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Reading double sheathed boxcar 121XX

David
 

Likely one of the remnants of class XMp, series 11550-13549 built in 1910 and 1913 by AC&F. Typical double-sheathed box cars with fishbelly center sills and two horizontal pressed steel bands wrapped around the ends. Many were rebuilt with steel doors and roofs in the 1920s. F&C 8194 and 8195 model these; here's a built-up version on Ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Funaro-F-C-HO-Reading-XMP-DS-36-wood-door-Hutchins-roof-boxcar-Kit-8194/312673260346

David Thompson


Re: Manufacturer Q - MacLeod Western

Richard Brennan
 

Doug MacLeod is now up in Roseville CA; Many of his products are on Jerry Kitts' FMW site:
http://www.foothillmodelworks.com/MLWestern.html

I think an eMail he uses on some Groups.io lists is:
<dmacleod123@comcast.net>

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 01:24 PM 4/27/2020, Jack Burgess wrote:
Yes, I’ve known Doug since the 1970s. Try

dmacleod@macleodwestern.com

Jack Burgess

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrkdbn via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturer Q

I was going through some old magazines and came across a reference to Doug MacLeod from Orinda CA
as a maker of detail parts for model freight cars. Anybody know anything about him?
Larry King


Reading double sheathed boxcar 121XX

Richard Townsend
 

I was looking at a photo of a C&S 2-8-0 switching in the Denver yards in about 1950. It was coupled to a Reading double-sheathed boxcar with a number starting with 121 with what I think are the last two digits blocked by a utility pole. Can anyone tell me anything about these cars (beyond what I can find in the ORER)?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Manufacturer Q

lrkdbn
 

Dear Mr. Burgess
I'm sorry, the domain name of Mr MacLeod's address was cut off.
I would like to get in touch with him
Larry King


HELP NEEDED ON A LYSLE RPM PRESENTATIONB

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



 At the 2018 RPM meet at Lysle there was a very excellent presentation  on weathering.  I don’t recall who the presenter was.  When I returned home I printed the presentation.  This was a 38 page document covering box cars, gondolas hopper and tank cars.
    When I went to review it recently I discovered that in all my efficiency (or th usual lack thereof) I was missing pages 1 - 6 and page 18.  I would greatly appreciate if anyone could privide these pages ofr provide a link to the presentation.

Thank you for any help.

Bill Pardie


Re: Brass dealer

Matt Herson
 

Dave,

Try this link may be the one you want:

www.alleghenyscale.com

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David North
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass dealer

 

Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions as to the brass dealer link I was chasing.

The link I opened was to a dealer who handled used (and new?) brass, but also had second hand undec Intermountain kits for sale.

I feel like the name of the business was the proprietor’s name – maybe Vern someone, but sadly I simply can’t remember.

It was the Intermountain kits I was interested in.

Cheers

Dave  


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Photo: Loading Flour At Sperry Flour, Tacoma

mel perry
 

would have thought they.would use
dividers to prevent load shifting
mel perry

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 11:27 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Loading Flour At Sperry Flour, Tacoma

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/18605/rec/505

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: " Great Northern Box Car being loaded by Sperry Flour Company at Ocean Dock...A view inside the box car. Bags of flour are being moved by a forklift to fill the upper spaces in the box car. The interior of the freight car is lined with plywood and paper to protect the flour and meal being shipped."

Other images of Sperry Flour in Tacoma:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15467/rec/2

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/18231/rec/7

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/12860/rec/20

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/16718/rec/22

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/33575/rec/50

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Brass dealer

 

I have spent many hours looking thru his wares at the store.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:14 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass dealer

 

Is there any chance that it was Classic Trains and Ferrari’s.  He has come to Collinsville the last couple of years with a pile of old stock kits, resin, etc.  A very interesting collection.

 

https://www.facebook.com/Classic-Trains-Ferraris-714160895331514/

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass dealer

 

Sounds like Howie's Brass Trains.  I don't see any IM stuff on his website right now, but a few years back he was a source of Sunshine kits for me.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Photo: Loading Flour At Sperry Flour, Tacoma

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Loading Flour At Sperry Flour, Tacoma

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/18605/rec/505

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: " Great Northern Box Car being loaded by Sperry Flour Company at Ocean Dock...A view inside the box car. Bags of flour are being moved by a forklift to fill the upper spaces in the box car. The interior of the freight car is lined with plywood and paper to protect the flour and meal being shipped."

Other images of Sperry Flour in Tacoma:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15467/rec/2

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/18231/rec/7

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/12860/rec/20

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/16718/rec/22

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/33575/rec/50

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Brass dealer

Bruce Smith
 

David,

The list has a very good search engine. Puzzled as to why you hadn't just used that, yesterday, I searched based on your comments and got nothing. Today, I added searches for "Vern", "Intermountain AND brass" and few other permutations, and got... nothing. I think that you might be thinking of a conversation that occurred on another list, because, at least based on the things you remember, it did not happen here. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David North <david.north@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass dealer
 

Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions as to the brass dealer link I was chasing.

The link I opened was to a dealer who handled used (and new?) brass, but also had second hand undec Intermountain kits for sale.

I feel like the name of the business was the proprietor’s name – maybe Vern someone, but sadly I simply can’t remember.

It was the Intermountain kits I was interested in.

Cheers

Dave  


Re: Brass dealer

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Is there any chance that it was Classic Trains and Ferrari’s.  He has come to Collinsville the last couple of years with a pile of old stock kits, resin, etc.  A very interesting collection.

 

https://www.facebook.com/Classic-Trains-Ferraris-714160895331514/

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass dealer

 

Sounds like Howie's Brass Trains.  I don't see any IM stuff on his website right now, but a few years back he was a source of Sunshine kits for me.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Brass dealer

Dave Parker
 

Sounds like Howie's Brass Trains.  I don't see any IM stuff on his website right now, but a few years back he was a source of Sunshine kits for me.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Brass dealer

David North
 

Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions as to the brass dealer link I was chasing.

The link I opened was to a dealer who handled used (and new?) brass, but also had second hand undec Intermountain kits for sale.

I feel like the name of the business was the proprietor’s name – maybe Vern someone, but sadly I simply can’t remember.

It was the Intermountain kits I was interested in.

Cheers

Dave  


Re: Kingan packing

John Barry
 

San Francisco had a Kingan house served by the State Belt north of the Ferry Building on Embarcadaro between Jackson and Pacific Streets.  (Sourced from the SP 1948 and 1928 SF Industry Maps.)

Gives me a reason to run Kingan cars on the car float out of Richmond.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 06:04:48 PM EDT, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:


Brian,

Reviewing the whole thread, I can see that 1957 is your "error".   :-)

These would be appropriate if you didn't model that error, and instead chose an earlier time period.  lol.

I can tell you that in 1934, my conductor log database for the Southern's Winston-Salem division shows Kingan reefers being routed (with meat) to Mt. Airy, NC on a regular basis.  They were routed back to Richmond, VA .  Other reefers for other companies went elsewhere empty, like Morrell seemed to be routed empty to East St. Louis or St. Louis. And Schluderberg-Kurdle (now Esskay S-K) were routed to Baltimore via Potomac Yard.  That makes me think Richmond might be either a transfer point or it had a Kingan branch house.

A&Y Dave Bott


Sunday, April 26, 2020, 4:25:19 PM, you wrote:

> When Rapido brought out there first two runs of the GARX meet refers I Purchased several that
> were painted appropriate for my error. I’m trying to refine my modeling now that I know more now
> than I did then. I have a kingan car. I know kingan was headquartered in Indy and were acquired by Hygrade in 1952.

> Modeling the Erie Main in NW Pennsylvania and a Pennsy secondary. What I’m interested in knowing
> is where the Branch house and other distribution points would be, (internet search is not helping,
> yet) and whether or not the car in appropriate in my area or should go to the sell box. Thanks.

> Brian J. Carlson

>




--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC

--
____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: NKP rebuilt box

Ray Breyer
 

As built, it was bare metal with black ribs. Eventially, they were painted asphaltum overall.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, April 27, 2020, 01:09:19 PM CDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


I know that the ends and underbody on these cars were black.  Was rhe roof black as well?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 4/27/20 5:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP rebuilt box


Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.


On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
> Found this interesting car on line.
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg
>
> Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?
>
> Ron Merrick


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Full Cushion Survivors [was Santa Fe Fe-24 . . . ]

Steve SANDIFER
 

Both were troop sleepers.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Full Cushion Survivors [was Santa Fe Fe-24 . . . ]

 

Friends,

 

Here are two photos of Allied Full Cushion trucks under converted troop sleepers.

 

BAR C10 is a summer cabin near Tilton, New Hampshire, among a bunch of (mostly) restored cabooses on the old B&M line to Lincoln. The track belongs to the state and is mothballed, except for an occasional movement to the leased portions used the Clark family's two tourist railroads and their occasional "leaf peeper specials" in the autumn.

 

C&O camp car X1029 was resident in the yard at Charlottesville, seen here about 1985. The yard was downsized and demoted from a crew change point shortly after this photo. All the really cool old MW equipment was then scrapped.

 

I'm moving on to scanning my C&O negatives shortly. Lots of old MW boxcars in this section. I will be glad to share the photos of cars appropriate to our era if people here are interested. Sadly, I only had pocket camera at that time. The photos aren't the sharpest, but at least I got 'em, and Photoshop can do some amazing things to marginal images.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

Two I can quickly report are:

11394
11351

-Andy Carlson    Ojai CA

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 2:17:02 PM PDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Tim -

I looked at the ends and also the height.  The SP&S car is taller than the SP car which has a 10'-0" IH, and the GN-built cars for the SP&S had the 10'-0" IH also (13000 series, 12 panel sides, etc.).

Andy -

Do you have numbers fro the SP&S 11000 series cars with the older doors?  That might tell a story.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim -

I looked at the ends and also the height.  The SP&S car is taller than the SP car which has a 10'-0" IH, and the GN-built cars for the SP&S had the 10'-0" IH also (13000 series, 12 panel sides, etc.).

Andy -

Do you have numbers fro the SP&S 11000 series cars with the older doors?  That might tell a story.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Manufacturer Q

Jack Burgess
 

Yes, I’ve known Doug since the 1970s. Try

 

dmacleod@...

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrkdbn via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturer Q

 

I was going through some old magazines and came across a reference to Doug MacLeod from Orinda CA
as a maker of detail parts for model freight cars. Anybody know anything about him?
Larry King


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy

You're right, I was looking at the ends not the doors. Some photos of 11000 series show
SUPERIOR doors, not Youngstowns. Are they replacements or were they built that way?

Tim O'


On 4/27/2020 3:57 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
This SP&S car is one of several 11000 series of SP&S 40' cars which has an odd pre-1947 Youngstown door. I have seen photos of about 5 others. Could this have been a change during shopping, or were these pre-war doors left overs selected during the NP's building this class of cars for the SP&S? The huge majority of doors used bfor nthis class of box cars were the correct-for-the-era 5/6/6 improved Youngstown.
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 12:29:12 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nice, and I can read the repack stencil too - GN RY in 1950

That's an SP&S 12000 series box car built in 1949 and it's pretty
weathered after under two years of service!





On 4/27/2020 1:54 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
>
> Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar
>
> A 1950 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17156/rec/596
>
> This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
>
> Very good detail of the door on the SP B-50-18 boxcar.
>
> The bags on the hand truck are mineral insulation.
>
> Bob Chaparro
>
> Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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