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Re: Tichy USRA steel-side rebuild boxcars

Bruce Smith
 

On Mon, April 10, 2006 7:59 pm, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
The Tichy #4028 kit has been on the market since the early 1990s,
and Tichy also offered decals for this kit for PRR and DT&I Class
X26C boxcars, which this model is definitely not. The only correct
prototypes are:
- PMcK&Y 83400-83499, Lot 630-B, 100 cars, rebuilt 1935
- PMcK&Y 83500-83891, Lot 638-B, 392 cars, rebuilt 1936-37
- Cars transferred to the P&LE as P&LE 83400-83499 and 83500-83891
beginning in the late 1930s.
See Ted Culotta's article in the July 2004 issue of Railroad Model
Craftsman for more information on improving this kit.
Note too that Ted is now offering a very nice decal set for this and other
steel NYC Lines cars.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Tichy USRA steel-side rebuild boxcars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Blair Kooistra wrote:
"I guess I never realized, until seeing it in Tony Koester's Boxcar
Primer in the latest MR, that Tichy produced a kit for a rebuilt
USRA boxcar. I've been wanting to add a steel-sided rebuild of a
single-sheathed car, so I'm curious as to what railroad and number
series this car might be accurate for. I see Tichy offers it with a
choice of NYC, P&LE or PM[cK]&Y reporting marks, so I'll go out on a
limb and assume this car is correct for these road names.

The Tichy #4028 kit has been on the market since the early 1990s,
and Tichy also offered decals for this kit for PRR and DT&I Class
X26C boxcars, which this model is definitely not. The only correct
prototypes are:
- PMcK&Y 83400-83499, Lot 630-B, 100 cars, rebuilt 1935
- PMcK&Y 83500-83891, Lot 638-B, 392 cars, rebuilt 1936-37
- Cars transferred to the P&LE as P&LE 83400-83499 and 83500-83891
beginning in the late 1930s.

NYC is NOT correct for this model. None of the NYC or MCRR USRA SS
boxcars were rebuilt, and while the Central had large numbers of
rebuilt boxcars, they differed significantly in detail.

See Ted Culotta's article in the July 2004 issue of Railroad Model
Craftsman for more information on improving this kit.


"Any others?"

Not out of the box. The car is superficially similar to some other
rebuilt boxcars, but the combination of eight panel sides,
rectangular panel roof, 1/5/5/5 Murphy ends and 9 ft 4 in IH isn't
close to any other prototype save one. In 1934, Wabash rebuilt 514
double sheathed boxcars into steel sheathed boxcars, WAB 82000-
82513. Differences from the Tichy kit are 9 ft 2 in IH, 7/8 Murphy
ends, slightly different Youngstown doors, and fishbelly center
sills. Sunshine offers a Mini-Kit with these parts to do this
conversion.


Ben Hom


Re: Tichy USRA steel-side rebuild boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Blair, Ben wrote up a roster list a couple of days ago showing the
PMcK&Y cars were later changed to P&LE. That's it, no NYC as far
as I know.

The cars are very similar to some Wabash and DT&I cars. Sunshine
made a minikit to model the Wabash car.

Tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: <bkooistra@sbcglobal.net>
I guess I never realized, until seeing it in Tony Koester's Boxcar Primer in
the latest MR, that Tichy produced a kit for a rebuilt USRA boxcar.
thanks,
blair kooistra
fort worth, tx


Tichy USRA steel-side rebuild boxcars

bkooistra@...
 

I guess I never realized, until seeing it in Tony Koester's Boxcar Primer in the latest MR, that Tichy produced a kit for a rebuilt USRA boxcar. I've been wanting to add a steel-sided rebuild of a single-sheated car, so I'm curious as to what railroad and number series this car might be accurate for. I see Tichy offers it with a choice of NYC, P&LE or PM&Y reporting marks, so I'll go out on a limb and assume this car is correct for these road names. Any others?

thanks,

blair kooistra
fort worth, tx


Re: Kadee's New Hopper - First Look

Tim O'Connor
 

Kadee also has pics of the undec and detail photos... The
description of the Reading model includes "lump egg coal".
Does this mean Kadee means to offer different grades of
coal, correct for each prototype?? :-)

I thought the fancy Reading cars were assigned to iron ore
service from Philadelphia. Is that not true?

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com>
Okay guys, here it is:
http://www.kadee.com/ca/50ton/7010l.htm
Enjoy,
Shawn Beckert


Re: Kadee's New Hopper - First Look

Tim O'Connor
 

Please tell me that the car is 100% correct for Reading!

(Are the side stake angles oriented correctly?)

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com>
Okay guys, here it is:
http://www.kadee.com/ca/50ton/7010l.htm
Enjoy,
Shawn Beckert


Re: Kadee's New Hopper - First Look

Scott Pitzer
 

And I suppose the brake step only comes in Apex! <g>

Scott Pitzer

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com>
Sent: Apr 10, 2006 4:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Kadee's New Hopper - First Look

Okay guys, here it is:

http://www.kadee.com/ca/50ton/7010l.htm

Enjoy,

Shawn Beckert







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Re: Kits

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
What evidence does anyone have for the "fall-off in interest in model
RRing among the next generations"?
There is no such evidence that I know of.
The circles I move these days are filled w/ teenage model railroaders: but
they're doing Train Sim's on their PC. Their costs are nominal and the
space:result ratio is far superior to traditional MR'ing. The modeling is
the same, the artistic eye is the same, the research is the same, only the
tools and physical nature differ. Most of these kids are interested in
modern stuff, esp. locomotives. It's the older modelers who look for steam
and/or show any interest in period rolling stock. And there are some niche
players -- traction guys -- who definitely are on the lookout for steam era
freight car information.

Dave Nelson


Re: B&O Mather Stock Cars

Scott Pitzer
 

Brian,
I did my B&O 112193 (probably the kit's number) with Richard's help. My notes show your MRG Nov 87, plus RailModel Journal, Feb 97, and B&OHS Sentinel, Summer 96. I enlarged the top slot on the sides, added a feed door on the upper part of the A end, and removed the poling pockets. I used Tichy Andrews trucks.
I used the kit's fill-in pieces for the solid ends, but they are kinda funky-- the prototype solid ends don't look "filled in" they just look solid.
It seemed to me Life-Like had cheated a bit on placing the reweigh stenciling, to get all those letters to fit-- "MSCCO CR 0-00"-- so I did it over. But "1-51" was the only date skinny enough to fit! I was under the impression they only simplified it to "CR 0-00" later on. But in B&O Color Guide there's a 1962 photo of a double-deck car stenciled "C-R 8-51"

Scott Pitzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@bluemoon.net>
Sent: Apr 9, 2006 7:04 PM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] B&O Mather Stock Cars

I'm building a P2k Mather Stock Car for the B&O. I am using Richard
Hendrickson's article in the November 1987 Model Railroading for prototype
guidance. The article contains photographs of B&O 110023, 110566, 111147,
and 112577. Cars 110023, 110566, and 111147 have slatted ends. 112577 has
solid ends. Is there a rhyme or reason to the end configuration of the cars
on the B&O? The kit road number is 112117, and I want to build it with the
correct ends if known.

Also, it appears andrews trucks are appropriate for the B&O cars in the mid
1950's? Do the B&O experts agree?


Kadee's New Hopper - First Look

Shawn Beckert
 

Okay guys, here it is:

http://www.kadee.com/ca/50ton/7010l.htm

Enjoy,

Shawn Beckert


Re: Kits

Charlie Vlk
 

Andy-
Me too!!!! At any rate, let's enjoy the Hobby and share it with as many people (civilians, new MRs, established "lone wolves", and others) as we can!!!
I am afraid that gloom and doom talk can become a self-fulfilling prophecy!!
Charlie Vlk
-----

You have your finger on the pulse of the hobby better than I do. I
certainly hope you are right. > Andy Miller


Re: Kits

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

My daughter built a couple of blue box kits but liked riding real trains
better, and still does. However at age 17 she made spending money by scratch
building side extensions for chip gons (freight car content) board by board
from styrene. She must have made 20-30 sets. Now, 10 years later, she's at
Oxford learning to be a professor. Unfortunately her subject is religious
history when it should be industrial history.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: MC & NYC Boxcar Images

al_brown03
 

In the large image, the final "I" of "KKKEI" looks real similar to
the "1" of "-21" just to its right; I can't help wondering if
the "I" isn't really a numeric "1" meaning January, with the stencil
being spaced strangely. "KKKE" isn't in the station-mark list in the
files; at a phonetic guess, Kankakee?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:

Wow! And that station mark: KKKEI! If you click on the 150dpi
version you can make out the number on the Wabash box car
too.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>
The image collection of the Library of Congress' American Memory
collection includes a number of railroad subjects, some of which
come from other collections. However, not all of these railroad
images are located where you would expect.

While I was researching outdoor advertising images I came across
a
Duke University image of a Michigan Central boxcar (92497) and a
New
York Central boxcar (243614) in a photo dated 1921. The detail
is
very good. The image can be seen at:

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/eaa/maxwell/M02/M0239-72dpi.html

Click on the image to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/ and

Model Railroads of Southern California
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/


RED STAR

bobbypitts44 <bobbypitts44@...>
 

Gee whiz Mike, I was going to talk about the red star the old USSR army
wore on their uniforms. Dispondent in south Ga., Bobby Pitts


ADMIN: Re: Oil Companies - Red Star= Terminated

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Someone notes:

Seem to recall the Berle show was called the Texaco Star Theatre.

And Tony Thompson responds:


Folks, this has NOTHING to do with freight cars. It ain't a
nostalgia list (at least, not only).
Tony is correct. If you want to talk about Milton Berle or Jack Benny or even Gengis Kahn...the STMFC ain't the place. The thread on the "red Star" is terminated...unless it's on a frt car. This IS the Steam Era Frt Car Group afterall.

Hmmm. The Jail has an empty cell now that I threw Schuyler back out on the street. His cell IS a bit messy I must admit. I don't do jail cells...

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Kits

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Charlie,

You have your finger on the pulse of the hobby better than I do. I
certainly hope you are right.


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:12 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Cc: timboconnor@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits

What evidence does anyone have for the "fall-off in interest in model
RRing
among the next generations"?
There is no such evidence that I know of. The readership of one
magazine
and the membership of the NMRA are not indicators of anything except
what
they are.
Check with Atlas and see how their track sales are going or with
Woodland
Scenics to see how many bags of ground-up walnut shells / foam they are

selling.
The Hobby of Model Railroading is doing just fine in spite of changes
in the
general population.
I'd wager that there are more people coming into the Hobby then ever
before
in its history.... and that there is more ACTIVITY in the Hobby with
more
miles of track in operation than ever.
Charlie Vlk


The lack of exposure to real trains is indeed the primary cause of
the
fall-off in interest in model RRing among the next generations.



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Re: Kits

Frank Greene <fgreen01@...>
 

There is a parallel to your thought in the operating steam corner of the hobby. Read the "Young Guns" article in the May Trains magazine. One of my college student sons is active in operating steam preservation and steam era modeling. An exception? No, the other son doesn't have much interest in steam (he likes to ride behind steam) or model building, so I'm batting .500. Unique individual? I'd say that about each of them, but none of us are "normal," are we?

I believe that as long as each of us supports manufacturers who provide us quality kits, we've done about as much as we can. I'm not losing sleep over something I can't control.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN
fgreen01@midsouth.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Miller, Andrew S.
Cc: timboconnor@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Kits



What does this have to do with Steam Era freight cars? Well, if the
interest in trains and especially steam era trains, dies with the next
generation, then we all lose, but then again we all will be gone and
not care. So to cover my bets I am Cling you an this directly.

regards,

Andy Miller


Re: Oil Companies - Red Star

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

At 01:41 PM 4/10/06, you wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Eva Hanger <mrslandser@...> wrote:

I cannot tell you the date when Texaco started using the Red Star,
The Texaco image with the red star was developed in 1915, the first oil company to develop a brand image and to operate gas stations in all 48 states. 1915-23 sign was red outlined porcelain sign with black outlines white centre circle. Large red star with black outlined green "T" in centre of star with black TEXACO across upper area of star, MOTOR OIL across lower area of star White GASOLINE arched around top, FILLING STATION around bottom. It's possible the star was used prior to this but my info (Oil Company Signs by Scott Benjamin & Wayne Henderson) doesn't mention anything. Texaco was founded in 1902.

Peter Bowers


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centrifical castings

ed_mines
 

Bob Weaver (Qualitycraft and some Models) used centrifical casting.
His cast parts from 20-30 years ago are magnificant.

Ed Mines


Re: NMRA calendar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ron Merrick wrote:
I just looked at the calender this morning. As it happens, it's very
small for a reason. I got out the magnifying glass and figured out a)
it's the Thumbs award, b) this month is April.
I'd give it a humor award, but classically Thumbs is something else.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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