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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ed Hawkins writes about the new Kadee AAR Standard 34 ft hopper:

The model is reasonably accurate for Alton (later to GM&O), ATSF, C&EI,
C&I, CG, CIL, D&H, GA, GM&O, MILW, NC&StL, NS, NYC, RDG, SB, and SLOF
(later to C&EI). All of these cars had vertical angles supporting the
ends, which were flat, and side sills that were level from the bolsters
to the corner posts. As I stated earlier, some cars require some
different door locking mechanisms.
Presumably negating as Ed said earlier a Kadee painted SLSF and Santa Fe car. It is not Kadee's fault, of course, that the RRs seemed to live by a "not invented here" syndrome but to make an AAR Standard 2 bay hopper without the likes of Santa Fe, Frisco, B&O and L&N seems akin to making a Challenger steam loco for all roads except UP and NP or a USRA 2-8-8-2 without the N&W version. I am guessing that the popular PS-1 generated a collector mentality and so might this car but it still seems odd....and a bit disappointing...that the "major" users are missing in action.
Mike Brock


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

An interesting characteristic of the internet is the tendency for one to see
things as one sees things in their own world. Thus, I might send what I
consider to be an important message and when I don't receive a reply from
someone, I might wonder...what's wrong with that guy? I might assume he's
ignoring me and even get upset about it. Then I find that he's in China for
several weeks or his computer hard drive crashed or the guy is in jail. I
mean...who knows?


Mike Brock


In jail for carrying a concealed handgun across state lines...




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Prototype N Scale Models
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Re: Painted wheelsets...

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

Last week I did some paint research on Yosemite Valley Railroad
caboose 15
on display near Yosemite National Park. The faces of the wheelsets
on this
caboose are currently painted black although photos suggest that
the
wheelsets were painted boxcar red along with the trucks when the
car was in
operation. While I did find evidence of boxcar red on some truck
parts such
as the sides of the journals, I didn't find any paint color under
the
current black on the wheelsets themselves. I know that wheelsets
are not
painted these days in order to make cracks and defects more
obvious.
However, I was under the impression that wheelsets were painted
(most likely
the same color as the trucks) back in the steam era. Is that a
correct
assumption? When did the non-paint practice start?

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Jack -

I do not know about YV equipment, but Missouri Pacific painted
the entire underframes, couplers, truck sideframes, truck bolsters,
and wheels & axles of freight cars with black paint from at least
1927 up through 1956 or so. I have documented this on numerous cars
I have measured, with some MW cars still having painted wheels,
couplers and trucks (from the steam era) as late as the early
1980's. I recall that M-K-T covered hoppers may also have had
matching gray paint on the truck sideframes, but wheels and couplers
were unpainted. I think it was primarily an economy thing - some
railroads were more "tight" with the use of personnel and paint, and
some (like MP) were "spit and polish" to a fault - MP used pure
silver leaf to letter their steam locos right to the end in the
1950's, for instance. A.T. Kott


Re: Another PFE reefer....

Andy Carlson
 

Actually. I should have said -25 (the -24 is a plywood
car).

The incorrect ends used on the R-40-25 were the same
end as IM used on the R-40-23. The R-40-23 had no thin
top rib, the -25 should have this thin rib which goes
missing on the IM -25. The R-40-23 has a side sill tab
which supports the side sill corner step, this should
be absent on the -25, along with the -23s poling
pocket. R-40-25s are quickly identified by the
corners, this ID suffers in HO scale when the -23
pieces are used. The car really needs a new end. The
sides (essentially unchanged from the -23-except for
the sill tab area)and newly tooled diagonal panel roof
look good to me.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- cobrapsl@aol.com wrote:

Andy, Over the years I have had a couple of
conversations with you and Dan Smith about the short
comings of the Intermountain R-40-24. Unforunately,
it was usally at an event where I was somewhat
distracted by the the surroundings, meaning I was
not paying as close attention as I should have been.
Therefore, could you, again, give us a brief
summary of the models inaccuracies?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Another PFE reefer....


Not if it is done as badly as the -24...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
--- asychis@aol.com wrote:
So I guess no
one really wants an R40-26....



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Re: Another PFE reefer....

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul,

Intermountain made an R-40-24 ??

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: cobrapsl@aol.com
Andy, Over the years I have had a couple of conversations with you
and Dan Smith about the short comings of the Intermountain R-40-24.


Re: Sunshine mini-kit (was Kadee's new hopper)

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed or anyone, do you know the answer to the question about
whether the Sunshine mini-kit for the alternate standard car
would be applicable (given what you know about the side sills,
ends and door locks) to the Kadee car? I assume the Kadee is
correctly dimensioned, but I don't know if the castings will then
match it since I think they were matched to the Atlas body.
I am particularly interested in NP and C&O cars for which I have
the mini-kits.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Another PFE reefer....

Paul Lyons
 

Andy, Over the years I have had a couple of conversations with you and Dan Smith about the short comings of the Intermountain R-40-24. Unforunately, it was usally at an event where I was somewhat distracted by the the surroundings, meaning I was not paying as close attention as I should have been. Therefore, could you, again, give us a brief summary of the models inaccuracies?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Another PFE reefer....


Not if it is done as badly as the -24...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
--- asychis@aol.com wrote:
So I guess no
one really wants an R40-26....



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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Let's see... will the NYC fans buy blocks of 50 hoppers? Doubtful... I think
a few B&O fans will, and CNJ too. (Lots of rich modelers back east.) MP...
nah. SLSF... nope. AT&SF... yes I agree this might be the biggest seller of
all. (Santa Fe fans are legion; almost as many as PRR.) In 10+ years at
my train club I have yet to spot an L&N or NC&StL freight car of any kind.
And we model a railroad line that traverses Kentucky east to west! I think
the locks sound ok for C&NW/CMO -- could be another good seller. I do
like the Southern very much (it interchanges with the Chesapeake & Lake
Erie at several points) but I have this really nicely decorated set of Athearn
cars I got for about $6 each.... not sure about the door locks used by the
Southern anyway.

Ben says to be patient... ok, I'm trying... (breathe...exhale...breathe...)

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@brevard.net>

Well, Ed Hawkins seems to be saying that it is "correct" for about 16 RRs.
The RPCyc article lists quite a few RRs but determining which are correct
for the car's particular version will take some time. I would suggest
finding a copy of the RPCyc and doing your own evaluation...then you could
tell US...or wait until someone else does it.

Mike Brock


Re: Another PFE reefer....

Andy Carlson
 

Not if it is done as badly as the -24...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
--- asychis@aol.com wrote:
So I guess no

one really wants an R40-26....


Re: Another PFE reefer....

Andy Carlson
 

Not if it is done as badly as the -24...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
--- asychis@aol.com wrote:
So I guess no

one really wants an R40-26....


Sherman Hill's Revenge

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

From reading the various messages associated with the new Kadee AAR Standard two bay hopper, I'm curious about such modelers as those that do the B&O, L&N, NYC, MP, Sou, T&P and some of the minor roads like the NC&STL and South Buffalo....<G for Bill>.

RRs like the B&O and L&N commonly operated long blocks of hopper cars. Presumably modelers of both RRs have acquired large fleets of both Athearn and Atlas cars. How does one place these new, state of the art cars in blocks with those having ladder rungs so big only John Henry could get his hand around? I was chided during Prototype Rails for running two covered hoppers together...Westvaco...one with Bowser as delivered step rungs, one with scale sized replacements. So, do you just plop them in the blocks of cars?

In my case...heh, heh...I have no such blocks. Sherman Hill's revenge. Hence, an occasional Kadee car will show up but will not upstage another similar hopper car. John Henry worked for N&W or C&O or some such RR. Larry Jackman worked for UP <g>.

Mike Brock


Re: Another PFE reefer....

Paul Lyons
 

Still not RIGHT, trying to watch the basketball game-R-40-25.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Another PFE reefer....

Paul Lyons
 

Tim, R-40-23. Lost my head.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Jim Mischke asks:

What road names are the new Kadee offset side twin hoppers accurate
for??
Well, Ed Hawkins seems to be saying that it is "correct" for about 16 RRs. The RPCyc article lists quite a few RRs but determining which are correct for the car's particular version will take some time. I would suggest finding a copy of the RPCyc and doing your own evaluation...then you could tell US...or wait until someone else does it.

Mike Brock


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Garth Groff notes:


Jim,

I hope you won't take this unfortunate misunderstanding personally.
These are great guys, and NO, they don't hoard their information. I have
never seen so much information shared so generously.
A lot depends on the luck of the draw. Sometimes the guys
who know just aren't checking the board that day.
An interesting characteristic of the internet is the tendency for one to see things as one sees things in their own world. Thus, I might send what I consider to be an important message and when I don't receive a reply from someone, I might wonder...what's wrong with that guy? I might assume he's ignoring me and even get upset about it. Then I find that he's in China for several weeks or his computer hard drive crashed or the guy is in jail. I mean...who knows? It's best to just wait and if one doesn't get the expected response...send the message again.

Mike Brock


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Well, who knows where research will lead. Maybe B&O did get yet more
hoppers from Sacramento Northern. Thank you for your thoughts.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

Jim,

I hope you won't take this unfortunate misunderstanding personally.
These are great guys, and NO, they don't hoard their information. I
have
never seen so much information shared so generously.

Sometimes nobody has answered my questions. Sometimes I get more
than I
bargained for. A lot depends on the luck of the draw. Sometimes the
guys
who know just aren't checking the board that day. A lot of folks
here
post from work (when we should be doing productive things for our
employers ;-) ) and can't always remember to look things up
answers
for questions to post on the following day.

One or two of the guys here are a bit crusty, but like French
bread, it
gives them character. There is also a lot of teasing on this group.
This
I avoid so there's no misunderstanding, but many of these guys know
each
other well from years of meets, conventions, and yes, drinking
bouts.

It pays to have a thick skin, and not take anything, especially
disappointments, too seriously.

By the way, you asked for PRR diagrams. Most of them are online.
Try
http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ . It may take some digging to find, but
they are
there someplace.

If you ever need information on the Sacramento Northern, I am
available.
And also the Nelson & Albemarle, but then a railroad only 12 miles
long
that leased all its equipment is easy to become an expert on.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

jim_mischke wrote:

Without having to take said chill pill, I have now recieved a
dozen
constructive suggestions, book citations and xeroxing offers of
help
with most railroad diagrams requested. Thank you all!

My comment about " .. or is everyone here close with their source
material .. " was sharp and out of line. I apologize.

I do wonder, however, why a question about 48' Athearn gondola
ribbing can draw fifteen posts here in an afternoon while a
serious
source material question like mine goes uncommented upon by anyone
for days.

Until recently, I have seldom found decent information on the web
and
it is still all too rare. There are too many self appointed
experts
and cheap scanners filling cyberspace with folklore, falsehoods,
unvetted data, unusable images, and misinterpreted captions. My
main
thing is B&O locomotives and is a vast factual wasteland out
there.
Some good material is posted, it is just too dilute. For me, it
is
far more efficient and effective to network with the real experts,
on
line and off, and share xerox source material. I'll take personal
visitation and snail mail over the web any day.

Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W
and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy
as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.








Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

B&O used a hyphen in its freight car designations. As the Standard
Railroad of Eastern Maryland.


The google search engine can bring you a lot of material. So can a
garbage truck.








--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Apr 3, 2006, at 1:18 PM, jim_mischke wrote:
Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W
and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy
as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.
Surely you've heard of GOOGLE before now?! ;^) It is usually
right
there in your browser menu bar, but if not, try
http://www.google.com/

In case anyone thinks I'm not being fair because Jim used "X-43"
instead of the correct "X43" and therefore wouldn't have found it
anyway, I checked and GOOGLING "PRR X-43" brings up Rob's page
first
too! Talk about making sure that your web presence is
accessible!!!)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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IM R40-23 ansd R40-25

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:19:27 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
The incorrect ends used on the R-40-25 were the same
end as IM used on the R-40-23.

I'm curious about this. Not on the R40-25s produced by the Amarillo Railroad
Museum. We had the correct end and roof cast specifically by IM for this
car. Which R40-25s are you speaking of?

Jerry Michels,


Re: Digest Number 3077

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:19:27 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
Not if it is done as badly as the -24...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
--- asychis@aol.com wrote:
So I guess no
one really wants an R40-26....
24? Did IM do an R40-24? I thought that was the aluminum cars. I thought
they did teh -23 and we did the -25.

Jerry Michels


Re: Painted wheelsets...

Jack Burgess
 

That siding which needs to be replaced will be replaced with milled T&G. The
roof covering won't be that authentic....it is a rubberized material; a
friend who is restoring a YV observation car used the same material on his
project. The Park service isn't doing an extremely accurate job on the
restoration and is more concerned about future maintenance (i.e., the
smokejack won't be reinstalled nor will the roofwalk in an attempt to avoid
future water leaks due to roof penetrations) and vandalism (no ladders will
be installed). I've been asked to provide a paint color and lettering and I
want those to be accurate regardless of the rest of the project. I can give
you more information on the roof off-list if you are interested....

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

Jack,

I'm curious what you intend to use for car siding and roof covering,
but perhaps you should respond off list.

Dennis

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