'd love to have breakfast and go to the show with you Bill. Send me an
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Clark Propst


Looking for Ron Morse

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

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Snail or e-mail address would be fine.

Thanks,

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Re: Angle cock and air hose parts

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:

Larry:

I have given this a lot of thought, too, and had intended (eventually)
to move forward on something as well. Here are my ideas to be thrown
into the mix. They should be all metal. While I love the look of the
Kadee parts, they don't last, so having a metal bracket into which I
can add a plastic part is no good (for me.) I also had planned to add
a long round section out the "back" of the part that would be integral
to the whole metal casting that the modeler could simply insert into a
hole drilled into the bolster. That would strengthen the overall part
and simulate a train pipe. Lastly, I had planned to offer a few
different variants as not all of the mounting brackets are alike. Good
luck, and if they serve my purposes, I'll buy then by the hundreds.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

I suppose I should chime in here, too. I gave some thought to these
parts a while back, and one of the first decisions I made was that the
"pipe" that comes out of the back of the angle cock would be long
enough to extend all the way back to the body bolster in one piece, in
fact be overly long so the modeler can cut it to fit different bolster
configurations. A stout pin on the back of the flange where the
bracket attaches to the car end would take care of the keeping the
free end from breaking loose too readily.

The biggest problem is that the plane of the bracket and the plane of
the angle cock are at angles to each other, making for a very
expensive tool. Making them separate parts loses all the strength at
the bracket to angle cock attachment. At this point the decision was
made that this part was going to cost too much relative to its value
to the typical purchaser of one of our kits, and the idea was shelved.

However, if one wants to pay from some fancy irregular parting lines,
the part could be made in one piece. The curve of the hose could also
be molded into the part by laying the cavity along a curved parting
line. It all just comes down to $$$.


Dennis


Re: Air hose bracket and air hose part

Rod Miller
 

Simulating the hose with flexible material is easily done in O
scale. PSC sells kits that contain all the parts.

For those of you using rigid hoses, you can come up with something
that will give by joining the hose train line stub to the train
line using some wire insulation. This holds the hose in place but
allows it to give when bumped.

Rod


Re: Intermountain ART reefer

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

The quality is much better. The castings are better than any previous
Intemountain car, including the PFE reefers. Thinks like the brake rod is
much finer, it comes with wire brake pipe and rods underneath, wire door
handles, etc. There is just no comparison to the ART reefer, it is so much
better.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:38:52 -0500
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Intermountain ART reefer





Brian:

An intriguing comment, but it doesn't tell us much. Are you saying the
stock car is better than the reefer, or vice-versa? Which was better,
and in what ways might be helpful to those of us considering a purchase.

Thanks for clarifying.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

Last night I built one of the ATSF stock cars. The difference in quality is
astounding. Literally night and day.


Re: PRR Class S1 (was Pennsy Aficianados)

John F. Cizmar
 

Guys,
That is not a turbine. It is a duplex passenger steam locomotive.
John Cizmar

John Van Buekenhout <jvanbu1347@shaw.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ben. I was thinking about putting the question on the Pennsylvania website. What prompted this question is something on the History Channel that shows a drawing of a 6-4-4-6 so I wanted to check it out.
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] PRR Class S1 (was Pennsy Aficianados)

Jack Van Buekenhout asked:
"Is there a Pennsylvania locomotive with a wheel arrangment of 6-4-4-6?"

Yes - PRR 6100, the Class S1 steam turbine:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-s6100ahn.jpg

This is off-topic for this list - recommend you continue discussions on
one of the PRR lists:
PRR-FAX: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR
Keystone Crossings: http://lists.dsop.com/prr/

Ben Hom








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Re: Intermountain ART reefer

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Brian:

An intriguing comment, but it doesn't tell us much. Are you saying the stock car is better than the reefer, or vice-versa? Which was better, and in what ways might be helpful to those of us considering a purchase.

Thanks for clarifying.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

Last night I built one of the ATSF stock cars. The difference in quality is
astounding. Literally night and day.


Re: Intermountain ART reefer

armprem
 

I agree with Brian.The parts for my ART reefer are crude and not up to Intermountains'usual high standards.Could it be due to the excess paint that was added by the vendor?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Cain" <allencain@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Intermountain ART reefer


> Brian,
>
>
>
> I have two of the Intermountain ART Reefers that came RTR so I can not
> comment on the fit of parts problem but the castings on these two models
> appear to be up to or current standards for plastic models.
>
>
>
> Allen Cain
>
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Re: Intermountain ART reefer

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Last night I built one of the ATSF stock cars. The difference in quality is
astounding. Literally night and day.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Allen Cain <allencain@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:43:46 -0500
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Intermountain ART reefer





Brian,

I have two of the Intermountain ART Reefers that came RTR so I can not
comment on the fit of parts problem but the castings on these two models
appear to be up to or current standards for plastic models.

Allen Cain


Re: PRR Class S1 (was Pennsy Aficianados)

John Van Buekenhout <jvanbu1347@...>
 

Thanks Ben. I was thinking about putting the question on the Pennsylvania website. What prompted this question is something on the History Channel that shows a drawing of a 6-4-4-6 so I wanted to check it out.
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] PRR Class S1 (was Pennsy Aficianados)


Jack Van Buekenhout asked:
"Is there a Pennsylvania locomotive with a wheel arrangment of 6-4-4-6?"

Yes - PRR 6100, the Class S1 steam turbine:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-s6100ahn.jpg

This is off-topic for this list - recommend you continue discussions on
one of the PRR lists:
PRR-FAX: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRR
Keystone Crossings: http://lists.dsop.com/prr/

Ben Hom


Re: Like it says . . . Interesting photo for freight car guys . . .

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Schuyler,

Any idea what all those empty gons were for? Is that what the crated
machinery arrived in?

I also note that a previously stated axiom remains true. We have one
NP box car in the photo ;-)

regards,
Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
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Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:17 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Like it says . . . Interesting photo for freight car
guys . . .


Interesting picture of Erie Yards in Weehawken at,
http://www.weehawkenhistory.org/view_item.php?id=88117&back=0&category=
Railroad

SGL


Re: Intermountain ART reefer

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Brian,



I have two of the Intermountain ART Reefers that came RTR so I can not
comment on the fit of parts problem but the castings on these two models
appear to be up to or current standards for plastic models.



Allen Cain


How long did Frisco's USRA Boxcars last with wood sides?

Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

Good friend gave me a USRA 40' Frisco Double-sheathed car for the
layout. I was looking through photos and see many were rebuilt with
plywood sides and steel sides. How long did they last with the
original double sheathed sides? My layout cutoff date is 1954.

Thanks - Charlie


Re: Air hose bracket and air hose part

ljack70117@...
 

Any chance you could give me the name of the company that made these?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Monk Alan wrote:

Folks,

somewhere at home I have some injection moulded plastic HO air-hoses
which come complete with separate brackets. I'm sure they are a US- made
product (certainly mine came from a UK-based US HO supplier!), I'll
check tonight and report back. I've used them on a number of my freight
cars, especially to replace the Branchlines kit brackets/hoses which I
find too flimsy for layout use.

For the hoses themselves, I makes me own, using single-core bell-wire,
stripped of the insulation, crimping one end to give the knuckle and
bending/cutting to shape. The tap is from a small length of microstrip
superglued to the top section. I've gathered a range of wire diameters
over the years and make up batches of 50 or so at one go - doesn't take
long, is very cheap and they are very robust!

HTH,
Alan
London, UK


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Behalf Of ljack70117@adelphia.net
Sent: 27 January 2007 20:26
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Air hose bracket and air hose part



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups.com>
] On> Behalf Of Brian J Carlson
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<mailto:stmfc%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Air hose bracket and air hose part

I actually had a little time to do some modeling tonight, and
spent the better part of an hour fabricating trainline air hose brackets
and air hoses from Brass strip, wire and Kadee air hoses for my Athearn
SFRD RR-30. I really wish someone with make a nice after-market part for
these (The RR-30 is different than the norm anyway due to the Duryea
underframe). Lots of mfg's make the hoses but no one to my knowledge
makes the bracket also. I have fabricated some from Styrene also per Ted
C's articles.

Branchline's are nice in their boxcar kits but a little fragile.
If there are aftermarket parts out there I would love to know. OK, I am
off my soapbox.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


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Re: Air hose bracket and air hose part

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

Folks,

somewhere at home I have some injection moulded plastic HO air-hoses
which come complete with separate brackets. I'm sure they are a US-made
product (certainly mine came from a UK-based US HO supplier!), I'll
check tonight and report back. I've used them on a number of my freight
cars, especially to replace the Branchlines kit brackets/hoses which I
find too flimsy for layout use.

For the hoses themselves, I makes me own, using single-core bell-wire,
stripped of the insulation, crimping one end to give the knuckle and
bending/cutting to shape. The tap is from a small length of microstrip
superglued to the top section. I've gathered a range of wire diameters
over the years and make up batches of 50 or so at one go - doesn't take
long, is very cheap and they are very robust!

HTH,
Alan
London, UK

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Behalf Of ljack70117@adelphia.net
Sent: 27 January 2007 20:26
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Air hose bracket and air hose part



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
] On> Behalf Of Brian J Carlson
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To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stmfc%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:stmfc%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Air hose bracket and air hose part

I actually had a little time to do some modeling tonight, and
spent the better part of an hour fabricating trainline air hose brackets
and air hoses from Brass strip, wire and Kadee air hoses for my Athearn
SFRD RR-30. I really wish someone with make a nice after-market part for
these (The RR-30 is different than the norm anyway due to the Duryea
underframe). Lots of mfg's make the hoses but no one to my knowledge
makes the bracket also. I have fabricated some from Styrene also per Ted
C's articles.

Branchline's are nice in their boxcar kits but a little fragile.
If there are aftermarket parts out there I would love to know. OK, I am
off my soapbox.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


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