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Pennsy Aficianados

John Van Buekenhout <jvanbu1347@...>
 

Is there a Pennsylvania locomotive with a wheel arrangment of 6-4-4-6?
Jack


Re: SINCLAIR Tank Car

Greg Udolph <gregudolph@...>
 

Steven,
We are painting it Sinclair instead of Conoco because we like the Sinclair
style tank car better. Our other tank car has been painted Union Tank and we
wanted to go with something different. Our goal is to have an accurate time
period freight to run on our photo charters. We really aren't a museum so we
are open to paint the cars any way that is accurate to the period we are
trying to re-create...if it makes you feel any better our hoppers went back
to their original Rio Grande scheme.

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Heber City, UT
gregudolph@gmail.com
gu292901@ohio.edu

I am the thoroughbred of steam, born to run, born to be free.
Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do. - 12/07/94

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steven Seguine
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SINCLAIR Tank Car

Greg,
Why aren't you painting them CONOCO? That is what they were before they
were sold to the D&RGW.
Steven Seguine
Orem, Utah

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Udolph" <gregudolph@gmail. <mailto:gregudolph%40gmail.com> com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SINCLAIR Tank Car

Hello,
I am looking for any information on Sinclair's 10,000 gallon tank car. I
would really like either a decal sheet or a paint diagram for the tank
cars
from the steam era. I am planning on painting a 1:1 scale tank car and
would
very much like to do it Sinclair but I am having trouble finding
information. Please help!

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Heber City, UT
gregudolph@gmail. <mailto:gregudolph%40gmail.com> com
gu292901@ohio. <mailto:gu292901%40ohio.edu> edu

I am the thoroughbred of steam, born to run, born to be free.
Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do. - 12/07/94

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of
John
Thompson
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 6:36 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: [STMFC] Pentrex Heritage Collection Vol. 1

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the Pentrex "stocking
stuffer" DVD called "Heritage Collection Vol. 1" has some pretty good
color footage of steam era freight cars in it, plus lots of colorful
early diesels. And the 1940's-1950's corny narration is a joy to
listen to!

It's on sale for $9.95 plus shipping until 2-28-07. Read about it at:

http://www.pentrex. <http://www.pentrex.
<http://www.pentrex.com/hc1dvd.html> com/hc1dvd.html> com/hc1dvd.html

I think you'll like it.

John Thompson
Bellevue (Seattle) WA








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Re: SINCLAIR Tank Car

Steven Seguine <rgsteve@...>
 

Greg,
Why aren't you painting them CONOCO? That is what they were before they
were sold to the D&RGW.
Steven Seguine
Orem, Utah

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Udolph" <gregudolph@gmail.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SINCLAIR Tank Car


Hello,
I am looking for any information on Sinclair's 10,000 gallon tank car. I
would really like either a decal sheet or a paint diagram for the tank cars
from the steam era. I am planning on painting a 1:1 scale tank car and would
very much like to do it Sinclair but I am having trouble finding
information. Please help!

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Heber City, UT
gregudolph@gmail.com
gu292901@ohio.edu

I am the thoroughbred of steam, born to run, born to be free.
Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do. - 12/07/94

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Thompson
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 6:36 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Pentrex Heritage Collection Vol. 1

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the Pentrex "stocking
stuffer" DVD called "Heritage Collection Vol. 1" has some pretty good
color footage of steam era freight cars in it, plus lots of colorful
early diesels. And the 1940's-1950's corny narration is a joy to
listen to!

It's on sale for $9.95 plus shipping until 2-28-07. Read about it at:

http://www.pentrex. <http://www.pentrex.com/hc1dvd.html> com/hc1dvd.html

I think you'll like it.

John Thompson
Bellevue (Seattle) WA







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Re: N&W class F2 & FD pulpwood racks

Fred Mullins
 

Jim,
Thanks for the info. By the way I like your N&W frt car models you
have produced.

Fred Mullins


Re: NC & St L BOX CARS in 1950

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "generalrailwaysignal" <GRSJr@...>
wrote:

Here is some data from the July, 1950, ORER - an Excel file is
available for free download on the Steam Era Freight Car Analysis
(STEFA) site.
Can you give me a specific URL? I can't find the place to download
the
ORER spreadsheet.
The file is on the Steam Era Freight Car Analysis (STEFA) site. To
access it, you will first need to become a member of the group:

Post message: STEFA@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: STEFA-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: STEFA-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List owner: STEFA-owner@yahoogroups.com

STEFA's home page is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STEFA/

Once you are there, go to the Files section.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh


Re: N&W class F2 & FD pulpwood racks

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Fred,

The FD has a length over striking castings of 39 feet 11 inches; the bulkheads are 7 feet high and the length inside the bulkheads is 35 feet 7 and 1/2 inches. The height from rail is 10 feet, 10 and 3/4 inches.

The F2 has a length over striking castings of 47 feet 0 inches; bulkhead height is the same, with a length inside the bulkheads of 43 feet 1 and 1/2 inches. The height from rail is 10 feet, 5 and 5/8 inches.

Jim Brewer
www.pocahontasmodels.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Mullins
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] N&W class F2 & FD pulpwood racks


Folks,
Can anyone provide me with the overall length of these 2 classes of
N&W pulpwood racks? Not including the couplers? I think they are 37'
and 41' but not sure and which one either?? Also the height of the cars?
Thanks in advance for any help!
Fred Mullins


N&W class F2 & FD pulpwood racks

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
Can anyone provide me with the overall length of these 2 classes of
N&W pulpwood racks? Not including the couplers? I think they are 37'
and 41' but not sure and which one either?? Also the height of the cars?
Thanks in advance for any help!
Fred Mullins


Re: NC & St L BOX CARS in 1950

generalrailwaysignal <GRSJr@...>
 

Here is some data from the July, 1950, ORER - an Excel file is
available for free download on the Steam Era Freight Car Analysis
(STEFA) site.
Can you give me a specific URL? I can't find the place to download the
ORER spreadsheet.


Re: FGEX cars

Peter Weiglin
 

Bill Welch wrote . . .


"In May 1948 Fruit Growers Express brought into service two cars rebuilt
as insulted cars numbered 4200 & 4800 under the new reporting marks
FCEX."

- - -

I know how that feels -- I have had a couple of my cars insulted in the past, but I'm
trying to do better. . .

Peter Weiglin
Amelia, OH


Re: ORER numerology???

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

laramielarry wrote:
Hi Folks

While transcribing the July, 1950, ORER to an Excel file, I noticed
that none* of the "Item" numbers (line numbers) end in 8, 9, or 0.
Rather, the sequence is:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,22,...

Is this true of other ORERs as well? Does anyone know the reason for
this curious "numerology"? Or its history?

It's pretty much in all of the old ORER's. I think it was just a trick used
to make late arriving insertions much easier to deal with as they'd only
have to adjust the numbers for a couple of lines. At some later time they
went back and renumbered the lines back to the no-8,9,n0 rule.

Dave Nelson


Next kit will be .... ??

Jim King
 

I was planning to bring out the S-scale CofG 41' ventilated boxcar (HO
kit is available from the CGRHS) as my next kit, in time for the late
March RPM meet in Savannah GA. However, the current supply of Andrews
trucks from SHS is gone or nearly gone (I think Don said my last order
wiped him out) and the next shipment won't arrive until Spring.

Do y'all still want this car produced next but without trucks? I can
always include trucks with future kits when they become available again
and I'm sure most of you can get them from a dealer or have them
on-hand. The only other option is to produce a car with Bettendorf
trucks as that supply is OK. Maybe an SAL/NS high side gon, Southern
flat, Southern composite gon?

Estimated retail price less trucks but with 802s will be $66 ($70 with
t&c).

Please reply off list.

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.
http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: ORER numerology???

rfederle@...
 

One additional note. The Chicago and Illinois Western in Oct 1979 shows only two cars. Both are LO (9 covered hoppers 29'-3" #650-659). The other is LO (14 covered hoppers 41' and #660-674).

Robert Federle
---- laramielarry <ostresh@uwyo.edu> wrote:

Hi Folks

While transcribing the July, 1950, ORER to an Excel file, I noticed
that none* of the "Item" numbers (line numbers) end in 8, 9, or 0.
Rather, the sequence is:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,22,...

Is this true of other ORERs as well? Does anyone know the reason for
this curious "numerology"? Or its history?

*Actually, there is one occurrence of an 8, the record for a Chicago &
Illinois Western roofless box car.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh


Re: ORER numerology???

rfederle@...
 

I have an ORER for Oct 10th '79 and they have all the digits. I checked several railroads and all have 8's, 9's and numbers ending with with 0's. This is the only issue I have however.

Robert Federle
---- laramielarry <ostresh@uwyo.edu> wrote:

Hi Folks

While transcribing the July, 1950, ORER to an Excel file, I noticed
that none* of the "Item" numbers (line numbers) end in 8, 9, or 0.
Rather, the sequence is:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,22,...

Is this true of other ORERs as well? Does anyone know the reason for
this curious "numerology"? Or its history?

*Actually, there is one occurrence of an 8, the record for a Chicago &
Illinois Western roofless box car.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh


ORER numerology???

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

While transcribing the July, 1950, ORER to an Excel file, I noticed
that none* of the "Item" numbers (line numbers) end in 8, 9, or 0.
Rather, the sequence is:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,22,...

Is this true of other ORERs as well? Does anyone know the reason for
this curious "numerology"? Or its history?

*Actually, there is one occurrence of an 8, the record for a Chicago &
Illinois Western roofless box car.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh


Re: NC & St L BOX CARS in 1950

al_brown03
 

NC&StL 16100-16599 were 36' SS cars similar to 15100-16099, but
taller (IH 8'6" vs 8'). There's a Winters photo of NC&StL 16453 in
Mainline Modeler 4/86, p 57. The article is on "Dominion" cars (same
thing as "Fowlers"); these are included as close-but-not-quites.

There's also a photo of NC&StL 16524 in Castner's NC&StL book, p 53.
The boxcar is coupled to a side-door caboose Bob Richardson for some
reason was interested in :-), but the picture shows both cars well.

NC&StL 3000-3249 were 36' DS cars similar to Southern's SU class. I
have a note that there's a photo of NC&StL 3192 in Don Ball's "Decade
of the Trains", showing Hutchins ends, but I don't have the book here
and lack a page reference.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "matthewjstrickland"
<matthewjstrickland@> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me the break down of Box cars for the N C & St L
in
1950?

Vents
DS
SS Fowler
SS
50' SS
40 ' Steel
50' steel
other

total ?

Thanks for your help

Matt Strickland
Sorry, the table in my last post was unreadable!

Start-End IL Qty Built Type
3000-3249 36'0" 161 ? ?
15100-16099 36'0" 132 ? SS(not Fowler)
16100-16599 36'0" 445 ? ?
17800-17844 39'6" 44 ? STEEL
18000-18499 40'6" 483 1937 32ARA
18500-18999 40'6" 496 1942 37AAR
19000-19499 40'6" 497 1947 44AAR
20000-21399 36'3" 1,193 ? STEEL

Larry


SINCLAIR TANK

Greg Udolph <gregudolph@...>
 

I would like to thank everyone that gave me information regarding the
Sinclair tank car. Today we took measurements based on Mr. Ferguson's decal
instructions and pictures that were sent to me by Mr. Cain and Mr.
Hendrickson. We sent it all off to the printers and will hopefully be able
to letter the car either late this week or early next week. As soon as it is
done I will post a couple of pictures of it to the STMFC's homepage. With
any luck it will pass your approval and be ready in time for our photo
freight on the 5th of Feb. Thanks again to everyone that helped me out.

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Heber City, UT
gregudolph@gmail.com
gu292901@ohio.edu

I am the thoroughbred of steam, born to run, born to be free.
Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do. - 12/07/94


Re: SINCLAIR Tank Car

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Greg,
Volume Four of Union Pacific Modeler (copyright 1998 by Metcalfe Publications) has an eight page article on Sinclair tank cars by Richard Hendrickson. No diagrams, but plenty of photographs.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Udolph" <gregudolph@gmail.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SINCLAIR Tank Car


Hello,
I am looking for any information on Sinclair's 10,000 gallon tank car. I
would really like either a decal sheet or a paint diagram for the tank cars
from the steam era. I am planning on painting a 1:1 scale tank car and would
very much like to do it Sinclair but I am having trouble finding
information. Please help!

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Heber City, UT
gregudolph@gmail.com
gu292901@ohio.edu


Re: Fruit Growers Express service to Campbell's Soup Company in Camden, NJ

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

PRSL does not appear in any of the ORER's I have for the period 1948-
1953 and I am hoping someone on this list may know what they refer to.
Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines, the joint PRR-RDG line across New
Jersey. PRSL never had rolling stock that was interchanged; freight
cars used on its rails came from either of the two railroads that owned
it (or, of course, from other RRs via interchange).








Richard and Bill,

PRSL was the joint PRR-RDG railroad across Southern New Jersey including main lines from Camden to Cape May and Atlantic City plus branches to Ocean City, Wildwood and others. The railroad's name was changed in 1933 from the Atlantic City RR to Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines.

Tim Gilbert


Re: NC & St L BOX CARS in 1950

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "matthewjstrickland"
<matthewjstrickland@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me the break down of Box cars for the N C & St L in
1950?

Vents
DS
SS Fowler
SS
50' SS
40 ' Steel
50' steel
other

total ?

Thanks for your help

Matt Strickland
Sorry, the table in my last post was unreadable!

Start-End IL Qty Built Type
3000-3249 36'0" 161 ? ?
15100-16099 36'0" 132 ? SS(not Fowler)
16100-16599 36'0" 445 ? ?
17800-17844 39'6" 44 ? STEEL
18000-18499 40'6" 483 1937 32ARA
18500-18999 40'6" 496 1942 37AAR
19000-19499 40'6" 497 1947 44AAR
20000-21399 36'3" 1,193 ? STEEL

Larry


Re: NC & St L BOX CARS in 1950

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "matthewjstrickland"
<matthewjstrickland@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me the break down of Box cars for the N C & St L in
1950?

Vents
DS
SS Fowler
SS
50' SS
40 ' Steel
50' steel
other

total ?

Thanks for your help

Matt Strickland
Hi Matt

Here is some data from the July, 1950, ORER - an Excel file is
available for free download on the Steam Era Freight Car Analysis
(STEFA) site.


Start End IL ft IL in Qty Built Type
3000 3249 36 0 161 ?
15100 16099 36 0 132 SS
16100 16599 36 0 445 ?
17800 17844 39 6 44 STEEL
18000 18499 40 6 483 1937 32ARA
18500 18999 40 6 496 1942 37AAR
19000 19499 40 6 497 1947 44AAR
20000 21399 36 3 1,193 STEEL

I don't have the type for the first and third series, but I'm sure
others in the group will know them.

Best wishes, Larry Ostresh

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