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Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Rich,

I gather from your comment about Reboxx being in the town next door,
that you somewhere near my model RR club in Wakefield MA. If you ever
drop by for a visit (we meet on Thursday nights), I would be glad to
show off my resin cars. I have numerous F&C cars but, alas, not the
PRR F28. I do have another F&C flat. I think it's B&O. My most
recent F&C kit was the Seaboard phosphate hopper. Funny since I am a
PRR fan and probably have over 200 PRR freight cars at the club. Check
out our website at www.nsmrc.org

BTW I have been using code 88 metal wheels for a long time now. They
make a big visible difference and the Reboxx and IM wheels roll
exceptionally well. As Bruce said, the difference is most apparent on
cars with open end frames such as tank cars and hoppers. That's where I
began my fleet upgrades.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of
questions...

One last question, then I'll go back to consuming information, which
may have been lost in the first message...

Since I'm a crafty kind of guy ;-) I'd like to replace this, ahem,
cheap resin with wood (nothing simulates wood better than wood). Is the

decking 2x6?


Thanks for the welcome folks
--Rich Beaubien
Bolton MA






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Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

RichBeau <RichBeau@...>
 

One last question, then I'll go back to consuming information, which
may have been lost in the first message...

Since I'm a crafty kind of guy ;-) I'd like to replace this, ahem,
cheap resin with wood (nothing simulates wood better than wood). Is the
decking 2x6?


Thanks for the welcome folks
--Rich Beaubien
Bolton MA


Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

RichBeau <RichBeau@...>
 

One last question, then I'll go back to consuming information, which
may have been lost in the first message...

Since I'm a crafty kind of guy ;-) I'd like to replace this, ahem,
cheap resin with wood (nothing simulates wood better than wood). Is the
decking 2x6?


Thanks for the welcome folks
--Rich Beaubien
Bolton MA


Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

Bruce Smith
 

On Thu, March 16, 2006 9:49 am, RichBeau wrote:
Yes, it is the F&C PRR FM Flat with the cast stake-pockets (kit 6501)
OK, so 2D-F8 trucks for sure

Would you use proto:87 wheels? Reboxx wheel sets look vey good and they
are located in the town next door.
Yes, although I find that it does not make as big an impact on appearance
as with cars like tank cars, unless you look at the car end on.

What about the couplers? Accumate Proto HO? Or those new fangled
Sergent Engineering couplers? Or ye olde Kadee (#58s)?
Dealers choice? You'll find all opinions here. I use the Kadee #58 or
even better the #78 if possible. I hear good things about the Accumates,
but I don't think that they look as good, and the Sergent couplers are
beautiful, but have no remote uncoupling ability (not a big deal except
where my layout will be covered with catenar <G>).

As for comments about weight - while it would be nice to see empties on
the layout, these resin kits REALLY need loads to help out with the weight
issues. Just be careful NOT to concentrate the load in the center of the
span, as the car may slowly bend....

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

armprem
 

Major problem, in my mind ,is the lack of weight of the completed car.No place to hide the weight.That said,I try to use heavier trucks and couplers to add as much weight as possible.Reboxx or JB wheel sets help some.or you may want to use Kaydee trucks.Its' your car.and your choice.I am just finishing two F&C B&O Flats.Pretty much the same kit Your best bet is to Contact Pennsy guru Ben Hom.Hope this helps.Armand Premo

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From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...


On Thu, March 16, 2006 9:23 am, RichBeau wrote:
While at the Springfield
show I purchased, and this is where the craftsman in me has been
headed, a Funaro & Camerlengo flatcar kit. The F&C guys pointed me in
this direction saying it would be a good intro to a resin kit.
WHICH KIT? F&C makes more than one flat car and of course, different cars
have different trucks.

While the instructions specifically
say Kadee Pennsy Class 2df8 50 ton trucks. I have some Accurail
Bettendorf trucks as recommended for general use by Ted in one of his
RMC articles. Are these appropriate? I'm sure I'm asking way too many
questions. And I'm still trying to figure out the wheelsets and
couplers Oh my! I think I've waded in too deep.
It sounds like you might have gotten the PRR FM kit? If so, the 2D-F8
trucks are the appropriate ones. "Betterndorf" trucks would be wrong.
These trucks are available from Red Caboose and Kadee among others. I'm
hoping that the PRR FM (and clones) will come up as a project on the
PRRPro group as a project soon...

Regards
Bruce

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Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

RichBeau <RichBeau@...>
 

Which kit...

Of course I'd leave that out!! :-D

Yes, it is the F&C PRR FM Flat with the cast stake-pockets (kit 6501)

While I'm at it...


Would you use proto:87 wheels? Reboxx wheel sets look vey good and they
are located in the town next door.

What about the couplers? Accumate Proto HO? Or those new fangled
Sergent Engineering couplers? Or ye olde Kadee (#58s)?

--Rich


Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

al_brown03
 

F&C offer several different flatcar kits; the correct details
(including trucks) will vary. Which kit do you have?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "RichBeau" <RichBeau@...> wrote:

By way of a bit of introduction...I'm a 1950s B&M railroad brat.
I'm
a pretty good craftsman when it comes to structures (I scratchbuild
and build things like South River Model Works kits) but when it
comes
to, knowing about, or building rolling stock I'm a bit of a rookie.
Lately I've been on the steep part of the learning curve. I
recently
discovered steamfreightcars.com via Ted Culotta's fine series of
articles in RMC, and that website pointed me in this direction.

I've got a couple of old blue-box Athearn kits (one's marked $3.00
the other an expensive $5.50 ;-D ). I've also got a modest
collection
of Branchline Blueprint series kits, unbuilt still in the boxes -
mostly 40' AAR boxcars and some 40' reefers. While at the
Springfield
show I purchased, and this is where the craftsman in me has been
headed, a Funaro & Camerlengo flatcar kit. The F&C guys pointed me
in
this direction saying it would be a good intro to a resin kit.

I found some very informative threads here on flatcars which have
been very helpful with the big picture but I've got a couple of
questions on the details.

There's no trucks and no couplers with this F&C kit. A long
informative message on this list by Elden Gatwood suggests 70-ton
trucks. The F&C website says this particular flatcar should have
some
Bettendorf style trucks on it. While the instructions specifically
say Kadee Pennsy Class 2df8 50 ton trucks. I have some Accurail
Bettendorf trucks as recommended for general use by Ted in one of
his
RMC articles. Are these appropriate? I'm sure I'm asking way too
many
questions. And I'm still trying to figure out the wheelsets and
couplers Oh my! I think I've waded in too deep.

Oh yeah and I wanted to NOT use the resin deck and construct one
board-by-board out of wood. So I wanted to confirm that the deck
made
out of 2x6s.

TIA
--Rich


Re: A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

Bruce Smith
 

On Thu, March 16, 2006 9:23 am, RichBeau wrote:
While at the Springfield
show I purchased, and this is where the craftsman in me has been
headed, a Funaro & Camerlengo flatcar kit. The F&C guys pointed me in
this direction saying it would be a good intro to a resin kit.
WHICH KIT? F&C makes more than one flat car and of course, different cars
have different trucks.

While the instructions specifically
say Kadee Pennsy Class 2df8 50 ton trucks. I have some Accurail
Bettendorf trucks as recommended for general use by Ted in one of his
RMC articles. Are these appropriate? I'm sure I'm asking way too many
questions. And I'm still trying to figure out the wheelsets and
couplers Oh my! I think I've waded in too deep.
It sounds like you might have gotten the PRR FM kit? If so, the 2D-F8
trucks are the appropriate ones. "Betterndorf" trucks would be wrong.
These trucks are available from Red Caboose and Kadee among others. I'm
hoping that the PRR FM (and clones) will come up as a project on the
PRRPro group as a project soon...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


A very short intro and a heckava lot of questions...

RichBeau <RichBeau@...>
 

By way of a bit of introduction...I'm a 1950s B&M railroad brat. I'm
a pretty good craftsman when it comes to structures (I scratchbuild
and build things like South River Model Works kits) but when it comes
to, knowing about, or building rolling stock I'm a bit of a rookie.
Lately I've been on the steep part of the learning curve. I recently
discovered steamfreightcars.com via Ted Culotta's fine series of
articles in RMC, and that website pointed me in this direction.

I've got a couple of old blue-box Athearn kits (one's marked $3.00
the other an expensive $5.50 ;-D ). I've also got a modest collection
of Branchline Blueprint series kits, unbuilt still in the boxes -
mostly 40' AAR boxcars and some 40' reefers. While at the Springfield
show I purchased, and this is where the craftsman in me has been
headed, a Funaro & Camerlengo flatcar kit. The F&C guys pointed me in
this direction saying it would be a good intro to a resin kit.

I found some very informative threads here on flatcars which have
been very helpful with the big picture but I've got a couple of
questions on the details.

There's no trucks and no couplers with this F&C kit. A long
informative message on this list by Elden Gatwood suggests 70-ton
trucks. The F&C website says this particular flatcar should have some
Bettendorf style trucks on it. While the instructions specifically
say Kadee Pennsy Class 2df8 50 ton trucks. I have some Accurail
Bettendorf trucks as recommended for general use by Ted in one of his
RMC articles. Are these appropriate? I'm sure I'm asking way too many
questions. And I'm still trying to figure out the wheelsets and
couplers Oh my! I think I've waded in too deep.

Oh yeah and I wanted to NOT use the resin deck and construct one
board-by-board out of wood. So I wanted to confirm that the deck made
out of 2x6s.

TIA
--Rich


Re: Athearn 65'6" Mill Gon article in Feb RMJ

leakinmywaders
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:
.... Unless I'm mistaking the lettering
style for the Southern and CB&Q [ the lettering appears to be post
1960 ],
it looks like the only accurate cars for our time period are those
of the
ATSF.
Mike: It's been noted on the MFCL (a.k.a. Post-Steam-Era FreightCars
List) that the angle of the side sills on the Athearn model isn't
quite structurally correct for the CB&Q prototype. It's noticeable if
you take a close look. This aside does not take away from your point
that Athearn's first run bypassed accurate early paint schemes.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: conrete freight cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Eric Petersson asked:
"Someone on another list mentioned about conrete freight cars. I
think the name was Chicago Concrete Car Co. Anybody have information
regarding them?"

Howard Garner replied:
"Only about 3 or 4 gondolas built. These were covered in Scientific
American at the time. Tested on the IC. This was the early 20's if
I remember correctly. If interested I'll try to find my copies of
the articles."

Howard, I'd like to see them at your convenience, please. Two more
data points:

- None other than Joseph Strauss, Chief Engineer of the Golden Gate
Bridge, was behind these cars. This rated a mention in his obituary.
<http://www.fulco.lib.in.us/genealogy/Tombaugh/Obituaries/Html/1938.h
tm>
Scroll down to May 17, 1938.

- Another search turned up a reference in the Great Northern
Manuscript collection at the Minnesota Historical Society:
"Strauss, J. B.: reinforced concrete freight car, 1920."
<http://www.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00480.html>


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn 65'6" Mill Gon article in Feb RMJ

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

The Feb 2006 issue of RMJ has a nice article on the AAR 65' 6" mill gon by
Richard Hendrickson. From the article, it appears that cars owned by ATSF,
SP, CG, ITC, L&N, T&NO [SP], Wabash, RI, D&RGW/Alaska RR, WM, Sou, CGW,
C&NW, GM&O, IC, NC&STL, SAL, SL-SF, WP, C&O, CN, CP would be accurate for
the time period covered by the STMFC. Unless I'm mistaking the lettering
style for the Southern and CB&Q [ the lettering appears to be post 1960 ],
it looks like the only accurate cars for our time period are those of the
ATSF. If this is true, it is amazing to me. OTOH, maybe I expect too much.

Mike:

I am finishing the artwork for decals as we speak for SAL, L&N (1948 cars), NC&StL and Wabash. These were all built in the 1940s.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


new photos

Ron Morse <ronstrainshop@...>
 

New batch of steam era freight car photos have been added to my ebay
store with more to come in the next day or so.
"Ron's Train Shop".
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O O scale in Springfield,MO


Re: Athearn 65'6" Mill Gon article in Feb RMJ

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:10 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

The Feb 2006 issue of RMJ has a nice article on the AAR 65' 6" mill gon by
Richard Hendrickson. From the article, it appears that cars owned by ATSF,
SP, CG, ITC, L&N, T&NO [SP], Wabash, RI, D&RGW/Alaska RR, WM, Sou, CGW,
C&NW, GM&O, IC, NC&STL, SAL, SL-SF, WP, C&O, CN, CP would be accurate for
the time period covered by the STMFC. Unless I'm mistaking the lettering
style for the Southern and CB&Q [ the lettering appears to be post 1960 ],
it looks like the only accurate cars for our time period are those of the
ATSF. If this is true, it is amazing to me. OTOH, maybe I expect too much.
True. The Reading and NKP models are bogus, the E-L cars were built in the '60s, and the Southern and Q models have '60s paint and lettering. However, you can be sure that Athearn will produce additional versions from now until the cows come home, and at least some of them will be correct for the '40s and '50s. Meanwhile, some of the cars you've listed above could be modeled with decal or dry transfer lettering.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Digest Number 3032

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Paul,

You might want to check out New York Harbor Railroads in Color, Vol 1 &
2, Thomas R. Flagg, Morning Sun Books. These have very interesting
reading and some great period photos.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Paul S Martineau wrote:

Speaking of carfloats, does anyone on this list know the history of
carfloats on NY harbor, starting with the Starin Lines?
  Paul Martineau

Message: 10       
   Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:57:38 -0500
   From: "Gregg Mahlkov" <mahlkov@gtcom.net>
Subject: Re: Location, Location, Location

Tim,

Are you referring to Manhattan Island (The Borough of Manhattan), or
all of
New York City in your "desert" comment?

While Manhattan might have been, The Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn
weren't.
There were four fascinating carfloat connected freight railroads in
Brooklyn
alone, Jay St. Connecting, BEDT, Bush Terminal, and NY Dock.

Gregg Mahlkov
Florida's Forgotten Coast








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Re: Kansas City

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Jeff and Jace,

Yes, there are salt mines underneath Hutchison, Kansas. But I do not
remember any in KC, Kansas or Missouri.

The KCKV Ry is something that I do remember... but only as a freight
hauler. By the time I was old enough (born 1946) to note such comings
and goings the line was freight only. But what a trip is might have
provided to Camp Nash, the Boy Scout Camp on the way to Bonner Springs,
KS. By the time I went to this wllderness (my dad was a very active
Scout Master) we went by family car.

One more close connection... litterly... is that the KCKV Ry connected
with the Kansas & Missouri Railway and Terminal Company. This pike was
also operated under wire with steeple cabs. And it ran though our
neighborhood less than two blocks away. And even more important is the
fact that Ira E. Gillett, the Treasurer for the line lived just two
houses east of ours. This railroad was a part of the KCS empire and,
like the Kaw Valley, did not have any interchange rolling stock that I
am aware of. They switched some warehouses, a compressed gas plant, and
a sand, gravel, and coal company (the outfit from where our family
obtained the coal to burn in our coal burning furnace in the little
house that we lived in) in our immediate neighborhood. There are more
stories, but alas, these are more OT that allowed.

Thanks for the memories.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:


I have never lived in the area, but one of the more fascinating
byways in
railroad prototype for me is the Kansas City, Kaw Valley and Western,
which
lasted under overhead wire until at least 1960 with a nice collection
of
steeplecab locomotives aggregated from a number of previous owners. 
I have
yet to find a definitive reference work on the line, but from the
bits and
pieces I've read over the years, their apparent raison d'etre was
cement
traffic (a function of the limestone deposits?).
And to placate our moderator, so far as I can tell, the KCKV&W never
owned
any interchange cars, although they seem to have had some restricted
to
on-line use, all second-hand.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


> > Rock salt in the Kansas City area...???
> >
> > I grew up around those parts and remember the limestone
operations but
> > do not remember anything about rock salt. Please educate this old
man.
>
> >-- End of excerpt from William Keene
>
>Bill,
>
>      There are salt mines underneath Hutchinson, KS.  To us
Jayhawkers,
>Hutch isn't "in the Kansas City area", but to someone back east,
that may
>be good enough.

>Jeff Aley

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Photoetching

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

Has anyone here used the Micromark photoetch set? I'm thinking of
making some hinges and door latches by the etching system. Would this
method be suitable for forming the entire outer edge of a part
perhaps .005" thick? How about .010" thick? Any advise from a user
would be appreciated before I make the investment.
Thanks
Chuck Peck


Re: Freight through Penn Station

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On behalf Of timboconnor@comcast.net

the NH bridge at Poughkeepsie (although they
mistakenly said it burned down).
Tim, you do know that it was put out of commission by a fire, right? The last train over was an
EL-powered freight, The ties caught fire, and deformed some of the steel.

SGL


Athearn 65'6" Mill Gon article in Feb RMJ

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

The Feb 2006 issue of RMJ has a nice article on the AAR 65' 6" mill gon by Richard Hendrickson. From the article, it appears that cars owned by ATSF, SP, CG, ITC, L&N, T&NO [SP], Wabash, RI, D&RGW/Alaska RR, WM, Sou, CGW, C&NW, GM&O, IC, NC&STL, SAL, SL-SF, WP, C&O, CN, CP would be accurate for the time period covered by the STMFC. Unless I'm mistaking the lettering style for the Southern and CB&Q [ the lettering appears to be post 1960 ], it looks like the only accurate cars for our time period are those of the ATSF. If this is true, it is amazing to me. OTOH, maybe I expect too much.

Mike Brock


ADMIN: Out of scope...NYC, Geography lessons

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

OK, guys...we're getting out of scope with this New York City stuff. Discussions about frt car traffic into NYC during the steam era is permissable, discussions about RR traffic in general, post steam era anything, Amtrak, bridges, possible routes etc. is not. Furthermore, once again the geography lessons about where the Midwest is located or what upper New York is or where it is or even why it is or where Dogpatch is is out of scope...unless you refer to frt cars. IOW, tie whatever subject you wish to discuss to frt cars or don't bring it to the STMFC at all.

Violations of this decree will grant you time in moderate jail. For those that might not understand what "moderate" jail means, it is that messages sent to the STMFC must be approved by STMFC management [ myself or Jeff Aley ] before they will be sent to the group. This ensures that a member tending to generate out of scope messages is inhibited from continuing to do so. At the same time, some perfectly ligitimate messages might be overlooked and not approved. It's best to not be put in moderate jail.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner and jailer

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