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Freight cars on the workbench

Eric Hansmann
 

My latest blog post shares updates on a few freight car projects, plus car reweigh details for the 1920s. It's been a busy month on my workbench.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Tim O'Connor
 


Ed Hawkins' scan of ATSF paint samples from 1931 and 1945 (PPG) show a 'red shift'



On 5/28/2020 8:15 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
otto kroutil wrote:

Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?

     Richard did not believe the Santa Fe changed its Mineral Brown color in 1945, though he freely acknowledged that shop applications varied.

Tony Thompson

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Evangeline Railway

Paul Doggett
 

John 

Thank you I will pass that on he lives in Louisiana.

Paul Doggett 


On 29 May 2020, at 04:14, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Paul,

According the the April 44 list of open and prepaid stations, the Evangaline ran from Belle Chaney through Brian to Greer Louisianna.  All three stations were listed as intrastate traffic only.  Only Greer had an agent, all freight to Belle Chaney or Brian had to be pre-paid except for that consigned to Gifford-Hill & Co, Inc. which could be billed collect and charges settled with the agent at Greer.

I hope that helps your friend.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 09:35:00 AM EDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi
I know this is a bit of subject but asking for a friend. Where did the Evangeline Railway run to and from?

Thank you
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



Re: Evangeline Railway

John Barry
 

Paul,

According the the April 44 list of open and prepaid stations, the Evangaline ran from Belle Chaney through Brian to Greer Louisianna.  All three stations were listed as intrastate traffic only.  Only Greer had an agent, all freight to Belle Chaney or Brian had to be pre-paid except for that consigned to Gifford-Hill & Co, Inc. which could be billed collect and charges settled with the agent at Greer.

I hope that helps your friend.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 09:35:00 AM EDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi
I know this is a bit of subject but asking for a friend. Where did the Evangeline Railway run to and from?

Thank you
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



Re: Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033

Todd Sullivan
 

I think that MC auto boxcar is similar or the same as the Westerfield kits here

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=98_295

Todd Sullivan


Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

The "he" at Des Plaines Hobbies was Ron Sebastian whom we tragically lost late last summer.
Is his widow, Susan,, running the store now?  Don't know but she has always been as pleasant
to work with as Ron always was.

Don Valentine


Re: Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   Is that not an Al Westerfield special or is it the next earlier style? Can't recall.

Don Valentine


Re: Seeking Photo Help:

Patrick Wade
 

On page 157 of McCall’s “Coach, Cabbage & Caboose” this formula from the Cleburne coach shop for mineral brown is 2 quarts, 1 1/2 pints locomotive Dulux Black 1 gallon  1 1/2 pints of Signal Read. Pullman Green 1 quart 1 pint Baltic Blue, 1 quart 1 1/2 pints Area Yellow. No date is given but since the formulas were for rider coaches and driver cabooses it probably pre 1945. 

Pat Wade 
Santa Barbara, CA


On May 28, 2020, at 6:08 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:



I am looking for a photo that clearly shows the attachment of the lateral running boards on a Santa Fe Bx36 boxcar.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Seeking Photo Help:

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I am looking for a photo that clearly shows the attachment of the lateral running boards on a Santa Fe Bx36 boxcar.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

mark_landgraf
 

The intellectual property was acquired by Amsted of Chicago. The drawings and microfilm remain in tact and accessible. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY


On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Well, thanks Matt, for the answer.  But what a crushing blow to know that all that information is lost to history.

 

One thing I was interested in was the drawings of the one-piece locomotive frames that Commonwealth made in the steam era.  It is my understanding that the technology to make those is lost, and cannot be reproduced today.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Schuyler, 

 

The plant’s environmental manager took the president of the club and I through Buckeye's office building about a year after the facility had been purchased at bankruptcy auction and shortly before it started being dismantled. To her credit, she was concerned that a lot of history would be lost in the rubble and was hoping we could help rescue things of value (either directly or through people we knew).

 

I asked about specifically about drawings. Buckeye (then Columbus Steel Castings) had would have had some very interesting casting drawings though their and their predecessors work (including locomotive frames and steam era freight car trucks and couplers). Her story was that the winning bidder (a competitor in the industry) had immediately taken possession of the IP (drawings, etc.) and destroyed them, for reasons I don’t quite understand. What a loss. 

 

I picked up some grounds drawings that day, and other materials were later rescued by the local historical society. Again, as far as I know, the really cool stuff went to the the shredder. With luck the “shredder” means some bigwig took them into their personal collection!

 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio US

 

On May 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

Not about the car in the subject line . . .

 

Were the records of Buckeye (and Columbus Steel Castings) preserved at all?  I don’t remember what I was after – might have been for a locomotive driver center -  but I once contacted them and they said if I >>REALLY<< needed it, they had the drawings I was interested in at the time, but it would probably take a couple man days to locate them.  Was I willing to pay for that?

 

Ah, nooooo.

 

But I still wonder if they were preserved.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

The amazing thing was that Columbus Steel Castings (the successor to Buckeye) was the largest steel foundry under one roof in North America in the last couple of decades.  Not something you normally associate Columbus with. 

 

My model railroad club, on which I pulled steam era freight cars, was on the grounds (in the old ARMCO executive building) from 1969 until 2016-ish, when we were finally asked to leave, so I’ve long had a soft spot for the facility. 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

 

Sent from my mobile


On May 23, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Riverboy via groups.io <river_dweller_ohio@...> wrote:



Beautiful photo.

 

It's interesting to note that over the last year, ALL of the Buckeye Steel buildings have been torn down, and the entire property is being cleaned up and will eventually be redeveloped. I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio in 1993 when I was 25, and moved just south of Columbus in 1995 when I bought my house, and after over 20 years of seeing the complex there, busy with all kinds of activity, along with a smell that was a lot like a burning clutch or burning brakes, the property is now vacant and void of all the structures. It looks so "wrong". Kind of sad in a way. A lot of history is now gone.

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

Lockbourne/Shadeville Ohio

 

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 12:54:21 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote: 

 

 

Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Tony Thompson
 

otto kroutil wrote:

Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?
Richard did not believe the Santa Fe changed its Mineral Brown color in 1945, though he freely acknowledged that shop applications varied.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


ATSF Mineral Brown

ottokroutil
 

Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?
I have some new Intermountain Bx-37’s in the pre-47 slogan/straight map scheme, and I’d like to get the color right. Advice appreciated.
Otto K.


Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

Matt Goodman
 

Regarding in-plant service, I only saw them with casting sand piled into them. It appeared they were used as shuttles to bring the sand from the plant out to huge mounds of the stuff, where they were unloaded with a fascinatingly decrepit clamshell bucket crane.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio US

On May 23, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Makes sense to me.  I can see a number 10 on the car, also.
 
From what I can see in Eric Neubauer’s builder’s listings.  Pressed Steel car built six 55 ton cars (perhaps hoppers?) in 1920.  Ralston (also in Columbus) built eighteen 70 ton gondolas for BSCCo in 1920 and 12 more in 1930.  Pullman Standard tagged along eight 50 ton, 40’6” seven post gondolas numbered 60-67 to an SP&S order lot 5944, as lot 5944A.
 
Apparently these were all in captive in-plant service as there are not ORER records that I could find (quickly) for Buckeye Steel.
 
Steve Hile
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
 
Steve:

Ahh.  Now I get it it.

Indeed, the history of the Johnstown facility indicates that it was Cambria when this car was built, then briefly Midvale before the Bethlehem acquisition in 1923.

So here's the alternative:  The BSCCo stencil refers Buckeye Steel Castings Company, who produced a wide array of steel (earlier iron) castings for the railroad industry.  It seems this isn't an interchange car as there is no car number.  Perhaps it was built by Cambria for Buckeye to custom specs and/or design.  It is a 70-ton car, not something I think of as being very common in 1912.

That's the best I can come up with in the SWAG department.

Best regards.
-- 
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA 



Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, thanks Matt, for the answer.  But what a crushing blow to know that all that information is lost to history.

 

One thing I was interested in was the drawings of the one-piece locomotive frames that Commonwealth made in the steam era.  It is my understanding that the technology to make those is lost, and cannot be reproduced today.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

Schuyler, 

 

The plant’s environmental manager took the president of the club and I through Buckeye's office building about a year after the facility had been purchased at bankruptcy auction and shortly before it started being dismantled. To her credit, she was concerned that a lot of history would be lost in the rubble and was hoping we could help rescue things of value (either directly or through people we knew).

 

I asked about specifically about drawings. Buckeye (then Columbus Steel Castings) had would have had some very interesting casting drawings though their and their predecessors work (including locomotive frames and steam era freight car trucks and couplers). Her story was that the winning bidder (a competitor in the industry) had immediately taken possession of the IP (drawings, etc.) and destroyed them, for reasons I don’t quite understand. What a loss. 

 

I picked up some grounds drawings that day, and other materials were later rescued by the local historical society. Again, as far as I know, the really cool stuff went to the the shredder. With luck the “shredder” means some bigwig took them into their personal collection!

 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio US

 

On May 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

Not about the car in the subject line . . .

 

Were the records of Buckeye (and Columbus Steel Castings) preserved at all?  I don’t remember what I was after – might have been for a locomotive driver center -  but I once contacted them and they said if I >>REALLY<< needed it, they had the drawings I was interested in at the time, but it would probably take a couple man days to locate them.  Was I willing to pay for that?

 

Ah, nooooo.

 

But I still wonder if they were preserved.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

The amazing thing was that Columbus Steel Castings (the successor to Buckeye) was the largest steel foundry under one roof in North America in the last couple of decades.  Not something you normally associate Columbus with. 

 

My model railroad club, on which I pulled steam era freight cars, was on the grounds (in the old ARMCO executive building) from 1969 until 2016-ish, when we were finally asked to leave, so I’ve long had a soft spot for the facility. 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

 

Sent from my mobile


On May 23, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Riverboy via groups.io <river_dweller_ohio@...> wrote:



Beautiful photo.

 

It's interesting to note that over the last year, ALL of the Buckeye Steel buildings have been torn down, and the entire property is being cleaned up and will eventually be redeveloped. I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio in 1993 when I was 25, and moved just south of Columbus in 1995 when I bought my house, and after over 20 years of seeing the complex there, busy with all kinds of activity, along with a smell that was a lot like a burning clutch or burning brakes, the property is now vacant and void of all the structures. It looks so "wrong". Kind of sad in a way. A lot of history is now gone.

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

Lockbourne/Shadeville Ohio

 

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 12:54:21 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote: 

 

 

Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

Matt Goodman
 

Schuyler, 

The plant’s environmental manager took the president of the club and I through Buckeye's office building about a year after the facility had been purchased at bankruptcy auction and shortly before it started being dismantled. To her credit, she was concerned that a lot of history would be lost in the rubble and was hoping we could help rescue things of value (either directly or through people we knew).

I asked about specifically about drawings. Buckeye (then Columbus Steel Castings) had would have had some very interesting casting drawings though their and their predecessors work (including locomotive frames and steam era freight car trucks and couplers). Her story was that the winning bidder (a competitor in the industry) had immediately taken possession of the IP (drawings, etc.) and destroyed them, for reasons I don’t quite understand. What a loss. 

I picked up some grounds drawings that day, and other materials were later rescued by the local historical society. Again, as far as I know, the really cool stuff went to the the shredder. With luck the “shredder” means some bigwig took them into their personal collection!

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio US

On May 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Not about the car in the subject line . . .
 
Were the records of Buckeye (and Columbus Steel Castings) preserved at all?  I don’t remember what I was after – might have been for a locomotive driver center -  but I once contacted them and they said if I >>REALLY<< needed it, they had the drawings I was interested in at the time, but it would probably take a couple man days to locate them.  Was I willing to pay for that?
 
Ah, nooooo.
 
But I still wonder if they were preserved.
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
 
The amazing thing was that Columbus Steel Castings (the successor to Buckeye) was the largest steel foundry under one roof in North America in the last couple of decades.  Not something you normally associate Columbus with. 
 

My model railroad club, on which I pulled steam era freight cars, was on the grounds (in the old ARMCO executive building) from 1969 until 2016-ish, when we were finally asked to leave, so I’ve long had a soft spot for the facility. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio
 
Sent from my mobile


On May 23, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Riverboy via groups.io <river_dweller_ohio@...> wrote:


Beautiful photo.
 
It's interesting to note that over the last year, ALL of the Buckeye Steel buildings have been torn down, and the entire property is being cleaned up and will eventually be redeveloped. I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio in 1993 when I was 25, and moved just south of Columbus in 1995 when I bought my house, and after over 20 years of seeing the complex there, busy with all kinds of activity, along with a smell that was a lot like a burning clutch or burning brakes, the property is now vacant and void of all the structures. It looks so "wrong". Kind of sad in a way. A lot of history is now gone.
 
Tod C Dwyer
 
Lockbourne/Shadeville Ohio
 
On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 12:54:21 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote: 
 
 

Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: ACC problems

Bill Welch
 

For as long s I can remember I have preferred  buying the blister packs with 2-4 small tubes. For the past 5 years or so my preferred brand has been DURO, a Henkel product that comes packaged in fours. They are 0.1 oz. tubes. One will last me 3-4 months and stay good to the end and seems less prone to clogged tips. I was buying it at Home Depot but it seems no longer available there. Back in December when i could not find DURO I bought both DAP and  Super Glue which is a Pacer brand—both came two to a blister pack. I threw the DAP away right after I opened it—way too thick. The "Super Glue" has been fine. It comes in .12 oz. tubes. I just used up the first tube so that means it lasted 5 months. 

Recently while in Walmart I found my favored DURO so I hope that will continue but at least I have a backup with Super Glue. The bottles may be fine for high volume users but for someone like me that is steadily building one or two kits at a time, the small tubes are best. If one goes bad, toss it and open a fresh one and keep going.

Model on Ya'll!
Bill Welch


Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Richard Townsend
 

Two suggestions:

1. For plastic parts, try to find Branchline undecorated freight car kits. They're loaded with parts. You can buy parts directly from various manufacturers such as Athearn, Atlas, Tangent, etc. Look at their websites.

2. For wood parts, try Northeastern at https://northeasternscalelumber.com/shop/railroad-car-parts.html

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, May 28, 2020 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Ray Hutchison asked:
"This has been hit or miss on ebay, and difficult to get things from local hobby shop.  I am looking for a good source for both wood and styrene car roofs, sides, ends, and bottom frames.  Suggestions much appreciated!"

This is casting an extremely wide net.  Are you looking for anything specific?


Ben Hom


Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Benjamin Hom
 

Ray Hutchison asked:
"This has been hit or miss on ebay, and difficult to get things from local hobby shop.  I am looking for a good source for both wood and styrene car roofs, sides, ends, and bottom frames.  Suggestions much appreciated!"

This is casting an extremely wide net.  Are you looking for anything specific?


Ben Hom


Re: help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Ray,
have you tried Des Plaines Hobbies? He has almost everything. I think he still has the Viking Roof casting for IM Boxcars.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, May 25, 2020, 02:18:14 PM CDT, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:


This has been hit or miss on ebay, and difficult to get things from local hobby shop.  I am looking for a good source for both wood and styrene car roofs, sides, ends, and bottom frames.  Suggestions much appreciated!

Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ACC problems

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The air in your refrigerator is very dry.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ACC problems

 


I've never understood what the refrigeration is supposed to do.

CA loves water vapor - any H2O molecules will start 'spoiling' it. (CA was originally invented for
fast closure of soldiers' wounds in combat.) So storing it in a Tupperware with DESSICANT may help!

I recently transferred a fresh Zap bottle to a Tamiya bottle. Tamiya plastic caps are utterly airtight in my
experience. (I store all kinds of stuff in them from contact cement to canopy glue to MEK and Acetone.)
I don't know how well the Zap will keep in the Tamiya bottle, but I will find out.

https://www.amainhobbies.com/tamiya-paint-mixing-jar-23ml-bottle-tam81041/p125149

Tim O'Connor



On 5/27/2020 6:06 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Don;

 

My experience with ACC is that it does go bad.  I never had luck with the big bottles, even refrigerated.  They went bad.

 

I buy packs of the little tubes from big box stores, because they cycle thru quickly, and are fresh.  If one goes bad, I open a new one.

 

Zero frustration.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ACC problems

 

Does the ACC still work on other stuff? Does a new bottle work?  

Thanks!

Brian Ehni


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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