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Re: NKP 50'DD Box

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Armand, the 88100-88153, and 87100-87199 series of cars, built 1942 had
Viking roofs.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NKP 50'DD Box


Brian,Thank you.Somewhere I thought I had read that they had a Viking
roof.The car is actually in the 86000 series.The underframe detail is poor
and somewhat oversize by present standards some other detail are poor.I
was
hoping that it would be a car that could be detailed.to the level of the
Proto 2k 50 footers.Armand Premo
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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@bluemoon.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NKP 50'DD Box


Armand the NKP 86000-86199 series was built in 1949. The cars had the
following equipment when built.

86000-86099 Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures
86100-86199 Superior Doors with Superior Fixtures
15'-0" door opening
10'-6' inside height
5 panels to the left of the door, 8 to the right.
Diagonal panel roofs, Apex running boards, brake step
Improved dreadnaught ends 4/3/1 ends.
Ajax hand brakes
ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks

Many cars had DF loaders applied, (numbers available if needed) One car,
86184, had Buckeye Cushion Ride Trucks applied. What do those look like?
All
the cars were in autoparts service, even those without DF equipment.

I do not have the McKean car so I don't know if this car matches the
above
information. Hope this helps.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY




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Re: NKP 50'DD Box

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Ed, you are correct, the diagram of the car lists "Diag. Panel. 14 Ga. Galv.
Steel S.R.E.M. Co. and the elevation view shows plan end panels and raised
3rd, and 4th panels. I missed that on my first review.

I have seen Stan's roof, it is a nice casting. I haven't modeled any of
these cars since I do not have any autoparts traffic on the layout.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NKP 50'DD Box



On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 04:27 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Armand the NKP 86000-86199 series was built in 1949. The cars had the
following equipment when built.

86000-86099 Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures
86100-86199 Superior Doors with Superior Fixtures
15'-0" door opening
10'-6' inside height
5 panels to the left of the door, 8 to the right.
Diagonal panel roofs, Apex running boards, brake step
Improved dreadnaught ends 4/3/1 ends.
Ajax hand brakes
ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks

Many cars had DF loaders applied, (numbers available if needed) One
car,
86184, had Buckeye Cushion Ride Trucks applied. What do those look
like? All
the cars were in autoparts service, even those without DF equipment.
Brian and Armand,
There's been discussion on this car on the STMFC in the past. While
these cars and other similar 50' automobile cars had "diagonal panel"
roofs, they actually were a combination of diagonal panels and Murphy
raised rectangular panels (I've previously called these combination
diagonal panel roofs for lack of a better term). The 3rd and 4th panels
from each end were Murphy raised panels. This roof is available in cast
urethane from Stan Rydarowicz.

The more recent Branchline Trains 50' AAR box car with 15' doorway is
the far better model to use than anything made by McKean (reference
Armand's original message). Jack Spencer built an exquisite model of
this car. Be advised that the positioning of the AB brake components
isn't the "standard" configuration. I presently don't recall what was
different, but Jack wound up having to make a revision to his original
model when a brake arrangement drawing became available in 2002. The
general arrangement and brake arrangement drawings for ACF lot 3428
(#620-4562 and 620-4561, respectively) are available at the Museum of
Transportation for anyone that may want to purchase copies.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins






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Re: NKP 50'DD Box

armprem
 

Thanks for all the help.I had actually bought a roof from Stan for this project.I obviously picked up the wrong roof.The underframe has an incorrect orientation.Other than being in the wrong position the brake parts are grossly oversized.Armand Premo

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From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NKP 50'DD Box



On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 04:27 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Armand the NKP 86000-86199 series was built in 1949. The cars had the
following equipment when built.

86000-86099 Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures
86100-86199 Superior Doors with Superior Fixtures
15'-0" door opening
10'-6' inside height
5 panels to the left of the door, 8 to the right.
Diagonal panel roofs, Apex running boards, brake step
Improved dreadnaught ends 4/3/1 ends.
Ajax hand brakes
ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks

Many cars had DF loaders applied, (numbers available if needed) One
car,
86184, had Buckeye Cushion Ride Trucks applied. What do those look
like? All
the cars were in autoparts service, even those without DF equipment.
Brian and Armand,
There's been discussion on this car on the STMFC in the past. While
these cars and other similar 50' automobile cars had "diagonal panel"
roofs, they actually were a combination of diagonal panels and Murphy
raised rectangular panels (I've previously called these combination
diagonal panel roofs for lack of a better term). The 3rd and 4th panels
from each end were Murphy raised panels. This roof is available in cast
urethane from Stan Rydarowicz.

The more recent Branchline Trains 50' AAR box car with 15' doorway is
the far better model to use than anything made by McKean (reference
Armand's original message). Jack Spencer built an exquisite model of
this car. Be advised that the positioning of the AB brake components
isn't the "standard" configuration. I presently don't recall what was
different, but Jack wound up having to make a revision to his original
model when a brake arrangement drawing became available in 2002. The
general arrangement and brake arrangement drawings for ACF lot 3428
(#620-4562 and 620-4561, respectively) are available at the Museum of
Transportation for anyone that may want to purchase copies.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





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Re: NKP 50'DD Box

armprem
 

Brian,Thank you.Somewhere I thought I had read that they had a Viking roof.The car is actually in the 86000 series.The underframe detail is poor and somewhat oversize by present standards some other detail are poor.I was hoping that it would be a car that could be detailed.to the level of the Proto 2k 50 footers.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@bluemoon.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NKP 50'DD Box


Armand the NKP 86000-86199 series was built in 1949. The cars had the
following equipment when built.

86000-86099 Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures
86100-86199 Superior Doors with Superior Fixtures
15'-0" door opening
10'-6' inside height
5 panels to the left of the door, 8 to the right.
Diagonal panel roofs, Apex running boards, brake step
Improved dreadnaught ends 4/3/1 ends.
Ajax hand brakes
ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks

Many cars had DF loaders applied, (numbers available if needed) One car,
86184, had Buckeye Cushion Ride Trucks applied. What do those look like? All
the cars were in autoparts service, even those without DF equipment.

I do not have the McKean car so I don't know if this car matches the above
information. Hope this helps.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY




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Re: NKP 50'DD Box

Tim O'Connor
 

The McKean car has the wrong body style for NKP. The correct
body is made by Branchline and I'm pretty sure they offered it
in NKP.

The McKean model can be used for SP and a few others.

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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@bluemoon.net>
Armand the NKP 86000-86199 series was built in 1949. The cars had the
following equipment when built.


amarillo rail museum ART refers?

allen rueter <allen@...>
 

Any one get their ART refer's by Amarillo RM? I got an email
back in mid Feb. saying shipped, but no cc charge, no package, email
bounces do to inbox full. Just wondering.

Allen Rueter


Re: NKP 50'DD Box

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Armand the NKP 86000-86199 series was built in 1949. The cars had the
following equipment when built.

86000-86099 Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures
86100-86199 Superior Doors with Superior Fixtures
15'-0" door opening
10'-6' inside height
5 panels to the left of the door, 8 to the right.
Diagonal panel roofs, Apex running boards, brake step
Improved dreadnaught ends 4/3/1 ends.
Ajax hand brakes
ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks

Many cars had DF loaders applied, (numbers available if needed) One car,
86184, had Buckeye Cushion Ride Trucks applied. What do those look like? All
the cars were in autoparts service, even those without DF equipment.

I do not have the McKean car so I don't know if this car matches the above
information. Hope this helps.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Quick question

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Can anyone tell me where to get Microsoft Office at a reasonable price? Please contact me off list.

Freight car content? I need power point to update a RPM presentation.

Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


NKP 50'DD Box

armprem
 

I have an old McKean 50'double door box car kit.How accurate is it? (80000 series).The graphics look good.Is it worth saving?It has a 12/49 built date.Armand Premo


Update: HO Dalman 2 level trucks

Andy Carlson
 

At the recently attended freight car meet sponsered by
Martin Loftin, pictures were shown of this Dalmann
truck. I was very pleased by the level of excellent
work placed in the tooling. The springs have to be the
BEST rendition of coil springs ever done in an HO
truck. Looks like a lot of progress has been made. I
do not yet have a date when they will be available.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu> wrote:

Let me know when the Dalman trucks are available


PFE R-40-25 Reefers

Paul Lyons
 

List,
I finally got my hands on some of the original Amarillo/Intermountain PFE
R-40-25 Kits. I have no idea why I did not buy them when they were new. Anyway,
Ed Hawkins' article in the Sept 2000 RJ on these cars tells me that five (5)
different hand brakes and three (3) different running board types were used on
the 3000 production cars. Ed goes on in the article to say that the car
assignments for these specialties could not be determined from the PFE drawings he
had at the time. No problem, I thought a quick email to Dick Harley would
unravel this mystery in short order. Not to be, Dick says the Allocation of
Specialties drawing for the R-40-25 cars is PFE 283-C-10162, but he does not have
one. So with all that said, does anyone have a copy of the above referenced
drawing, or any other info, that will delineate what running boards and hand brakes
were assigned which road numbers? As always, any and all help is most
appreicated.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Fw: Re: BREX beginnings

Rupert and Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Apologies, wrong address.

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From: "Rupert and Maureen" <gamlenz@ihug.co.nz>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: BREX beginnings


Did the money arrive safely?
Rupert


Re: BREX beginnings

Rupert and Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Did the money arrive safely?

Rupert

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From: "proto48er" <atkott@swbell.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BREX beginnings


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert and Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

Still on the subject of BREX, I'm compiling a full roster of CB&Q
reefers, including those that were leased to Burlington Refrigerator Express Co. in June 1926.
I am aware of the intended number groups for the leased cars but
does anyone have a June 1926 ORER who can provide me with the actual number groups that were listed for the new company.
Also, the first listing of the number of cars in each number group
was between November 1926 and May 1927. Does anyone have an ORER between those dates who can assist with this.
Rupert - I have June, 1926 and March, 1927, ORER's. I think I still have your email address in the computer. A.T. Kott


Re: Covered hopper bulk loads

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, raildata@... wrote:

BTW has anyone every seen a cover hopper laod that was not a "bulk
load"??

Anyway, the rail transport of cement died in Pennsylvania (and
maybe the
east) died in the '50s. I have seen somewhere, probably in a book
on the L&NE,
that at that time the ICC or Pennsylvania Utilities Commission
gave permission
for bulk hauling of cement in highway trailers. This ruling
essentially wiped
out rail haulage of cement in the area since the material could
now be hauled
in bulk directly to large construction sites, as well as readi
mixed concrete
plants. I know the L&NE sold a batch of covered hoppers to the
UP. In any
event, cement cars as they were lettered on the DL&W and some
other lines, made a
rather sudden demise in the Northeast....
Chuck -

I think a number of the LNE covered hoppers were leased to the
Missouri Pacific and used in south Texas for cement service. They
even kept the LNE paint for a while.

There may be a design difference in covered hoppers made for
different commodities. In other words, slope sheet angle and bottom
gate design may be specific for cars handling cement, and may not be
optimal for handling other commodities. This would account for
their going so far afield to remain in cement service. ACF back in
the 1980's had a "pilot plant" at St Charles, Mo., for testing flow
characteristics of different materials which they used to determine
optimal configuration for covered hoppers. It was made of Plexiglas
and you could vary the slope, etc. to see whether an actual sample
of the material to be transported would flow out of the proposed
car. However, I do not know how much actual product testing like
this was done back in the steam era on something as common as
cement. A.T. Kott


Re: last stop for covered hoppers

Fritz Milhaupt
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Ford has an engine block casting plant outside of Cleveland near
the
airport.

From the highway you can see a small yard filled with covered
hoppers
marked DT&I (20-50 cars).

When I lived in Clevlenad around 1980 those hoppers were the
Bowswer
square hatch variety. Two years ago they were PS2 2 bay cars.

There are large piles of spend casting sand near the plant and the
air
smells like something electrical is overheating (it's the casting
sand
binder burning).

I wonder if they ship the waste sand somewhere else?

Ed
Good question. Wish I had an answer on that part of it...

As for the other end of that operation, these cars originate in Yuma,
Michigan on the former Ann Arbor (now Tuscola & Saginaw bay). For
several months at a time these cars will move in unbroken blocks of
20-30 cars. At times in the past these have included the odd older
cylindrical hopper in addition to the ubiquitous 70-ton 2-bay cars.

Sand service out of Yuma to various (mostly Ford) casting plants
dates back well into the steam era.

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org


PFE Decals

Dick Harley <Dick.Harley@...>
 

IMPORTANT !!

If you have any wants, desires, complaints, suggestions, corrections or
comments about PFE decals, they are needed NOW. Please send them to me off
list at: dick.harley"at"wdc.com
I will not be monitoring all the lists where this has been sent.

Take advantage of this opportunity to try to get things fixed and right.
Please share this message with anyone you know who may care.
As my Mom says, "Speak now, or forever hold your peace."

Regards,
Dick Harley


Re: AT&SF Boxcar 138082

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Santa Fe mounted air reservoirs on some cars at 90
degrees to the center sill, instead of parallel as
most railroads did.
True, but not in the case of the Bx-26, Bx-27, and Bx-34 classes with
Duryea underframes. On those cars the reservoirs were mounted parallel
to the center sills and very close to the side sills, owing to the
greater width of the Duryea underframe's center sills as compared with
an AAR standard underframe.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Dalman 2 level trucks

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Don't be sorry; we are all waiting...
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu>
Organization: University of Delaware
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:35:02 -0500
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC]Dalman 2 level trucks

Sorry guys,

My note to Andy was supposed to go off list! My errror!

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Dalman 2 level trucks

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Sorry guys,

My note to Andy was supposed to go off list! My errror!

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Dalman 2 level trucks

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Hi Andy,

Let me know when the Dalman trucks are available as I would be
interested in obtaining about a dozen pair. I wonder when we will get a
good solid bearing 70-Ton truck ?

What is the latest on the door? In the meantime, the hot new item is
"Harry Potter and The Goblet Of Fire!" I will never grow up!

Regards,

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Andy Carlson wrote:

Brian told me that other commitments has him holding
off work on the Dalman tooling until late February.
Once he resumes work, he will contact me with an ETA.
Along with Dan Hall's doors, I will be offering these
trucks to members of this list. I expect to purchase
them in bulk, offering them less wheel sets, or with
the appropriate Intermountain/Rebox wheel sets. Not
being packaged, the price(s) should be quite
affordable.
-Andy Carlson
--- Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
wrote:



On Jan 20, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Arnold wrote:



Who will manufacture the new Dalman trucks?

I'm not at liberty to disclose that information yet.

Richard Hendrickson




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