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Re: Digest Number 3086

Malcolm H. Houck
 

In a message dated 4/8/2006 6:46:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
Wheel sets from Reboxx with longer axles would take up some of that
side-to-side slack but is that important?
Yes, and the coupler centering will be improved. You'll also find that
there's no "drop" of the axle-wheelset when the car is lifted off the track. You may
also find, as did I, that when ReBoxx sets of proper lengths are installed
the need for the shim washers to achieve correct coupler height may no be
needed, as well.
Given the cone shape of the bearing and axle tip, wouldn't the axles tend to
be self-
centering?
No, it doesn't work quite that way, though that's a facile notion embraced by
many. Rolling is improved by having the minimum surface of the axle cone in
contact with the [admittedly] poor internal bearing cone of the side frame. The
sideframes should be cleaned out with the ReBoxx (or similar) tool in
preparation for changing out the wheels.


Has anyone ever replaced the wheel sets in old Central Valley
trucks? I guess one would drill out the rivet (or rivets in the case
of six wheel trucks)
Some care must be taken with six-wheel trucks...........so the sideframes
don't fall apart. I wrap some vinyl tape around the sideframes while I'm drilling
and tapping for the new screws for re-assembly.
and replace the rivet with a small machine
screw.
Yes, it's fairly easily done..........
Is this worth doing from an operational point of view?
Absolutely, and the rolling qualities are vastly improved; -- enough so that
I sometime find it necessary to drill a tiny hole in the truck bolster to
insert a single whisker of a nylon hairbrush, just to add enough rolling
resistance so the "re-wheeled" CV truck don't drift on perfectly less than dead level
track!
Is it worth doing for appearance given that passenger car trucks are
usually less visible from the end that are freight car trucks?
As above................it's well worth doing.

Mal Houck


Re: HO scale freight car trucks

Jack Burgess
 

Dennis shared...

Use Accurail trucks, which are very close to scale width (Intentional
plug :-) I'm sure Andy Reichert will chime in about his scale width
Kadee trucks he is offering for P:87, which I believe he also offers
with .088 wide semi scale wheels.
What about scale width 5'-6" wheelbase arch bar trucks....?

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: HO scale freight car trucks

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

I just replaced the wheel sets in a pair of Kadee Vulcan trucks with
narrow-tread wheel sets (should I write wheelsets instead?) from
Intermountain. The replacement wheel sets appeared to have an axle
length very similar to the old Kadee axles. I did not measure them.
There was quite a bit of side-to-side movement possible with either
wheel sets. This did not seem to affect the rolling qualities at
all. Appearance was improved though.

Wheel sets from Reboxx with longer axles would take up some of that
side-to-side slack but is that important? Given the cone shape of
the bearing and axle tip, wouldn't the axles tend to be self-
centering?
Gene,

It's important if you intend to use any of the smaller "scale size"
couplers, as these couplers have a smaller "gathering range", and are
therefore more prone to miss if the car bodies aren't centered on the
track, with an attendant decline in coupler reliability. I know logic
would suggest that the tapered axle ends would keep the cars centered,
but in reality the centering forces are small compared to the other
forces acting on cars in a train. Years ago, when I was experimenting
with the old Kadee 711 "Old Timer" coupler I noticed this; two cars
could be uncoupled on a tangent, one of the cars then used as a
"handle" (idler) to push into industrial trackage, and when the
original car came back out, it would not re-couple to the car left on
the main. The foces acting on the car as it curved through the
diverging routes of turnouts were enough to make the carbody crowd to
one side, and there was not enough running on the tangent to make it
self center again. The solution was to equip all the test cars with
brass axles custom make to fit each car, and then coupling reliability
increased dramatically. Unfortunately, the couplers had other problems
that were not so easily overcome, and my experiment ended.

Your best course of action, if you want to use both near scale wheels
and couplers, is to invest in a Reboxx sampler set, and closely match
the axle length to the trucks.


Has anyone experimented with a narrower (shorter) replacement truck
bolster for Kadee trucks? Most model trucks apppear to me to be
wider than if a prototype truck was literally scaled down to HO or, I
suppose, any other scale for that matter. Couldn't slightly narrower
bolsters be machined from brass or something?
Use Accurail trucks, which are very close to scale width (Intentional
plug :-) I'm sure Andy Reichert will chime in about his scale width
Kadee trucks he is offering for P:87, which I believe he also offers
with .088 wide semi scale wheels.

Dennis


Re: Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet photos

Bruce Smith
 

On Fri, April 7, 2006 7:31 pm, Frank Greene wrote:
I have created an album of Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet photos at
<http://frankg290.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=11534>.
Enjoy,

Frank Greene
Frank.

Is the meet only open to modelers of southeastern prototypes or was that
your selection of models to photograph? <G> (I say that tongue in cheeck,
because I know that the meet is open to anyone who shows up, as are all of
these wonderful meets! - just wish I had time and $$ enough to go to them
all!!)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL (but modeling PRR, as 99.9% of y'all know <VBG>)


Re: Athearn Gondolas

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Richard,

Check out M. B. Klein in Baltimore, MD at www.modeltrainstuff.com Their ad in Railroad Model Craftsman indicates there is a $50.00 minimum purchase for international orders. I have no idea about shipping costs.

I have no business interest in Klein's other than being a very satisfied customer for 30 years.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
www.pocahontasmodels.com

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Athearn Gondolas

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Can anyone point me to a dealer who offers discounted prices and who would


Re: HO scale freight car trucks

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:

Has anyone ever replaced the wheel sets in old Central Valley trucks? I guess one would drill out the rivet (or rivets in the case of six wheel trucks) and replace the rivet with a small machine screw. Is this worth doing from an operational point of view? Is it worth doing for appearance given that passenger car trucks are usually less visible from the end that are freight car trucks?
Yes. For CV trucks that have rivets drill out the rivets on one side and tap for 2-56 machine screw. Not every CV truck needs replacement wheelsets, though. Some have very good rolling characteristics already. It seems that CV wheelset quality varied at different times . Denny Anspach is the expert on this, I got the technique from his discussion on the Passenger Car List. He purchased a Reboxx Roll Tester and tests all his trucks on it. I do the same, but once the trucks are mounted under a freight car (mandatory STMFC content) I test the car on the six foot section of track that has a one inch ramp for the first foot. If the car bounces off the foam rubber at the end, it passes. Even Kadee trucks can benefit from replacement wheelsets. The only trucks I have found that pass without upgrading wheelsets are some CV trucks, a few Kadee trucks, and almost all D & G trucks.

Regards, Spen Kellogg


Re: HO scale freight car trucks

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Gene,
I have done the same for cars that need that extra bit of weight, but be
careful to get the insulated sides on the wheelsets correct! We had an
intermittant short during an op session, and you know who's new car was the
culprit....
Haven't tried new bolsters.
Try a jewelers apron to save your knees(it is getting to be holy week!)
Joe Binish


HO scale freight car trucks

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

I just replaced the wheel sets in a pair of Kadee Vulcan trucks with
narrow-tread wheel sets (should I write wheelsets instead?) from
Intermountain. The replacement wheel sets appeared to have an axle
length very similar to the old Kadee axles. I did not measure them.
There was quite a bit of side-to-side movement possible with either
wheel sets. This did not seem to affect the rolling qualities at
all. Appearance was improved though.

Wheel sets from Reboxx with longer axles would take up some of that
side-to-side slack but is that important? Given the cone shape of
the bearing and axle tip, wouldn't the axles tend to be self-
centering?

Has anyone experimented with a narrower (shorter) replacement truck
bolster for Kadee trucks? Most model trucks apppear to me to be
wider than if a prototype truck was literally scaled down to HO or, I
suppose, any other scale for that matter. Couldn't slightly narrower
bolsters be machined from brass or something?

Has anyone ever replaced the wheel sets in old Central Valley
trucks? I guess one would drill out the rivet (or rivets in the case
of six wheel trucks) and replace the rivet with a small machine
screw. Is this worth doing from an operational point of view? Is it
worth doing for appearance given that passenger car trucks are
usually less visible from the end that are freight car trucks?

Gene Green
Who is finally back to modeling. I spend a lot of time on my knees,
not in prayer, but looking for lost parts.


Re: Athearn Gondolas

Richard White
 

Dear Group,
Following the discussion about Athearn's plans to produce their 65'6" Mill
Gondola lettered for C&NW and to re-issue the old MDC 40' gondola lettered
for C&O, I have been trying my usual sources and Walthers to find out when
these might be available and how much they are likely to cost. I don't have
part numbers or any details like that.
The response I am getting from Walthers and others is that they no longer
carry Athearn, the smaller dealers say that Athearn will only supply
retailers with a storefront.
Can anyone point me to a dealer who offers discounted prices and who would
supply me by mail to Botswana.
Thank you for your help.
Richard White





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Re: photo of R-40-25

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

From that photo it looks like the car was stationary i.e. no longer
a piece of "rolling stock" as it were, but just a storage shed. Lots
of freight cars end up that way but it's not usually referred to as
"company service".

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
The car is lettered for "PFE Heater Storage" - isn't that "company service"?
http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/pfe4537.jpg
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet photos

Frank Greene <fgreen01@...>
 

I have created an album of Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet photos at <http://frankg290.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=11534>. Enjoy,

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN
fgreen01@midsouth.rr.com


Freight car washing (was Photo of R-40-25)

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
maybe it would be
interesting to explore how many reefer owners washed cars at all?
More generally, how many *freight car* owners washed cars at all? I
vaguely recall reading, somewhere, that the Chicago & Illinois Midland
washed everything including hoppers. But how (un)common was that?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


1/2 off Branchline Freight Cars

Andy Carlson
 

Almost all cars below are priced at $8.00 ea.

I have the following cars available for sale priced at
one half-off the MSRP. I am selling at this price only
in quantities of 8, which fit in a Flat-rate box
($8.20 to anywhere in the US)

Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
midcentury@sbcglobal.net

1001 50' SD Riveted ATSF (1 only)
1002 " " " ERIE (1)
1003 " " " MILW (2)
1006 " " " T&P (1)
1007 " " " IC (1)
1009 " " " NYC (1)
1011 " " " PRR (1)
1012 " " " Wabash (1)
1013 " " " B&O (2)
1015 " " " MEC (1)
1016 " " " C&EI (1)
1017 " " " EL (1)
1018 " " " WM (2)
1021 " " " RI (1)
1022 " " " C&O (1)
1023 " " " GTW (1)
1024 " " " P&E (1)
1028 " " " ATSF (1)
1104 50' DD B&O (1)
1108 " " IC (1)
1114 " " ERIE (1)
1124 " " EL (2)
1406 40' boxcar CN (1)
1407 " " CNW (3)
*1408 " " CP (1) (* indicates
*1430 " " SOO (1) $18.00
*1434 " " UP (2) List Price)
1424 " " NKP (1)
1438 " " ATSF (2)
9013 " " SP&S (4)
9022 " " MEC (4)
1506 40' 8' door IC (1)
1507 " " " KCS (1)
1509 " " " MP (1)
1513 " " " RDG (1)
1514 " " " Sou (1)
1601 40" 7' door BCK (1)
1602 " " " D&TS (1)
1606 " " " LV (1)
1610 " " " TP&W (1)
1702 50' AAR Plug D CGW (1)
1707 " " " NKP (1)
1802 50' Plug GATC Frisco (1)
1806 " " " SP (3)
1811 " " " MKT (1)
1813 " " " SSW (2)
1815 " " " DRGW (2)
1819 " " " UP (1)
1901 50' Welded SD N&W (2)
1907 " " " RI (2)
1910 " " " ACL (1)
1911 " " " KCS (1)
1912 " " " DL&W (1)
2004 50' 9'D Riveted LV (1)
2006 " " " MILW (1)
2008 " " " SBD (1)
2011 " " " N&W (2)
9014 50' SD Riveted PRR (4)

All cars are $16.00 List price except for the marked
(*) items- those are $18.00 List.

Eight car minimums at this price. Add $2.00/ car for
quantities less than 8.


Kadee's new hopper

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Has a picture of the new Kadee offering been posted anywhere yet?

Gene Green


Re: Casting rubbers and resin

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks to all who continue to contribute to this very interesting
and, I hope, useful thread.

About the powder, is it difficult to cover the entire mold evenly?

Would one put more than enough powder in, shake it around, and dump
the excess?

Does the powder stay in the mold or come out with the resin casting?

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote:

Corn starch.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:16 PM, eabracher@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/7/06 12:06:04 PM, lrkdbn@... writes:

Note the it helps (to get the best castings) to dust
the mold with baby powder
Talc or corn starch?

eric


Re: Casting rubbers and resin

ljack70117@...
 

Corn starch.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net

On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:16 PM, eabracher@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 4/7/06 12:06:04 PM, lrkdbn@aol.com writes:


Note the it helps (to get the best castings) to dust
the mold with baby powder
Talc or corn starch?

eric






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Re: photo of R-40-25

Bruce Smith
 

On Fri, April 7, 2006 3:03 pm, Anthony Thompson wrote:
John Riba wrote:
The reefer car in the photo is probably in company service and
therefore has a
rusty exterior not just dirty. They wouldn't clean it up because
there was no need to.
Perhaps someone in charge had it left this way in order to initiate
debate among modelers.
"Company service?" Remember, John, PFE owned its own cars but
very few facilities. The only "company service" would be ice service to
ice decks, and in that case, PFE pretty consistently lettered the car
with that legend.
Tony,

The car is lettered for "PFE Heater Storage" - isn't that "company service"?
http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/pfe4537.jpg

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: photo of R-40-25

Jack Mullen
 

Tony,
this thead no longer leads back to its origin, but I think it was
about the photo of an R-40-25 stencilled "PFE HEATER STORAGE" which
would be the other likely type of company service for PFE. Might
even be something about it in that PFE book... ;)

Jack Mullen


In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

John Riba wrote:
The reefer car in the photo is probably in company service
and
therefore has a
rusty exterior not just dirty. They wouldn't clean it up
because
there was no need to.
Perhaps someone in charge had it left this way in order to
initiate
debate among modelers.
"Company service?" Remember, John, PFE owned its own cars
but
very few facilities. The only "company service" would be ice
service to
ice decks, and in that case, PFE pretty consistently lettered the
car
with that legend. There may have been cars of this class in SP or
UP
company service, but in that case cars would have been transferred
and
lettered SPMW or UPMW.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: photo of R-40-25

David Smith <dsmith@...>
 

That's what my father used to say when we asked why things were a
certain way or why he did them a certain way... "to make you ask
questions!" Maybe someone should write a steam era FAQ where that is
the answer to all questions about why the railroads did the things they
did.

Dave Smith, who has been known to take a rock out of his backpack when
it got too heavy in the field and think, "this'll give the next
geologist to work here a puzzle."

Perhaps someone in charge had it left this way in order to initiate
debate among modelers.


Re: photo of R-40-25

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Riba wrote:
The reefer car in the photo is probably in company service and therefore has a
rusty exterior not just dirty. They wouldn't clean it up because there was no need to.
Perhaps someone in charge had it left this way in order to initiate debate among modelers.
"Company service?" Remember, John, PFE owned its own cars but very few facilities. The only "company service" would be ice service to ice decks, and in that case, PFE pretty consistently lettered the car with that legend. There may have been cars of this class in SP or UP company service, but in that case cars would have been transferred and lettered SPMW or UPMW.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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