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Re: CGW ARA boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Did the CGW ARA boxcars have vertical hand brake or a horizontal hand brake?
I can't tell from the photo in the April 1987 issue of Model Railroading.
Geared hand brakes. In the only two photos I have where the brake wheel is visible, one appears to be an early Equipco and the other an Ajax.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Van Dorn ends

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting.
If you do the B-50-4 version, Al, I'll buy one.

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Re: HO retainer valves

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 6:49 PM, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Denny,
Your local hobby shop also needs the $20.00 PSC minimum and most need
just that one more customer so they too can get their order placed for you and
all the other guys waiting.
Chuck Hladik
Though doubtless well meant, that's a counsel of perfection if I ever saw one. Your advice is fine if your local hobby shop happens to be Des Plaines, Caboose Hobbies, or The Whistle Stop. However, most local hobby shops don't even know how to order from PSC and many can't be bothered to find out; they'd rather just let the distributors stock their stores with train set junk. Many of us on this list have learned that it's often easier and quicker to order direct from suppliers like PSC. Bear in mind, also, that when you do so, PSC doesn't have to sell at a discount, so that helps to keep them in business.

Personal disclaimer: I do a lot of business with a friend of mine who runs a first-rate retail model railroad shop. However, that also requires phone or e-mail orders, as he's located in Ohio and I'm in Southern Oregon. The local hobby shop (14 miles away) isn't bad, as most hobby shops go, but stocks only the most basic things I need, so it isn't worth my time to go there and back (not to mention burning a gallon or so of $3+ gasoline) just to confirm that they don't have what I want. The alternative is to spend five minutes placing an e-mail order and receive what I order via UPS or USPS in a few days.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PFE R-40-10 in original colours

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Ball said:
This has made me think of another question though; would cars painted before
the introduction of the repack stencil have had it added by this date?
Once introduced, it would have been painted on any reweighed car, AFAIK. Don't think of it as part of a "paint scheme," think of it as a "feature."

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Re: CGW ARA boxcars

Rob Adams
 

Brian;

I don't have the 4/87 issue of MRG, so don't know which series of car you are looking at, but the Summer 1992 issue of Northwestern Lines has several photos of various cars. From what I can determine, the 1931-built 85000-85998, 86000-86998 series (even #'s) and the 11/1933-built 87000-87998 series all had geared power hand brakes with vertically mounted wheel, rather than a vertical staff with horiztontal wheel. The hand brake wheels used seemed to vary, with Ajax and early Universal being common, depending upon the series. I used Ajax hand brake gear on the one 86000-series car I've built from a modified Red Caboose kit.

Best regards, Rob Adams

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Naperville

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We will be at both the Naperville RPM and Howard Zane's Orlando show the following week. If anyone wants us to bring a specific older kit, let me know by the 19th.

We will be launching 1921 NYC stock cars with DS ends and SFRD RR.S/T/U/V reefers with modern lettering at Naperville. These are now on our web site at www.westerfield.biz. - Al Westerfield


Re: Van Dorn ends

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield

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Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends


List,

Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.

Fred Freitas





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Re: reverse Murphy ends

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 5:38 PM, James D Thompson wrote:

The 1919 and 1922 Car Builder's Dictionaries show examples of both ends,
but no cars built after ca. 1918 had the inverse corrugated design.
That's a bit premature. C&O was still using inverse corrugated ends
through the mid-1920s, and there are other occasional examples.
My post, I now realize, was ambiguous. I meant to say that none of the cars shown with inverse corrugated ends in the 1919 and 1922 CBCycs were built after ca. 1918. No argument that some cars were built in the early to mid-1920s with inverse corrugated ends (I'm tempted to say they were ordered that way by backward RR mechanical departments, but I won't) .

Richard Hendrickson


Van Dorn ends

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

List,

Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.

Fred Freitas


Re: PFE R-40-10 in original colours

David Ball
 

Thanks Tony

I wasn't looking for any great precision, just to figure out the reasonable
probability of them showing up, at what levels

"Many" of a fleet the size of the R-40-10's is good enough for me to be
happy with a couple floating around (in an area of a high concentration of
PFE cars)

This has made me think of another question though; would cars painted before
the introduction of the repack stencil have had it added by this date?

Cheers

David Ball
Currently planning his fleet PFE fleet - Brace yourself for more question



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Subject: Re: [STMFC] PFE R-40-10 in original colours


David Ball wrote:
Does anyone know approximately what proportion of the PFE R-40-10
fleet was
still in their original paint in the summer of 1948?
To be certain of this would require going through all 4700 car
cards, not all of which survive; but the cars were just coming due for
what PFE believed was the proper interval for repainting steel cars.
Moreover, the PFE shops were extremely busy in 1946-1952, repairing
war-worn cars, rebuilding, and modernizing much of the fleet. Shop
statistics also show very large numbers of cars repainted in this
period. Thus although I'm sure many R-40-10 cars retained original
paint in the summer of 1948, I'm also sure that many were repainted.
In 1950, a general repair program for all the -10 cars was
begun, adding fans and steel running boards. In that day, cars would
have been repainted after such work, though of course this was after
1948.

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Re: SP Overnight and 4/6/6 doors jpgs - Large image please!

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Should have been off list... sorry.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

On Oct 14, 2005, at 10:01 PM, Ted Culotta wrote:


On Oct 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

I have received some large file (1.2MB) close-ups of
Dan Smith's new doors. Ask for which image you want in
the subject line, and I will send a copy. Looks real
good to me.
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Re: SP Overnight and 4/6/6 doors jpgs - Large image please!

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

I have received some large file (1.2MB) close-ups of
Dan Smith's new doors. Ask for which image you want in
the subject line, and I will send a copy. Looks real
good to me.
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Rutland Fallen flags / Naperville / Keith Sirman

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

When I last had a message from Keith a few months back, he indicated that he would not be coming to Naperville (which I frankly found quite disappointing given his great collection of steam era photographs). I hope that conditions have changed enough to allow his coming, but I wouldn't expect it.

I know Bob will likely be there, I am fairly sure Big Four will be there, likely both Grubers, and possibly others.

This should also be the time that you make a call to Bob (and it wouldn't be remiss to contact others) if you want to see something. For instance, if you are interested in seeing something like GN Diesels or something he normally might not bring. If you call him, he may be able to fit it in now. No use going to see that he and others don't have what you want only to be told "Oh yeah, got a whole binder of those back home, should have called me, would have brought them with me - what? naw, don't do email, don't have time, tool of the devil, hey did you see those two..." Well, those who have been there before can fill in the rest.

At 08:37 PM 10/14/2005, STMFC@... wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:25:20 -0000
From: "englishintroy" <englij@...>
Subject: Re: Rutland Fallen Flags/Lubliner

--- In STMFC@..., "Justin Kahn" <harumd@h...> wrote:
Any leads from the list for other views of Rutland #4000 gondolas?
Bob's Photos has several, and he will likely be at Naperville in a
couple of weeks. Also, IIRC Keith Sirman has some 4000-series gon
photos, and he, too, will likely be at Naperville.
Bob Webber


Re: Canadian Freight Car Service rules

Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Brian,

Assuming that its cars were built in Canada, yes, they would be subject to the same rules. The TH&B was a Canadian railway, even if half owned by a US one.

Gregg Mahlkov

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Subject: [STMFC] Canadian Freight Car Service rules


All the recent discussion on the rules involving Canadian freight cars has
brought a question to my mind. The TH&B was owned 50-50 by the NYC and CP.
Were the TH&B boxcars subject to the same rules as say CP and CN?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
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Canadian Freight Car Service rules

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

All the recent discussion on the rules involving Canadian freight cars has
brought a question to my mind. The TH&B was owned 50-50 by the NYC and CP.
Were the TH&B boxcars subject to the same rules as say CP and CN?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


CGW ARA boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Did the CGW ARA boxcars have vertical hand brake or a horizontal hand brake?
I can't tell from the photo in the April 1987 issue of Model Railroading.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: reverse Murphy ends

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

The 1919 and 1922 Car Builder's Dictionaries show examples of both ends, but no
cars built after ca. 1918 had the inverse corrugated design.
That's a bit premature. C&O was still using inverse corrugated ends through the mid-1920s, and there are other occasional examples.

David Thompson


Re: reverse Murphy ends

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote

The 1919 and 1922 Car Builder's Dictionaries show examples of
both ends, but no cars built after ca. 1918 had the inverse
corrugated design. Whether for new construction or the rebuilding
of older cars, its doubtful that inverse corrugated ends would have
been manufactured or applied as late as 1928.
Richard, according to my notes, MP 120000-121749 36' box cars were
built in 1926 with inverse Murphy ends, and UP 99500-99999 G-50-9
gondolas were built in 1925 with inverse Murphy ends. These are the
only two examples I found of cars built this late with such ends.

Tim O'Connor


Re: reverse Murphy ends

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 14, 2005, at 2:43 PM, PBowers wrote:

I'm trying to determine when CP rebuilt its double sheathed boxcars
with
the Reverse Murphy ends. CP build double sheathed cars up until
1928. Would these likely have been built with the steel ends? Could
someone tell me when the reverse Murphy ends were in fashion and their
history?
Pete, inverse Murphy corrugated ends were largely a pre-World-War-I
design. Murphy ends with the corrugations stamped outward rather than
inward appeared in the mid-teens, were applied to all three USRA box
car designs, and were pretty much universal after ca. 1920. The 1919
and 1922 Car Builder's Dictionaries show examples of both ends, but no
cars built after ca. 1918 had the inverse corrugated design.
Whether for new construction or the rebuilding of older cars, its
doubtful that inverse corrugated ends would have been manufactured or
applied as late as 1928.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: HO retainer valves

Tim O'Connor
 

Detail Associates (and Grandt Line, same tool) AB brake
sets come with a highly detailed retainer valve that is
cast with a hole for .008 wire. I just glue the wire into
the retainer valve, and that becomes the handle for moving
the part into position. The casting has a "pin" so that
you can drill into the carbody and glue the valve into
the hole. Once set it is easy to bend the wire into the
desired configuration. Like Andy I use a very bright light
and Optivisor for all my model work!

Tim O'Connor