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Re: Stations & Reweigh Symbols, Rev. #3

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...> wrote:

Just a note to let you know that I have uploaded a revised file of
Stations & Reweigh Symbols to the files section of the list.

Here are a few more additions and correctionns to the SOO locations:

FN is actually the shops in NORTH Fond du Lac, WI, about three miles
north of FDL proper.

Thief River Falls is in MN
Gladstone is in MI
Harvey is in ND

Marquette is in MI, not IN, and should be noted that the Soo changed
this symbol from the MARQ that the DSS&A was using after the two roads
merged in 1961

Shoreham Shops is in MN, and the actual location is Minneapolis.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

It's not often I agree with Tim, although his modeling work
is gorgeous. But I second his suggestion this time.

Why, thank you Andy! Just for that I promise not to make fun of
your Belpaire boilered 2-8-4 Bowser rebuild for at least a week. :-)

(just kidding)

tim o



Other than the
ancient technology Trains Miniature (now Walthers Trainline and not
currently available) car, no one that I can recall has ever done a 40'
plug door ice reefer. And I carved up quite a few of my stash of those
to make stand-in REA 50' express reefers in 1987. (Ref my article in
1987 MR). They were they pride and joy of my M&E trains until last
year when the real McCoys started to appear from Walthers and
Branchline.

regards,

Andy Miller

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timboconnor@comcast.net
. . .

If that seems too similar to the Athearn reefer (and Walthers already
announced an FGE reefer), then a plug door 40 foot steel ice reefer
would be a good item... And you could get away with a heck of a lot of
paint schemes on those. Just do the same PC&F car Sunshine did; I
think Martin found a half dozen legit lettering schemes.

Tim O.





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Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
 

I agree about the wire grabs over plastic IF the model is to have individual grabs.

On Nov 30, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Jim Betz wrote:

And as long as we're talking about WIBNIs (wouldn't it be nice if) ...

I'd -much- rather have metal grabs and drop steps and have the model
have small indents for locating the drilling I will do myself. I'm
sick and tired of 'scale' plastic parts that don't fit the holes and
break when you try to install them!



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Re: 40' plug door ice reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

rich, that's true, but the SFRD reefers were rebuilds of 1920's
reefers and could not be mistaken for a postwar steel reefer
under any circumstances.

if you want to know how many paint schemes can be applied
to 40ft steel plug door reefers, just look at the Intermountain
R-40-23! Most of the private owner schemes they applied to
that car should have been applied to a plug door car!

tim o

C&BT shops did a 40' SFRD reefer with a 6' plug door in 4 versions. Walthers
still catalogues these but the availability is questionable at this point.


Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars

Shawn Beckert
 

While we're on the subject of tank cars, has there been any
progress on the tank cars that SC&F hopes to bring out in
the (hopefully) near future? John Cagle showed me the brass
etchings for one of the cars at Naperville; has a mold been
produced for this car?

Perhaps that SC&F field rep, Mr. Brock, can fill us in...

Shawn Beckert


Re: AC&F Type 11 (was Cities Service tank car question)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 29, 2005, at 8:09 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:

Thanks for the reference to the PRR cars Elden. That is helpful. As I
scrutinized the photos in Ed Kaminski's Tank Cars AC&F Co, 1865-1955, I
thought I could see one distinguishing feature between the Type 7
drawing
and the Type 11 cars: the earlier cars appear to have a more
complicated
casting for a jacking pad built integrally into the side sill bolster
joint,
while the later cars appear to have this part built like those found
on the
type 21 cars. I always feel like I'm taking a shot in the dark when I
offer
such observations for critique. But frankly, its the only real
difference I
was able to pick out.
I would agree. But not all differences between types were visually
apparent; there were also specification changes having to do with
materials and manufacturing processes which photos don't show.

I also noted that between the Type 7 (and 11) cars and the Type 21
cars, the
end sills went from a fishbelly profile to the type 21 straight end
sill.
And the hole through which the tank bands at the bolsters/saddles
emerge
from the underside of the tank are a rounded triangular shape, rather
than a
rounded slot shape on the Type 7 and 11 cars. And, of course, the side
sills on the 21's had the C section channel with the flanges facing out
rather than in - as it appears they do on the Type 7 and 11 cars.

Spotting features? I hope so.
All true. Equally important – though, again, not readily apparent
except from the stenciling – was the fact that the tanks on cars built
after 1917 conformed to ARA Specs. III or IV, rather than to the
earlier Spec. II.

Richard Hendrickson


Stations & Reweigh Symbols, Rev. #3

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Just a note to let you know that I have uploaded a revised file of Stations & Reweigh Symbols to the files section of the list.

The revision corrects a DT&I symbol, thanks to Mark Heiden.

It also adds some symbols for FGEX and B&O based upon the information in RPC Vol 12.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD


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40 ft plug door reefers (was:Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola)

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

I had forgotten about those Rich. I have been looking for them during
my travels, but hadn't seen anything from C&BT for some time. Wasn't
the owner quite ill? I remember he had produced test shot of PRR
X29b's (and d's), a car I have wanted for some time, but the final
product never materialized.

regards,

Andy Miller

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SUVCWORR@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:12 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Andy:

C&BT shops did a 40' SFRD reefer with a 6' plug door in 4 versions.
Walthers still catalogues these but the availability is questionable at
this point.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@mitre.org>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:39:09 -0500
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola


It's not often I agree with Tim, although his modeling work is
gorgeous. But I second his suggestion this time. Other than the
ancient technology Trains Miniature (now Walthers Trainline and not
currently available) car, no one that I can recall has ever done a 40'
plug door ice reefer. And I carved up quite a few of my stash of those
to make stand-in REA 50' express reefers in 1987. (Ref my article in
1987 MR). They were they pride and joy of my M&E trains until last
year when the real McCoys started to appear from Walthers and
Branchline.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
timboconnor@comcast.net
. . .

If that seems too similar to the Athearn reefer (and Walthers already
announced an FGE reefer), then a plug door 40 foot steel ice reefer
would be a good item... And you could get away with a heck of a lot of
paint schemes on those. Just do the same PC&F car Sunshine did; I
think Martin found a half dozen legit lettering schemes.

Tim O.





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Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

SUVCWORR@...
 

Andy:

C&BT shops did a 40' SFRD reefer with a 6' plug door in 4 versions. Walthers still catalogues these but the availability is questionable at this point.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@mitre.org>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:39:09 -0500
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola


It's not often I agree with Tim, although his modeling work is
gorgeous. But I second his suggestion this time. Other than the
ancient technology Trains Miniature (now Walthers Trainline and not
currently available) car, no one that I can recall has ever done a 40'
plug door ice reefer. And I carved up quite a few of my stash of those
to make stand-in REA 50' express reefers in 1987. (Ref my article in
1987 MR). They were they pride and joy of my M&E trains until last
year when the real McCoys started to appear from Walthers and
Branchline.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
timboconnor@comcast.net
. . .

If that seems too similar to the Athearn reefer (and Walthers already
announced an FGE reefer), then a plug door 40 foot steel ice reefer
would be a good item... And you could get away with a heck of a lot of
paint schemes on those. Just do the same PC&F car Sunshine did; I
think Martin found a half dozen legit lettering schemes.

Tim O.





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Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Jim Betz
 

And as long as we're talking about WIBNIs (wouldn't it be nice if) ...

I'd -much- rather have metal grabs and drop steps and have the model
have small indents for locating the drilling I will do myself. I'm
sick and tired of 'scale' plastic parts that don't fit the holes and
break when you try to install them!


Re: Forreston interchange

John Swanson <dwlscbq@...>
 

First and foremost, a sincere thank you to Tim for his work and analysis on the interchange lists. Thanks to efforts such as this the lists become even more useful. (Besides I tend to be a bit of a data junky and collector. Now if I could just remember it all----))
I have to jump in to defend all of Ted Richardson's efforts as he is as meticulous as any person I have ever known. Ted went so far as to study some recurring conductors to establish how they wrote certain letters so he could transfer the data more accurately.
When I found the books they were written by the conductors, not the agent and were originally left in the shanty by the IC.
Any "errors" are in trying to read the conductors writing (very few) and many are a direct transfer of the initials written by the conductor making out the list.

The Forreston interchange was mainly used as a delivery point for westbound traffic and High-Wide loads as the Gruber was used as a high-wide route around Chicago.
After a halfcentury, I find it just interesting to read of the commodities carried and the cars of roads so long gone.

John Swanson


Re: Pounding sheet lead (was Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola)

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

McMaster-Carr carries a wide variety of lead sheet from .032" up to 2" and
various lengths and widths.

http://www.mcmaster.com/

In the search box, try "lead sheet"
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: Richard White <rhwhite@botsnet.bw>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:26:31 +0200
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pounding sheet lead (was Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40'
AAR Gondola)

Tim O'Connor wrote:
What? You didn't get any of Terry Wegmann's cast metal GS doors? ;-)

Instead of pounding the lead, how would rolling a steel ball or
pipe over it work? Rolling seems more precise than pounding...

I have tried this and it doesn't work as you need a hell of a lot of
pressure on the lead sheet to roll it out. Judicious hammering works well -
it's actually the technique that used to be used for making gold leaf.

As kids, we used to take pieces of lead (and coins) and put them on the rail
before a train went by. Made marvellous thin foil which had lots of
modelling uses (but is too thin to use as a weight!). Then we discovered the
foil round wine bottle necks and old toothpaste tubes as sources of lead
foil.

Richard White






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Re: Pounding sheet lead (was Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola)

Richard White
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
What? You didn't get any of Terry Wegmann's cast metal GS doors? ;-)

Instead of pounding the lead, how would rolling a steel ball or
pipe over it work? Rolling seems more precise than pounding...

I have tried this and it doesn't work as you need a hell of a lot of
pressure on the lead sheet to roll it out. Judicious hammering works well -
it's actually the technique that used to be used for making gold leaf.

As kids, we used to take pieces of lead (and coins) and put them on the rail
before a train went by. Made marvellous thin foil which had lots of
modelling uses (but is too thin to use as a weight!). Then we discovered the
foil round wine bottle necks and old toothpaste tubes as sources of lead
foil.

Richard White






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Re: North Coast Hobbies was Sand blasting booth

Larry Kline
 

The current contact info for John Polyak (North Coast Hobbies) is:
jrpolyak@juno.com
412-498-8477

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Jack Burgess asked:
Is North Coast Hobbies still in business? Does anyone have contact
information for them.


Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Well, to be honest, they don't "come with decals". Accurail has made
decals specifically for our cars and includes the slip to order them in
the box. I believe they cost $3 (+/-).

But they do do the best and easiest job of renumbering I have ever
seen. It sure beats our technique on previous club cars where the last
few digit were left off the car and we included ordinary decal digits
to be added. I'll bet most of the cars we sold never have those decals
added, and those that did had a decidedly two-tone number, and we never
had end numbers on the cars! The Accurail system beats all of these
problems since the cars come with a complete number (choice of two
numbers) and the decals have a background in the paint to match the car
and just overlay the car number and include the end numbers.

Accurail deserves a Nobel Prize in Model Railroading for this idea!

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:35 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Nice plug for our cars, Andy! What Andy didn't mention is that they
come with renumbering decals
done Accurail style, which means on a color background which EXACTLY
matches the cars. So well, in
fact, that Andy tried to renumber a car he'd already renumbered! ;^)

SGL

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Behalf Of Miller, Andrew S.
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:53 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Have any of you seen Accurail's latest offering, the 70 ton
offset side triple hopper? They cast the stirrups and
framing in one piece in acetyl plastic. The result is a very
delicate looking stirrup, finer than anything I could do with
bent wire. And its unbreakable!

We were so impressed that the North Shore Club has used that
car for its latest club car. See www.nsmrc.org


regards,

Andy Miller


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Re: Fallen Flags new images

Larry Kline
 

Phil,

Thanks for the pointer to these images. There is some great info on
color and weathering including roof and underbody shots. Some of the
cars shown are on my to do list.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Phil Clark wrote:
Interesting images on http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/new27-03dec.html

Six images of an NYC Wreck at Amherst OH in 1950s from the Robert
Colvig Photo collection.

Thirteen images of an NYC Wreck at Elyria OH in 1950s from the Robert
Colvig Photo collection.


Re: Accurail's Forthcoming 40' AAR Gondola

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

It's not often I agree with Tim, although his modeling work is
gorgeous. But I second his suggestion this time. Other than the
ancient technology Trains Miniature (now Walthers Trainline and not
currently available) car, no one that I can recall has ever done a 40'
plug door ice reefer. And I carved up quite a few of my stash of those
to make stand-in REA 50' express reefers in 1987. (Ref my article in
1987 MR). They were they pride and joy of my M&E trains until last
year when the real McCoys started to appear from Walthers and
Branchline.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
timboconnor@comcast.net
. . .

If that seems too similar to the Athearn reefer (and Walthers already
announced an FGE reefer), then a plug door 40 foot steel ice reefer
would be a good item... And you could get away with a heck of a lot of
paint schemes on those. Just do the same PC&F car Sunshine did; I
think Martin found a half dozen legit lettering schemes.

Tim O.


Fallen Flags new images

Phil Clark
 

Interesting images on http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/new27-03dec.html

Six images of an NYC Wreck at Amherst OH in 1950s from the Robert
Colvig Photo collection.

Thirteen images of an NYC Wreck at Elyria OH in 1950s from the Robert
Colvig Photo collection.


Phil Clark, ALTON GU34 2RS, UK
cell: +44(0)-7792-744-327
ACL & SAL HS since 1998
NMRA #55716 BR#10/119


Re: Chooch Heavy Cable Spools (HOW heavy are they?)

al_brown03
 

Not if that's a 50 ton flat they're pictured on ... :-)

(snap reaction after only a half-cup of coffee)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

I was considering these as a load for a 40' gon with wood floor
(Sunshine Pere Marquette):

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/7246_heavy_cable_spools.html

I think they would look better in a gon than on a flat because of
the "simulated" open space along the bottom (I hate to sand that
stuff too much.) As far as length, I can fit two spools in the car
if I remove 4" from the end of the blocking of one, and put that end
in the center up against the other one, as if the two spools are
sharing the center section. Maybe I'm not explaining that well, but
my main question is, Would two spools be too heavy for a 50 ton car?

Scott Pitzer

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