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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

mjmcguirk@...
 

At last, we can talk . . . oh, and it's not a 1932 ARA boxcar . . . (as an aside, I think that's the one car we'll NEVER see accurately and completely done in injection molded plastic . . .

Bill, have you seen the Intermountain FGE reefer yet? MAtt was going to send you test shots -- I have a couple of sets of parts if you haven't seen them yet.

Marty McGuirk


Kadee's new offset twin hopper

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

No information on Kadee's website this morning, but I noted in the New
Product section of the latest RMC the news that Kadee's next release
will the AAR standard two-bay offset twin hopper. Like I said ya'll
road modelers will want many of these, unless they are modeling the
Clinchfield.

Bill Welch


Re: Code 88 wheels?

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Manfred Lorenz" <germanfred55@...> wrote:


Would it have been a solution if one put a piece of angle iron on the
rail heads to bridge the flangeway?

Manfred
Tried that once. There was no way to get an angle iron between the
flange and rail; the flange just pushed it along. This is full size
railroad equipment, where fingers are soft, squishy, and expendable in
comparison.

Also thought about making a long steel shim to hook on the end of the
guard rail, but that didn't help the wheel drop problem. In reality,
jockeying back and forth was easy, and each time the car reversed, the
truck would turn a bit to accommodate the curve, and then the wheels
would track pretty well. We just needed someone on the ground to
confirm they were lined up with the frog flangeway before proceeding.

Dennis


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

mjmcguirk@...
 

Rob,

I won't thank you for your apology since you did nothing to offend me -- but I know it was heart felt.

I will thank you for the "meat" of your apology, which had a lot of interesting details on AA cars.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is exactly which book is "Craig's" ??? I might want to obtain a copy for my library.

Marty McGuirk


Re: Mopac Hoppers reported in Fraley's Wheel Reports (was Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News)

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Tim Gilbert wrote:

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"
According to cars reported by UP Conductor Fraley in his reports of
trains between Laramie & Rawlins WY:

MP #59513 designated HM - loaded westbound with coal for the Salt Lake
City area. 3/20/1949



Repeating myself, the Geneva Steel Works in Provo imported about 10% of
their coal requirements from Arkansas. They needed better met coal to blend
into the local stuff in order to get the coke quality they needed. That's
not to say it was always MP cars that carried that coal, or this particular
MP car is in that service, but it does establish a commodity flow that could
explain such sightings. Ditto for such sightings for the Fontana works in
So. California.

Dave Nelson


Re: Mopac Hoppers reported in Fraley's Wheel Reports (was Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News)

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:

Ben Hom writes:

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"

At least one MP coal car might have made it over Sherman Hill. On
page 33 of Tom Dill's Southern Pacific's Historic Overland Route
Color Pictoral, there's a 1958 photo taken at Sacramento Shops
showing a MoPac drop-bottom gon loaded with coal.
Actually, I have a photo showing Mopac hoppers in Laramie...a few miles west
of the Hill. I believe the latest frt canductor book also shows Mopac
hoppers traveling over Sherman Hill. And, there's a video showing a UP steam
emgine switching Mopac hoppers in...I believe...North Platte...but I'd have
to check that.
According to cars reported by UP Conductor Fraley in his reports of trains between Laramie & Rawlins WY:

11/20/1947 - MP #59356 designated HM - loaded eastbound with company coal for Sidney NE.
12/5/1947 - MP #59356 designated HT - an eastbound empty.
3/14/1949 - MP #59513 designated HM - loaded westbound with coal for the Salt Lake City area.
3/20/1949 - SLBM #65228 designated HT - an eastbound empty.

A little more frequent than N&W hoppers, and definitely more frequent than PRR hoppers.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ben Hom writes:

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"

At least one MP coal car might have made it over Sherman Hill. On
page 33 of Tom Dill's Southern Pacific's Historic Overland Route
Color Pictoral, there's a 1958 photo taken at Sacramento Shops
showing a MoPac drop-bottom gon loaded with coal.
Actually, I have a photo showing Mopac hoppers in Laramie...a few miles west of the Hill. I believe the latest frt canductor book also shows Mopac hoppers traveling over Sherman Hill. And, there's a video showing a UP steam emgine switching Mopac hoppers in...I believe...North Platte...but I'd have to check that.

Mike Brock


Re: Code 88 wheels?

Manfred Lorenz
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...> wrote:

And that brings me to my point. Typically, it was the leading wheel
that tried to pick the frog point on the diverging route through a
turnout, as the car was forcing that wheel against the outside of the
curve. However, it was the trailing wheel of each truck that was most
prone to dropping in the frog, as it was tight to the opposite rail, in
the least favorable position in relation to the frog. The solution was
interesting; after entering the curved switch rails, if the car was
jockeyed back and forth several times, the truck would adjust itself to
the direction of travel better, and would cause fewer problems at the
frog. Once through the frog, the cars were fine. >

Would it have been a solution if one put a piece of angle iron on the
rail heads to bridge the flangeway?

Manfred


Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:
"Well...I would say it's like simply getting hanged. The Accurail
Mopac 3 bay offset sided hopper might be an example. The car comes
lettered for Mopac and, within Accurail's "ball park" of accuracy is
a correct car for Mopac. Except...they painted it some rendition of
brown instead of black."

That's not the only hopper car mistake from Accurail:
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/2800/2810.jpg

The lettering is nicely executed, but the model is black instead of
freight car color! Additionally, it's got a bogus car number for
its class (Class GLF), which was PRR 250000, a single panel side
rebuild of a Class GLA twin.

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=BuildersPhotos/GLf_E12863_PRR250000_side.jpg&fr=

BTW, an modeling article on this car by Stan Rydarowicz appears in
the March RMJ. It suffers from an editorial butch job - Stan's base
kit is NOT the Tichy USRA twin as Schleicher published, but the
Bowser GLa. (I have the kit in front of me as I write this.) The kit
has a Bowser GLa body with laser-cut openings, resin blister panels,
and decals. The combination of laser-cut openings and separate
blister panels effectively represents the interior of this car.

Two caveats about kitbashing this car from the Bowser GLa using
Stan's conversion kit:

- The rebuilt car is 8" taller than the original Class GLa car. This
kit does NOT correct for this.

- The CK in the decal set leaves a lot to be desired. Replace it
with one from a Champ or Middle Division decal set.

That said, if you can live with the height discrepancy, this kit
builds into a beautiful model.

If you can't live with the height discrepancy, this car can be
kitbashed from the Accurail or Tichy panel side hopper, which will
give you the correct height. The side sills and ends need to be
modified, and the panels of the USRA rebuild are shaped differently
than the GLF.


Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"

At least one MP coal car might have made it over Sherman Hill. On
page 33 of Tom Dill's Southern Pacific's Historic Overland Route
Color Pictoral, there's a 1958 photo taken at Sacramento Shops
showing a MoPac drop-bottom gon loaded with coal.


Ben Hom


Re: MDC 40 ft Steel Gon Prototype (was Re: Athearn Gondola News)

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

The plastic underframe and separate sill steps for the MDC 36 ft cars is MDC tooling and was included with these cars before the company was sold.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] MDC 40 ft Steel Gon Prototype (was Re: Athearn Gondola News)


Vince Altiere asked:
"What, if anything, is the 40' gondola (ex-MDC) accurate for?
"Also, will this new version still have the all-metal underframe that
MDC used?"

You'll have to ask Athearn that question. FWIW, the MDC 36 ft boxcar
and reefer are now offered with plastic underframes, so there's
precedent for a new underframe on this model.


Ben Hom






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MDC 40 ft Steel Gon Prototype (was Re: Athearn Gondola News)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Vince Altiere asked:
"What, if anything, is the 40' gondola (ex-MDC) accurate for? I still
have one C&O version with the curved ends from the old days."

C&O 36000-36999, PSC, 1948:
<http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/gons/C&O-MDC-type-gon-
1949-cyc.jpg>
<http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/gons/MDC-gon-C&O.jpg>

"Also, will this new version still have the all-metal underframe that
MDC used?"

You'll have to ask Athearn that question. FWIW, the MDC 36 ft boxcar
and reefer are now offered with plastic underframes, so there's
precedent for a new underframe on this model.


Ben Hom


Railroad Brake Hoses

Edwin C. Kirstatter <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
 

To all,

I have two Railroad Brake hoses out upon my patio along
with a Century switch stand and some other railroad memorabilia.

One of the these hoses measures 1 3/4" O.D. and is marked C&NW Ry
Co.

The other measures 1 7/8" O.D. is a Dayco Gold Label M601-76

The larger one I believe to be a standard air brake hose. The smaller
one was used as a Diesel MU hose. This I was told to me by an active
railroad engineer.

Edwin C. Kirstatter.


Northwest Santa Fe Mini-Meet, April 22

John Thompson
 

If you are within driving range of the Seattle area, you are invited
to attend the 7th annual Mini-Meet of Santa Fe Railway fans and
modelers in the Northwest. It will take place from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.
on Sat., April 22, 2006, in conjunction with the annual open house of
the Boeing Employees Model Railroad Club in the Boeing Recreation
Activity Center (22649 83rd Av. S., Kent, WA).

The current agenda, subject to change, looks like this:

9:00 -10:00 - Register, pick up handouts, meet other attendees
10:00 - John Thompson on "Postwar Super Chief Consists and HO Models"
11:15 - Darrel Gordon on "Operating on the Valley Division"
12:00 - 1:00 - No host lunch break, $5 sandwich lunches available,
also tour the Boeing club's HO layout and Open House displays
1:00 - Introductions of Attendees, Show & Tell, Sales Tables
1:30 - Bill Messecar on "Santa Fe Stock Car Operations & HO Models"
2:45 - Ned Loos on "Building a Santa Fe Stock Pen Model"
3:00 - Jim Hayes on "Santa Fe HO Resin Freight Car Kits"
3:20 - Jon Harrison on "Building a Summit Depot Model"
3:35 - Santa Fe Video (1940s-50s) on Freight Operations
4:00 - Doug Nighswonger slide show of Santa Fe steam & diesel locos
5:00 - End mini-meet

Cost for the event and handouts is a $5 donation to cover our costs.

It is hosted by Bill Messecar and John Thompson.

For registration information and directions, contact me off-list at
JThomp1945@aol.com.

John Thompson


Re: Underframes 101

Jack Mullen
 

Air hose is 2" OD

No, the 1-3/8" dimension is the nominal ID, not OD.
Jack Mullen


Re: MDC 40 ft Steel Gon Prototype (was Re: Athearn Gondola News)

steel77086@...
 

Ben,

Thanks for the reply.

Vince Altiere


Re: Underframes please upload to wuarchive

Allen Rueter <allen@...>
 

On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 12:02:39AM -0700, Brian Botton wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 00:35 -0600, Allen Rueter wrote:
If someone can shoot me a copy of the underframes,
(please ftp upload to wuarchive.wustl.edu:/pub/incoming )
this is a write only place, i can then move it to a public place.

Thanks
Done.

Allen - please see my offline e-mail to you.

Brian Botton
Colorado Springs, CO
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Re: Underframes new download sopt

Allen Rueter <allen@...>
 

Enjoy,

http://www.cts.wustl.edu/~allen/ref_material/Freight_car_Underbody.pdf

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Re: Underframes 101

Jack Mullen
 

No, the 1-3/8" dimension is the nominal ID, not OD. (Same story as
pipe sizes.) I'll check the OD and post later today.

Jack Mullen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Art,
The outside diameter of the air hose is 1 3/8" as described on
page 4 of
the file.

Tom Olsen
7 boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Arthur Haberlin wrote:

Firstly thank you for all who found and then re-published this
paper, I have
downloaded from the STMFC files since I am currently on a slow
dial-up
connection.

I just have one question please.

Can anyone tell me what the actual outside diameter of the air
hose (the
flexible pipe itself) is?

There is an illustration with an annotation but the scan just
can't be read
by these old eyes!

Thank you in advance
Arthur Haberlin




I just made 47 downloads

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote: Douglas Harding
wrote:


The Freight Car Underbody Details handout by Gene Green, the pdf
version has been posted at:
http://rapidshare.de/files/16945521/Freight_car_Underbody.pdf.html

Thanks to Doug for preparing this scan, and of course Gene
Green's work in compiling it in the first place. It will be
interesting
to monitor the number of times it's downloaded. I noted when
doing so
that there had been 22 previous downloads. Maybe in a few days
Doug or
someone could update us on this number, which may have some
correlation
with the number of "serious" (or deranged) members of this list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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ADMIN: Brass Bealer's Business Practices = Not

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Man...you guys are working me these days. Three Admin messages in two days.

I guess some members either have poor memories, don't bother with the rules or...

Anyhow, as I have noted many more times than I can remember, the STMFC does NOT involve itself with the business practices of companies conducting businesses associated with the hobby. If you have a complaint...or knowledge [ real knowledge, not just hearsay ]...of a problem the group should know about, send it to me and I'll send it to the group if needed.

Note that I commented about the large collection at the 1977 National. I knew full well that there was some judicial issue with the owner but I do not know the facts. Misrepresenting them did not seem proper. Since then, there have been several messages about the guy...all incorrect. The guy was definitely not John Winston [ Balls of Brass ]...whom I know. Winston IS in Montana, still has an active website and, I assume, is active in his business. Considering that he conducts it mail order, he is very vulnerable to federal oversight and, if you have a complaint...there's where to go....not the STMFC.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Underframes 101

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Art,
The outside diameter of the air hose is 1 3/8" as described on page 4 of
the file.

Tom Olsen
7 boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu

Arthur Haberlin wrote:

Firstly thank you for all who found and then re-published this paper, I have
downloaded from the STMFC files since I am currently on a slow dial-up
connection.

I just have one question please.

Can anyone tell me what the actual outside diameter of the air hose (the
flexible pipe itself) is?

There is an illustration with an annotation but the scan just can't be read
by these old eyes!

Thank you in advance
Arthur Haberlin




I just made 47 downloads

Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote: Douglas Harding
wrote:


The Freight Car Underbody Details handout by Gene Green, the pdf
version has been posted at:

http://rapidshare.de/files/16945521/Freight_car_Underbody.pdf.html

Thanks to Doug for preparing this scan, and of course Gene
Green's work in compiling it in the first place. It will be interesting
to monitor the number of times it's downloaded. I noted when doing so
that there had been 22 previous downloads. Maybe in a few days Doug or
someone could update us on this number, which may have some correlation
with the number of "serious" (or deranged) members of this list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history






Yahoo! Groups Links








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