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Ann Arbor MOW paint

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Will an Ann Arbor expert please contact me off list about the "pink"
paint used by the Annie on MOW equipment?

Gene Green
bierglaeser at yahoo dot com.
Thanks!


Re: TAN: labeling freight car photos

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I use a mailing label program to print a simple label, which I can fill in the details prior to peeling it from the sheet and putting it on the back of the photo.

Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Smith
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] TAN: labeling freight car photos


Morning Folks,

I am looking for some advice on the best method of archival labeling of
photographic prints of freight cars. I am worried that writing on the back
with a ballpoint pen might eventually lead to damage of the image.
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TAN: labeling freight car photos

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

Morning Folks,

I am looking for some advice on the best method of archival labeling of
photographic prints of freight cars. I am worried that writing on the back
with a ballpoint pen might eventually lead to damage of the image.

BTW, I recently ordered two 8x10 prints of a PRR F22 gun flat from the
Florida Photographic Collection
(http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/). I have to say
that given today's costs, the $10 a print and $2 for shipping seemed quite
reasonable, and the prints were made and shipped to me within 2 weeks.
The folks I dealt with were extremely helpful and I highly reccomend using
this resource if they have images that you are interested in.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Canadian Pacific gondolas CP353100-353499

al_brown03
 

True, the picture's real dark, but one can see it's a low-side car
with straight underframe and side sills. The brake gear shows nicely
as does the lettering. The hand brake has a handle not a wheel. The
trucks are "Bettendorfs" (hard to see which kind), and I *think* the
sides have eleven panels (end two longer than those in between). The
caption gives dimensions, states there are drop ends and a wood floor.
All in all better than nothing.

Is there such a thing as a CPR planbook? That would show the side-
panel arrangement and probably state the type of trucks.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:


Too bad it's not really a good photo! :-(



At 11:38 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote:
Hi Doug --

There's a photo of car 353312 in Train Shed Cyclopedia #70, p 223.

-- best --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: TAN: labeling freight car photos

artrich999@...
 

Bruce, and others;
I was told by the archivist at the MS Department of Archives and History
to label the back of prints with a #2 pencil. He said that was permanent and
had less chance of damaging the photo than any other type of labeling.

---
Art Richardson
Clinton, MS


Re: Weevil-control lining in boxcars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote:
The subject goes beyond the scope of this list, but there were such things
in the fifties as well it was just a different type of packet that hung in the
cars.
I don't think that's the whole story. SP was installing fiberglass to fill the gaps in Dreadnaught car ends and sheathing it with wood for "insect control" in the 1950s. I don't know if that would work specifically for weevils <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Canadian Pacific gondolas CP353100-353499

Tim O'Connor
 

Too bad it's not really a good photo! :-(

At 11:38 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote:
Hi Doug --

There's a photo of car 353312 in Train Shed Cyclopedia #70, p 223.

-- best --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Canadian Pacific gondolas CP353100-353499

al_brown03
 

Hi Doug --

There's a photo of car 353312 in Train Shed Cyclopedia #70, p 223.

-- best --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Doug Rhodes" <farronhill@p...> wrote:
Hello

I'm hoping someone may be able to point me to photos or drawings of
Canadian
Pacific gondolas CP353100-353499, 48' 6" interior length, mill type
with
drop ends, built 1937-40. Though much less numerous than the 52' 6"
gons
that mostly came to CP after WW 2, this earlier series still made up
over
11% of CP's mill gondola fleet in 1956.

I've made a fairly lengthy search of the web and a number of paper
publications to no avail - can anyone suggest a source?

Thanks
Doug Rhodes
Victoria, BC


Canadian Pacific gondolas CP353100-353499

Doug Rhodes
 

Hello

I'm hoping someone may be able to point me to photos or drawings of Canadian Pacific gondolas CP353100-353499, 48' 6" interior length, mill type with drop ends, built 1937-40. Though much less numerous than the 52' 6" gons that mostly came to CP after WW 2, this earlier series still made up over 11% of CP's mill gondola fleet in 1956.

I've made a fairly lengthy search of the web and a number of paper publications to no avail - can anyone suggest a source?

Thanks
Doug Rhodes
Victoria, BC


Weevil-control lining in boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

In my research on C&NW PS-1 boxcars in the series 656-1655, I came
across a note in 1966 and later ORERs that these cars had special
weevil control liners. These cars were built in 1954; did such
linings exist at that time? Would these linings restrict a car to
flour service, or would this be useful for any type of grain or food
product?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: C&NW PS-1 656-1655

Mark Heiden
 

Hi Ed,

Thanks very much! If Sam isn't on this list, pass my thanks along
to him too!

Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
Mark,
Referring to your original question about these cars, I received a
note
from Sam Clarke of Kadee, who put together the following
information
about the prototype cars. My earlier notes were taken from cars in
which I had knowledge of, but the diagram specifies nearly all of
what
you are looking for. From what I can tell from photos, the
majority of
the 1,000 cars in lot 8177 came with Apex running boards.

The Kadee models are accurate to the extent that the car body,
appliances, and lettering are correct. For their car #1555, the
trucks
would require replacement (Branchline's Barber Stabilized trucks
will
work). Thanks goes to Sam!
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Begin forwarded message:

   I have the C&NW equipment diagrams for these cars. The
following is
information from the particular diagram of the PS-1s in question
656-1655.
 
Hand brakes
Universal   1056-1155
Equipco      856-1055
Miner          656-855
Ajax          1156-1655
 
Doors (as you quoted)
Camel  656-1455 (Youngstown)
Superior  1456-1655
 
Trucks
National C-1  1556-1655
A-3 Ride Control 656-1355
Barber S-2-A  1356-1555
 
Wheels
1-W Wrot Steel   900 cars
X-3 E?S   100 cars
 
Running Boards, Apex and Gypsum (no car break down)


Re: Weevil-control lining in boxcars

Greg Martin
 

Mark,

The subject goes beyond the scope of this list, but there were such things
in the fifties as well it was just a different type of packet that hung in the
cars.

Greg Martin


C&NW PS-1 656-1655

Ed Hawkins
 

Mark,
Referring to your original question about these cars, I received a note
from Sam Clarke of Kadee, who put together the following information
about the prototype cars. My earlier notes were taken from cars in
which I had knowledge of, but the diagram specifies nearly all of what
you are looking for. From what I can tell from photos, the majority of
the 1,000 cars in lot 8177 came with Apex running boards.

The Kadee models are accurate to the extent that the car body,
appliances, and lettering are correct. For their car #1555, the trucks
would require replacement (Branchline's Barber Stabilized trucks will
work). Thanks goes to Sam!
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Begin forwarded message:

   I have the C&NW equipment diagrams for these cars. The following is
information from the particular diagram of the PS-1s in question
656-1655.
 
Hand brakes
Universal   1056-1155
Equipco      856-1055
Miner          656-855
Ajax          1156-1655
 
Doors (as you quoted)
Camel  656-1455 (Youngstown)
Superior  1456-1655
 
Trucks
National C-1  1556-1655
A-3 Ride Control 656-1355
Barber S-2-A  1356-1555
 
Wheels
1-W Wrot Steel   900 cars
X-3 E?S   100 cars
 
Running Boards, Apex and Gypsum (no car break down)


Re: Tank cars for molasses delivery

irv_thomae <ithomae@...>
 

I can answer a few of Lynn Finch's questions, but don't know of any
photos.

The "VT feed store" he has heard about was a "For-All Store",
located in South Ryegate, in a dairy region on the Montpelier & Wells
River some half-dozen miles west of the B&M/CP Connecticut River main
line. A few years ago, as part of an oral history project, a friend
and I interviewed "Andy", a now-retired farmer who worked there in the
late 30's as a teenager.
Andy told us that back then, feeds were quite commonly mixed to
order, and molasses was a frequent component. Understandably,
however, no Depression-era Vermonter would use store-bought feed when
his own pastures were green, so most feed sales occurred during the
winter months - when the overnight temperatures often reached -30 F.
To keep the molasses manageably fluid, it was stored underground, in
the recycled body of an 8,000-gallon tank car. (You probably couldn't
do that today - I have no idea how they cleaned residual oil out of it
before its first load of molasses.)
When For-All needed more molasses, it came up from Boston via the
Concord-Plymouth line. By the time it got to Woodsville, of course,
it was pretty solid - so the tank car was spotted next to the
Woodsville roundhouse for 24 hours or so, with its heating coils
connected to a steam line. The next morning, the M&WR hauled it out
to South Ryegate, where simple gravity was now sufficient to refill
the store's tank. I don't know if portions of a single tankcar load
were delivered to other customers, but I tend to doubt it would have
been practical.

After WWII, that feed store changed hands a few times. Eventually,
the building was demolished, and its 8000-gallon tank was sold to a
fuel-oil dealer, who returned it to its original use - sort of. They
set the tank up on steel legs in Bradford, VT, and it was still there
the last time I looked.

I have no idea how much of this story can be generalized to NYO&W
territory, but it may give some sense of what problems had to be dealt
with - along with the unlikelihood that any two businesses solved them
exactly the same way.

If you do track down any photos, please let me know - So. Ryegate
will be a major focus of my (HO) layout, so I really need at least one
appropriately lettered tank car.

Irv Thomae
in Norwich, Vermont

--- In STMFC@..., "loconut35" <lmfin@c...> wrote:
Looking for info on tank cars used to tranport molasses from 1940
to the mid 50's
I have the Illinois Railway museum photo of GATX 75470 but I
believe this car was built in 1960. I understand there is a Ben
Brown photo of an 8,000 gal. tank car at a VT feed store and a photo
of ISTX 533 by John LaRue but I have not been able to locate
either. I believe I have read every posting in the archive about
molasses tank cars (helpful) and am looking for help in locating
more articles and photos.
I am building a model of a feed store complex on the NYO&W
located in Merrickville, NY. An 8,000 gallon tank car would fit in
the area nicely but from an interview with the owners daughter it
appears the storage tank may have been half that size. It appears
that most tank cars of this era were 8000 gallon capacity. Were
tank cars, used for molasses shipment, of this era, smaller than
8000 gallons? Or was the molasses too heavy to fill 8000 gal cars to
capacity? Or tanks cars delivered to one feed mill, partially
unloaded and then sent on to another mill? Or only loaded to the
quantitiy ordered? Or?
Thanks for your help, Lynn Finch


Re: RDG USRA gons (was Taylor trucks)

Larry Kline
 

Richard Townsend asked:
I wonder how accurate the p/l is on the Reading model (number aside).

It matches the 1957 Col. Chet McCoid photo of RDG 24198 that Richard
Hendrickson mentioned. Its also on sale.
http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7461

The Walthers photo shows a car numbered 23035 which is in a series of
21 cars (23015-23350) These were rebuilt in 1938 according to Eric
Neubauer's RDG roster which also says that they ran until 1966.
http://www.enter.net/~eaneubauer/rdg.htm
The 10-56 ORER says that all 21 were still in service and that they are
container gons. There are photos of 23019 and 23035 (with Taylor
trucks) on Rich Yoder's web site. Rich imported very nice O scale USRA
gon and USRA clone gon brass models.
http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_rdg_cont_gon.htm

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Tank Car decals HELP

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Allen;
Thanks very much for that info! Who are good purveyors of these decals?

Have you done either the Norwest kit or the Tichy kitbash? How were
they?

Thanks again,

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
ajfergusonca
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:07 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tank Car decals HELP

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...>
wrote:
, are
there any other decal sets available in HO that are appropriate
for the
timeframe of this list?
Most of Black Cat's decals are pre 1965 (and mosly Canadian) Scales
other than HO are available as well:

NSOX351 North Star Oil 8000 gal. Tank Car(start with
Intermountan 8000)1930s -1971
BAOX #833 Tank car - bow tie Pre 1947
BAOX #358 Tank Car - Roundel 1947-1967
CGTX #1 703 war emergency tank car- 10,000 or 8000 Usgal
(kitbash Tichy)pre 1960s
GATX 20717 Tank car 1930s-1960s
IOX 3248 Imperial Oil tank car(Norwest Kit #120 1930s- 1955
CIL #7011 Tank car 1940s -1970s
MFLX #753 McColl Frontenac tank cars 1930s-1950s
CN #990857 Tank car(Norwest Kit #120) 1930s-1960s
CN #990925 Tank car(1943 war emergency)1940s-1960s
CPR#415408 8 & 10,000 gal. Tank cars(Norwest #120 or
Intermountain)pre 1967
Sinclair Billboard style silver on black

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Re: Taylor trucks

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks. The Walthers cars are even on sale right now. I wonder how accurate the p/l is on the Reading model (number aside).

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:02 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Richard Townsend asked:
"I have come into possession of a pair of Taylor trucks. �My
understanding is that Taylors were used exclusively (or almost so) by
the Reading. �My question is this: what series of cars, if any, would
have had Taylor trucks in 1958?"
"I'm looking for a good modeling candidate, which in my case is a car
that I can model with an available kit."

Oy. �From a modeling standpoint, Reading's pre-WWII boxcars are a pain
in the ass.... etc. etc.
Ben got so absorbed in the problems of modeling the Reading's box cars
that he overlooked a much easier solution. �One series of Reading GML
USRA-design 70 ton mill gondolas had Taylor trucks, series 23500-24499
built in 1926. �Those cars can be modeled with Westerfield resin kits
or, if you're willing to fix some minor shortcomings, Walthers styrene
models, and many of them were still in revenue service in 1958. �In
fact, I have a Col. Chet McCoid photo of RDG 24198 still going strong
and in excellent condition in December, 1957. �Of course, the Reading
gons had 70 ton, not 50 ton, Taylor trucks, but since the journal boxes
on most model trucks are oversize anyway, I'll bet the trucks Richard
Townsend has would represent the gondola trucks quite convincingly.

Richard Hendrickson

--
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: Tank Car decals HELP

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Thanks for the clarification, Andy.

I may buy a couple sets, just to see if there is useful data there.
They may straddle eras, if I'm lucky.

Take care,

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Miller,Andrew S.
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:54 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tank Car decals HELP

Eldon,

Almost all of the ISP decals are contemporary. However, Bill Onorato,
the owner, art department, production mgr and head of shipping ;-) has
been doing this for over twenty years. So "contemporary" is relative.
Bill once told me he would be happy to do steam era cars for me but has
rarely seen good color photos of them. With contemporary cars he
frequently can obtain the assistance of the car's owner- usually in
exchange for a few finished decals.


regards,

Andy Miller


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Gatwood, Elden
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:16 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car decals HELP

Folks;

Can anyone tell me what the approximate eras are for the Islington
Station line of decals for tank cars? They have some
interesting-looking sets, but I have no idea as to the appropriate
dates
they are good for.



Aside from the Champ decal line, and the nice Microscale decal sets,
are
there any other decal sets available in HO that are appropriate for the
timeframe of this list? And, speaking of the Microscale sets, are
these
all good for the pre-'60 timeframe, or are these later lettering
schemes?



Are there any tank car manufacturer logos for our era in any of these
sets?



Thanks!



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Re: Taylor trucks

Richard Townsend
 

Sorry. HO. Ben Hom and Richard Hendrickson guessed right. I should have made that clear at the outset.

"Rich Yoder" <@oscale48> wrote:

What scale do you model in?

Rich


----- Original Message -----
From: <richtownsend@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Taylor trucks


I have come into possession of a pair of Taylor trucks. �My understanding
is that Taylors were used exclusively (or almost so) by the Reading. �My
question is this: what series of cars, if any, would have had Taylor trucks
in 1958? �I'm looking for a good modeling candidate, which in my case is a
car that I can model with an available kit.

--
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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resources wanted for gondola ends

Justin Turpin <birdbiz2003@...>
 

I am using the Atlas HO scale 8 panel gon . a photo of the prototype is at


http://forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13564



Sincerely

Tyler Turpin



Tyler Turpin asked:
"does anyone know of photos or other sources of detailed info on the
ends of the 8 panel gons rebuilt in 1953 for the C AND EI these were
series 95300 to 95399. The photo online is good for the sides but not
good enough to detail the ends for the members of this group.
converting the kit to the prototype mainly means sanding off a lot of
rivets, removing the left side of the ladder frame on the right hand
side, and adding some grab irons and probably $5.00 worth of parts to
the ends and some cutting on the ends may be required.the step plate is
too high and has to go. A quick cheap kitbash that will produce a very
accurate model from a car that can be picked up for under $7.00 at
shows may be possible."

1. Do you have a URL for the "photo online"?
2. What model are you using for your starting point?


Ben Hom







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