Not if that's a 50 ton flat they're pictured on ... :-)

(snap reaction after only a half-cup of coffee)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:

I was considering these as a load for a 40' gon with wood floor

(Sunshine Pere Marquette):

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/7246_heavy_cable_spools.html

I think they would look better in a gon than on a flat because of

the "simulated" open space along the bottom (I hate to sand that
stuff too much.) As far as length, I can fit two spools in the car
if I remove 4" from the end of the blocking of one, and put that end
in the center up against the other one, as if the two spools are
sharing the center section. Maybe I'm not explaining that well, but
my main question is, Would two spools be too heavy for a 50 ton car?

Scott Pitzer

Thanks Adrian & Schuyler. The map is quite well detailed when it comes to railroads (for a road map). An unbelievable number of railroads running through, around and into town. To actually see roundhouses and such on a street map is rather interesting. And while others are labeled, those aren't.

I've always had a thing for plans and maps, and it helps in modeling in terms of knowing where loads go and empties come from. The station maps and engineering maps we have for the Rio Grande are quite interesting in those terms and you can see the loaders and such - and when it comes to the large yards (North Yard & Burnham in Denver for example), you can get a much better feel for what you then see in photos of the same locale - and make a better guestimate as to the car's reason for being where it is (local tracks, RIP, through tracks, etc.). Some even help explain those odd sightings like the N&W hopper going over Sherman. N&W Hoppers over Sherman? No Never! Cheyenne Mike, 2001.




At 11:44 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote:

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:

Bob, thanks for sharing this. The slightly ornate style of
the lettering suggests 1920s or 30s but the map could have
been published sometime afterwards if was a revised version
of an older map

I believe that map is hand-drawn, and hand-lettered. The lettering is not 100% consistent. I'd
agree with Aidrian that it's early 20th Century, maybe a bit earlier than his bracket.

Thanks, Bob, for scanning it.

SGL

Bob Webber

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:

Bob, thanks for sharing this. The slightly ornate style of
the lettering suggests 1920s or 30s but the map could have
been published sometime afterwards if was a revised version
of an older map

I believe that map is hand-drawn, and hand-lettered. The lettering is not 100% consistent. I'd
agree with Aidrian that it's early 20th Century, maybe a bit earlier than his bracket.

Thanks, Bob, for scanning it.

SGL

Bob, thanks for sharing this. The slightly ornate style of the lettering
suggests 1920s or 30s but the map could have been published sometime
afterwards if was a revised version of an older map



Aidrian


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Tim O'Connor wrote:

What? You didn't get any of Terry Wegmann's cast metal GS doors? ;-)

Yes, I did. They're white metal, rather less dense than lead and far less effective.

Instead of pounding the lead, how would rolling a steel ball or
pipe over it work? Rolling seems more precise than pounding...

And tell me again how much force you can apply leaning on that pipe, versus a hammer? Better try it both ways before offering "improvements" <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

I was considering these as a load for a 40' gon with wood floor (Sunshine Pere Marquette):

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/7246_heavy_cable_spools.html

I think they would look better in a gon than on a flat because of the "simulated" open space along the bottom (I hate to sand that stuff too much.) As far as length, I can fit two spools in the car if I remove 4" from the end of the blocking of one, and put that end in the center up against the other one, as if the two spools are sharing the center section. Maybe I'm not explaining that well, but my main question is, Would two spools be too heavy for a 50 ton car?

Scott Pitzer

Thanks for the reference to the PRR cars Elden. That is helpful. As I scrutinized the photos in Ed Kaminski's Tank Cars AC&F Co, 1865-1955, I thought I could see one distinguishing feature between the Type 7 drawing and the Type 11 cars: the earlier cars appear to have a more complicated casting for a jacking pad built integrally into the side sill bolster joint, while the later cars appear to have this part built like those found on the type 21 cars. I always feel like I'm taking a shot in the dark when I offer such observations for critique. But frankly, its the only real difference I was able to pick out.

I also noted that between the Type 7 (and 11) cars and the Type 21 cars, the end sills went from a fishbelly profile to the type 21 straight end sill. And the hole through which the tank bands at the bolsters/saddles emerge from the underside of the tank are a rounded triangular shape, rather than a rounded slot shape on the Type 7 and 11 cars. And, of course, the side sills on the 21's had the C section channel with the flanges facing out rather than in - as it appears they do on the Type 7 and 11 cars.

Spotting features? I hope so.

Rob Kirkham

Roger Parry asked:
"Who is McMaster/Carr?"

http://www.mcmaster.com/

Enter "lead" in the "Find products" block to see what they have to
offer.


Ben Hom

Bob Webber...apparently considering a career in comedy, notes:

AFAIK the one discussed is the Yahoo groups web site:

Or, perhaps it's his alter ego:
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

I don't think so...although I'll admit that Baghdad Bob is about as elusive as my website...or 4025.<g>.

Mike Brock

More like ten or twelve, outpacing your production lately.

SGL

Jason Sanford writes:

I was going through the archives and noticed talk about Mike Brock's
website. Anyone have the address. Yahoo or google won't find it.
Thanks.

There's a good reason why Google can't find it...somewhat like the elusive #4025 Big Boy. Neither exist. There IS, however, a website for Prototype Rails...

http://home.brevard.net/~brockm/prototyperails2004/

Don't worry about the "2004", I can't change the address. And, I should thank you for mentioning the non existent Mike Brock website because I need to update the Prototype Rails [ Cocoa Beach ] site to address a few small changes.

BTW, if you or anyone has questions about the meet, don't hesitate to ask.

Mike Brock

Who is McMaster/Carr ???

I agree with the addition of the brake piping. All that "stuff" looks good under there and is better than the somewhat barren underframes of the otherwise grand Accurail SS and DS box cars. I also applaud the decals to renumber the cars. A prototypical step towards a fleet rather than the normal "one of" seen on some model railroads

Schuyler don't sweat it. When you get around to building your one kit
a year, I'll assemble your Accurail gondola for you, including the wire
brake rods.

Tim, as Bill Darnaby described, the lead is quite malleable and
is easily deformed to the size and shape you want. I conducted an
entertaining proof of same in making lead blocks to fit into all the
gaps in the underframe (center sill, etc.) in the DA kit for the GS
gondola. I could still only get about an ounce into the car that way,
so had to resort to lead sheet beneath the drop doors over the trucks.

Tony Thompson

What? You didn't get any of Terry Wegmann's cast metal GS doors? ;-)

Instead of pounding the lead, how would rolling a steel ball or
pipe over it work? Rolling seems more precise than pounding...

Tim

Dennis Storzek wrote

Underbody: one-piece brake piping assembly (similar to Branchline)

Still being debated.

Tim O'Connor:

Let me vote for NO BRAKE RODS. I hate that plastic junk! If
you want to have cast pipes from AB valve to reservoir, etc I
can take it or leave it...
I really like the Accurail box car underframes -- clean --
which makes them very easy to detail with 3rd party parts. I
hope the gondola underframe will be like that too.

Dennis, please put the brake piping assembly in the kit. If Timbo doesn't like them, he can throw
them away.

SGL

Nice plug for our cars, Andy! What Andy didn't mention is that they come with renumbering decals
done Accurail style, which means on a color background which EXACTLY matches the cars. So well, in
fact, that Andy tried to renumber a car he'd already renumbered! ;^)

SGL

Shawn Beckert wrote, in part:

I have a
great deal of resin in the closet, all unbuilt. And I've been
beating the drums for a one-piece X-3 underframe simply
because I *am* very uneasy about trying to assemble all those
bits and pieces in the Sunshine kit. Too bad, because I'd buy
a lot more X-3's (and X-5's) if it weren't for that one
stumbling block :-(

Shawn:

Here is your assignment:

By Sunday night, take out one of those kits and assemble the underframe. No excuses. Like Nike
says: Just DO IT!

SGL

Tim O. said:

I put a thicker floor in a Sunshine 52' gondola and it's actually too
heavy by half. It was the thinnest lead I could find at the time.

Tim, as Bill Darnaby described, the lead is quite malleable and is easily deformed to the size and shape you want. I conducted an entertaining proof of same in making lead blocks to fit into all the gaps in the underframe (center sill, etc.) in the DA kit for the GS gondola. I could still only get about an ounce into the car that way, so had to resort to lead sheet beneath the drop doors over the trucks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

I agree to that one. I don't even like them on the much vaulted
Kadee cars. It has been one of my biggest gripes about RTRs only
with no kits available - the necessity of removing that crap from an
otherwise finished model.

Jerry Glow


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@c... wrote:

Dennis Storzek wrote

Underbody: one-piece brake piping assembly (similar to

Branchline)

Still being debated.

Let me vote for NO BRAKE RODS. I hate that plastic junk! If you

want to

have cast pipes from AB valve to reservoir, etc I can take it or

leave it...

I really like the Accurail box car underframes -- clean -- which

makes them

very easy to detail with 3rd party parts. I hope the gondola

underframe

will be like that too.

Tim O'Connor