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Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21

ljack70117@...
 

On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Gatwood, Elden wrote:

Larry;

My question: Why would casinghead gasoline have to be shipped in
insulated tank cars?


I was told by a guy that I think knows enough (worked in by-products
plant), that casinghead gas (a liquid) is highly volatile, and will
expand readily upon heating. He made it sound like it is a
naturally-produced liquid similar to gasoline, that is a by-product of
the process by which organics are turned into raw petroleum. There are
many other highly volatile products of the coking process, and also
those produced when refining petroleum.

Does it seem like early cars produced for this service also have very
large domes, like larger than 2% of tank volume? And, that early cars
used by the by-products industry (like the infamous Koppers 10K
insulated tanks), are the same?

Take care,

Elden Gatwood
Casinghead gasoline as I know it is a natural gasoline off the well head. That is why it is called casinghead. Has nothing to do with refining or cooking any thing. I knew a guy that worked around oil wells and he used it in his car. It is higher octain than any thing you can buy in a filling station. A car will not like it as it will burn your valves if you do not put something with it in your tank to slow it down. You get it out of the seperator tank. The oil comes from the well to this tank. The water is seperated from the oil and other things come off the crude. That is why some wells have a flame burning to handle some of the gases that come off.
I had a brother in law die on one of these tanks. He was 8 years old and him and two young friends were playing on one of these tanks. One of the boys knew he was not to play there and was headed for home. The other one was on the ground just out side of the continement ring around the tank.
My brother in law was on top of the tank and opened the lid on top. He put his cap gun inside and fired it. The tank went "boom". He fell straight down into the tank as it split apart and was probably dead before he hit the bottom. The other boy was blown away and was burned but lived. The fire department had to put out the fire before they could recover Bobbie's body.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
The 50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is 90% probability you'll get it wrong.


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

SUVCWORR@...
 

Elden:

The Merchandise Service schemes in all three designs for 40 ft cars as
appropriate and the X40b 60'car.

Rich Orr


ADMIN: Decal Survey NOT a Problem

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Elden Gatwood writes:

I am sorry to have caused such a problem.
Elden refers to a comment that I made that a survey would be better off tabulated off group. I also noted that I have received some complaints about out of scope messages...as in, what else is new? However, I have received no complaints about the survey and I do believe such surveys are within scope. However, I think it best that the results be accumulated off group since the number of messages CAN be rather significant. I would also suggest that the results of such a survey SHOULD be published on the STMFC. Incidentally, I'm not hard over on this call and it might well be that when results are announced, others not aware of the survey might wish to add their comments at that time. So, in fact, Elden has caused no problem and I'm sorry that my message gave such an impression. His initiative to generate useful and important decals should be applauded rather than criticized.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars

Jon Cagle <jscagle@...>
 

Gang:

The car Lou is talking about is a logging or industrail tank car, in O scale narrow gauge. Not the Standard Tank Car Co. tanks.

jon

From: Ted Culotta <tculotta@speedwitch.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:27:11 -0500







On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:11 PM, jaley wrote:



On Dec 2,� 2:18pm, eci305@aol.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars
Hi
I had the preproduction cars runing on the Coon Creek last weekend the
two
cars are the
tank car and a carter bros box car. The production� molds are done and
Jon
says both cars
will be on sale at the Cocoa Bch. meet in Jan. They look great.
Lou Ullian
Lou,
����� What scale and gauge are these?� Am I correct in remembering that
your layout is O and On3 gauge?


This is a surprise to me, too, as I spoke to Jon Cagle at Naperville

about decals for his kits and he told me there was no rush to have

anything done for Cocoa Beach as he wouldn't be ready.



Regards,

Ted Culotta



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continued input on decals

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Folks;

I am sorry to have caused such a problem.



Please respond off-list to my request for feedback on PRR decals.



Thanks, and have a great weekend!



Elden Gatwood


Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Larry;

My question: Why would casinghead gasoline have to be shipped in
insulated tank cars?


I was told by a guy that I think knows enough (worked in by-products
plant), that casinghead gas (a liquid) is highly volatile, and will
expand readily upon heating. He made it sound like it is a
naturally-produced liquid similar to gasoline, that is a by-product of
the process by which organics are turned into raw petroleum. There are
many other highly volatile products of the coking process, and also
those produced when refining petroleum.

Does it seem like early cars produced for this service also have very
large domes, like larger than 2% of tank volume? And, that early cars
used by the by-products industry (like the infamous Koppers 10K
insulated tanks), are the same?

Take care,

Elden Gatwood


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I have two sets in the works right now, but they won't be out until next spring. One is for earlier box cars and the other is for later (the context of early and later is mine.) One will letter X23, X25, X26, X28 and X29. The other will do X31, X32, X33, X37, X38 (no kit), X41. These are all Circle Keystone. I plan others, but they are longer term projects. Regrets to Gregg, but they are HO.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 2, 2005, at 4:11 PM, jaley wrote:

On Dec 2, 2:18pm, eci305@aol.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars
Hi

I had the preproduction cars runing on the Coon Creek last weekend the
two
cars are the
tank car and a carter bros box car. The production molds are done and
Jon
says both cars
will be on sale at the Cocoa Bch. meet in Jan. They look great.

Lou Ullian
Lou,

What scale and gauge are these? Am I correct in remembering that
your layout is O and On3 gauge?
This is a surprise to me, too, as I spoke to Jon Cagle at Naperville about decals for his kits and he told me there was no rush to have anything done for Cocoa Beach as he wouldn't be ready.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Good ideas.

Thanks, Gregg!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gregg Mahlkov
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:45 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR Decal survey for needs!

Elden,

I would very much like to see, and would purchase, the following, but
ONLY
IN N SCALE:

Circle Keystone lettering for X23, X29, X29c, d, X41 boxcars

Pre CK lettering for XL boxcars, including pre-1920 lettering for
subsidiary
roads like Vandalia, etc.

Lettering for R7 reefers in both PRR and Fruit Growers (PRR cars were
sold
to FGE).

Bowser is covering the H21's and Gla's pretty well in N scale, but some
decals for gons and flats in the CK and pre-CK schemes might be nice,
too.

Again, N SCALE decals.

Gregg Mahlkov






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Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

wm7595@...
 

Eldon, I would love accurate CK and SK decals for pretty much every class of
gondolas, especially SK for the Sunshine G29 currently on my workbench.
Roger Cox


Re: Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Dec 2, 2:18pm, eci305@aol.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Southern Car & Foundry Tank Cars
Hi

I had the preproduction cars runing on the Coon Creek last weekend the
two
cars are the
tank car and a carter bros box car. The production molds are done and
Jon
says both cars
will be on sale at the Cocoa Bch. meet in Jan. They look great.

Lou Ullian
Lou,

What scale and gauge are these? Am I correct in remembering that
your layout is O and On3 gauge?

Regards,

-Jeff

--
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DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Tim O'Connor
 

andy, i have one -- it's brass :-)

And K8s to put them on ---- siiigh


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Thanks, Shawn! I think there are several of you that feel that way.

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Beckert, Shawn
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:59 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] PRR Decal survey for needs!

Elden,

We could use a set specifically for the X44's in auto parts
service - I believe these wore the Circle Keystone scheme.

Shawn Beckert


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

And K8s to put them on ---- siiigh


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
timboconnor@comcast.net
. . .

And the LATE style lettering (mid 1950's and later) for K7/K8 stock
cars!

Tim O.


PRR Decal survey for needs!

Shawn Beckert
 

Elden,

We could use a set specifically for the X44's in auto parts
service - I believe these wore the Circle Keystone scheme.

Shawn Beckert


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Elden,

I would very much like to see, and would purchase, the following, but ONLY IN N SCALE:

Circle Keystone lettering for X23, X29, X29c, d, X41 boxcars

Pre CK lettering for XL boxcars, including pre-1920 lettering for subsidiary roads like Vandalia, etc.

Lettering for R7 reefers in both PRR and Fruit Growers (PRR cars were sold to FGE).

Bowser is covering the H21's and Gla's pretty well in N scale, but some decals for gons and flats in the CK and pre-CK schemes might be nice, too.

Again, N SCALE decals.

Gregg Mahlkov


Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Tim;
Thanks for the feedback. I will incorporate it into the survey.

Stan Rydarowicz makes a nice F30D set, if I am getting the details
right, that fits the Bowser car specifically. But, flat cars in general
are one of the least represented types of car, in terms of PRR decal
availability. You may have some pleasant news on that front.

The departure of Middle Division has made their F39 set almost a kind of
holy grail. I know lots of folks that would like that car done.

I am working on the F41 right now. I wish we had a car to go with it!
Maybe we'll get one...

I'll look into the stock car issue, too. Do you have any interest in
the K9-K11 group? Too late?

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
timboconnor@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR Decal survey for needs!

Eldon,

I'd like correct decals for F30/a/etc, F39, and F41 flat cars.
Especially
the latter two.

And the LATE style lettering (mid 1950's and later) for K7/K8 stock
cars!

Tim O.


I would like to ask your advice in what decals you would like to see
produced for PRR freight and MW cars.



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Re: PRR Decal survey for needs!

Tim O'Connor
 

Eldon,

I'd like correct decals for F30/a/etc, F39, and F41 flat cars. Especially
the latter two.

And the LATE style lettering (mid 1950's and later) for K7/K8 stock cars!

Tim O.

I would like to ask your advice in what decals you would like to see
produced for PRR freight and MW cars.


PRR Decal survey for needs!

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Folks;



I would like to ask your advice in what decals you would like to see
produced for PRR freight and MW cars.



I am constantly being asked about what decals are suitable for what
classes of cars, and would like to work with a friendly decal-maker to
address some of the gaps, at a minimum.



With the departure of several big lines from the business, we have
become considerably less well-supplied with decals than we were just 2
years ago.



Let me know what CLASSES of cars you would like to see produced, and in
what LETTERING SCHEME(S). For example; X31 class, Circle Keystone
scheme...



If you are unsure of what relates to what, drop me a line so we can
clarify things!



We will be presenting a summary of decals for freight and MW soon in
TKM, so you can review what is still being made, or just available from
remaining stock, etc. Hopefully, that will give you further ideas on
what you may need in the future.



No, do NOT ask me about passenger cars, or the sodding FOM scheme. That
will be dealt with later. Hopefully by somebody else!



Please provide feedback soon!



Thanks,



Elden Gatwood

PRRT&HS Modeling Committee


Re: P&LE 41398

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "richtownsend2002" <richtownsend@n...>
wrote:

I neglected to mention that the Wabash car was filmed in about 1958,
being pulled by a steam era steam locomotive. Maybe a little later.
but I think steam was gone from the C&S by 1960 except for the
Leadville-Climax line. <snip>

The Wabash acquired close to 500 52'-6" gons from AC&F, their own
Decatur shop, and Bethlehem by the end of the 1950's. Most with drop
ends and some with fixed ends. I believe that all but the 1942 built
cars had 14 panels, some with the stakes stopping short of the
fishbelly sides and some with the stake going to the bottom of the
sides. The large 33" WABASH lettering was authorized during mid 1955.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

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