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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Welch writes:


No information on Kadee's website this morning, but I noted in the New
Product section of the latest RMC the news that Kadee's next release
will the AAR standard two-bay offset twin hopper.
Did I read that right? The "Standard"? To paraphrase a comment I made a few yrs ago...do we need another F3 diesel? [ in response to some new F unit model ]. So...we still don't have the Alternate Standard but now have another Standard?

Actually, I think I understand Kadee's strategy. They SEEM to want to do cars for which they can do quite a large variety of RRs. Obviously, the Alt Standard is not that great. The new car will no doubt leave other "Standard" versions far behind in the dust. And, as the real Byron said, "If winter comes...so, perhaps an Alt Standard won't be far behind.

Speaking of Kadee, these hoppers will need weathering. I know this has been discussed long ago...but, what are suggested weathering techniques for Kadee cars?

Mike Brock


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

 

"The STANDARD twin???
I can't help but be disappointed as well. There are already two models of
the AAR standard car out there, but nobody has bothered with the Alternate
Standard. As Tim pointed out, there are quite a few railroads that had them
and the market's wide open for them, perhaps moreso than the original
Standard. Sure, we can wait for a long time. We already have. But by then,
will the market (or us) still be there? None of us is getting any younger ya
know.

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: Resin Casting Question

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

I've only made castings from masters twice, so take this with a
moderate dose of salt! One car was based on drawings that were
Xeroxed from a Mainline Modeler, and I built the masters right on
the copies. When the castings were done, they could be layed right
on top of the drawing, and matched just fine, not exhibiting any
shrinkage.
A couple of things that I found out:

1) I never thought ahead enough to worry about shrinkage. If I
had, I'd probably not have compensated for it anyway, since I cut-
and-pasted some Tichy parts to make the masters for the ends. If I
had oversized the sides and roof, they wouldn't have matched the
ends. As it was, I couldn't discern any shrinkage in the finished
parts.
2) I used the blue silicone from Micro-Mark. It cured just fine
in my kitchen, but it was about 65 degrees in there: the Urethane
resin for the actual parts wouldn't kick at that temp. I warmed up
the room to 70 deg and the resin worked. Heating the room up above
the temp where the molds were cast may have compensated for the
shrinkage.
3) I should've read the directions: "Flat top" your castings
when you pour them. I just poured them open-air, and had a slightly
convex backside on every casting. In order for them to assemble
properly, I had to sand down the backside until it was flat. Lots of
work to sand them: that urethane is tough!
4) Also, I got lazy and only made a master for one half of the
roof. I was making multiple castings anyway, right? Well, when you
flip a "right side" end for end to make a "left side", the
corrugations and seam caps were misaligned.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Gene - I was away so can only now offer my two cents. Choosing a
rubber is all a matter of trade-offs. As Tom mentioned shrinkage,
tear strength, etc. all must be taken into consideration. I use a
rubber that doesn't shrink and sets up in 16 hours. The downside is
that it gets fewer uses than other, more popular compounds. The
best way to avoid the shrinkage problem is to cast all of the parts
in one master mold, the masters for which have been sized to
assemble properly. - Al


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I will certainly buy my share. Trying to upgrade Athearn and Altas
examples with separate grabs, brake rigging, brake lines, slope sheet
supports. My time is worth something too. I upgraded two Athearn
models for NC&StL several years ago and took a hiatus.

And in case you have not noticed, "the Clinchfield and C&O and NKP
and ERIE and IC and NP guys" are often left out. Maybe they should
have ordered standard equipment!

Bill Welch


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bill,

The STANDARD twin??? :-( Who's going to pay $40 for that? Phooey.

My club has about 200 AAR standard twins -- mostly Athearn. I
don't think I could talk them into upgrading. Plus we're slowly
putting Reboxx wheels on them -- something that has to be done
to Kadee cars too.

It's the Clinchfield and C&O and NKP and ERIE and IC and NP guys
who are left out in the cold again... But I guess a few L&N fans
will be happy.

Tim


No information on Kadee's website this morning, but I noted in the
New
Product section of the latest RMC the news that Kadee's next
release
will the AAR standard two-bay offset twin hopper. Like I said
ya'll
road modelers will want many of these, unless they are modeling
the
Clinchfield.

Bill Welch


Freight Cars of the Ann Arbor RR, Was Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Rob Adams
 

Marty;

You're absolutely right, I did neglect to specify book's title. Sorry about that. It is "/Freight Cars of the Ann Arbor Railroad /1947-1985" by Craig Wilson

Definitely worth acquiring. My copy is well-worn after 16 years and now punched and in a 3-ring binder.

It is available through the Ann Arbor Railroad Technical & Historical Association.

AARRT&HA

P.O. Box 472

Laingsburg, MI 48848-0472

Interested modelers may also wish to request an index of back issues of the AARRT&HA publications, as there is a good deal of AA freight car modeling info available there. Craig Wilson served as the AARRT&HA's publications editor for several years and I took over for him from 1993-2001. Craig authored several articles primarily with a late 50's through mid 70's focus, and I complimented that with material about some of the earlier cars. References to some of the publications are listed on the Steam Freight Cars web site.

I'm presently working to complete an article for Ted Culotta on the AA single and double-sheathed box cars that were the mainstays of AA's fleet through most of the steam era. It will be a well-illustrated and comprehensive coverage of some very interesting equipment that roamed all over the U.S.

Best regards, Rob

mjmcguirk@cox.net wrote:


Rob,

I won't thank you for your apology since you did nothing to offend me -- but I know it was heart felt.

I will thank you for the "meat" of your apology, which had a lot of interesting details on AA cars.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is exactly which book is "Craig's" ??? I might want to obtain a copy for my library.

Marty McGuirk





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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"The STANDARD twin??? :-( Who's going to pay $40 for that? Phooey."

You know, quite a few of us sniffed "Who's going to pay $30 for a HO
scale PS-1?" in 1997, and Kadee ended up making us look pretty
damned stupid.

You're right - not everyone is going to pay $40 for this car. But
there are many who not only will buy one car, but multiple cars to
fill out their coal trains. (And on top of that, you can offer it
in Santa Fe!)

The same "HMS DREADNOUGHT" analogy that I made regarding their PS-1
model applies here - put something on the market that is so far
superior to what exists today, market it properly, and customers
will flock to you.


"It's the Clinchfield and C&O and NKP and ERIE and IC and NP guys
who are left out in the cold again... But I guess a few L&N fans
will be happy."

All in good time, Tim, all in good time. Surely you've got other
projects to fill your time?


Ben Hom


Re: Resin Casting Question

 

Would the rest of you prefer I take this off-line.
Gene -
I'm finding this of some value. Thank you!

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

mjmcguirk@cox.net wrote:
Great . . . a continuation of what is a regular occurance this week
-- my previous message was meant to go only to Bill, not the entire
list.
Not to worry Marty. No one here minds when you spill the beans. 8-)

Dave Nelson


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill,

The STANDARD twin??? :-( Who's going to pay $40 for that? Phooey.

My club has about 200 AAR standard twins -- mostly Athearn. I
don't think I could talk them into upgrading. Plus we're slowly
putting Reboxx wheels on them -- something that has to be done
to Kadee cars too.

It's the Clinchfield and C&O and NKP and ERIE and IC and NP guys
who are left out in the cold again... But I guess a few L&N fans
will be happy.

Tim

No information on Kadee's website this morning, but I noted in the New
Product section of the latest RMC the news that Kadee's next release
will the AAR standard two-bay offset twin hopper. Like I said ya'll
road modelers will want many of these, unless they are modeling the
Clinchfield.

Bill Welch


CNJ, LV steam era freight car diagrams

ed_mines
 

Vic Roseman offers a book of CNJ freight car diagrams that he drew.
Much of the data must have come from official railroad documents. The
book does not show all cars but shows several cars I did not know
about which were gone by 1940. Vic can be contacted through the CNJ
Yahoo group.

I can't locate my copy at the moment.

I have/had photocopies of LV steam era freight cars but misplaced it
15-20 years ago. My original source sold the originals and I have not
been able to find anther set to copy. I have been touch with a Mr.
Stilwell who wrote an LV book with Chuck Yungkurth. From what I can
tell there are few LV steam enthusuasts.

Ed


Re: Resin Casting Question

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Gene - I was away so can only now offer my two cents. Choosing a rubber is all a matter of trade-offs. As Tom mentioned shrinkage, tear strength, etc. all must be taken into consideration. I use a rubber that doesn't shrink and sets up in 16 hours. The downside is that it gets fewer uses than other, more popular compounds. The best way to avoid the shrinkage problem is to cast all of the parts in one master mold, the masters for which have been sized to assemble properly. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Resin Casting Question


Thanks to those who responded to my resin casting question. I was
quite surprised to learn that temperature had any noticable effect.
I was even more surprised to learn that the rubber molds could be
baked in an oven.

It hadn't occurred to me that the mold itself would shrink. I
expected the master itself to prevent that.

Now more questions if I may.

Larry Jackman, are you saying that Dow Corning J RTV cured 72 hours
will result in a mold with a cavity the same size as the
pattern/master/whatever it is called? Where does one acquire Dow
Corning J RTV?

Tom Madden, do I understand correctly that the baking process is done
deliberately to shrink the mold with the result that it doesn't
change size to any significant degree after baking?

Tom, can 10 or 15 degrees really result in a noticable change in mold
size? I surely hadn't expected that.

I realize that I need to make some patterns, molds and parts
experimentally before I actually undertake a real project. The first
part I was interested in trying was a slightly shorter truck bolster
for Kadee trucks to narrow them somewhat. Now that we have easy
access to narrower, but not necessarily scale, wheels and Reboxx
offers a variety of axle lengths a more to-scale truck might be
possible. If successful it might mean less carving away at the
inside of caboose steps. Another needed part is a swing-motion truck
side frame with plain, not roller, bearings.

Thanks in advance for more information.
Would the rest of you prefer I take this off-line.

Gene Green





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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

mjmcguirk@...
 

Great . . . a continuation of what is a regular occurance this week -- my previous message was meant to go only to Bill, not the entire list. (At least I didn't mention that I had test shots of the InterMountain steam era car that will be after the FGE reefer as well . . .)I guess if anyone wants to get together with Bill and I that'll be fine,

Again, apologize for any inconvience.

Marty McGuirk


From: <mjmcguirk@cox.net>
Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 09:48:44 EDT
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kadee's new offset twin hopper


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

mjmcguirk@...
 

Great . . . a continuation of what is a regular occurance this week -- my previous message was meant to go only to Bill, not the entire list. (At least I didn't mention that I had test shots of the InterMountain steam era car that will be after the FGE reefer as well . . .)I guess if anyone wants to get together with Bill and I that'll be fine,

Again, apologize for any inconvience.

Marty McGuirk


From: <mjmcguirk@cox.net>
Date: 2006/04/03 Mon AM 09:48:44 EDT
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kadee's new offset twin hopper


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

mjmcguirk@...
 

At last, we can talk . . . oh, and it's not a 1932 ARA boxcar . . . (as an aside, I think that's the one car we'll NEVER see accurately and completely done in injection molded plastic . . .

Bill, have you seen the Intermountain FGE reefer yet? MAtt was going to send you test shots -- I have a couple of sets of parts if you haven't seen them yet.

Marty McGuirk


Kadee's new offset twin hopper

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

No information on Kadee's website this morning, but I noted in the New
Product section of the latest RMC the news that Kadee's next release
will the AAR standard two-bay offset twin hopper. Like I said ya'll
road modelers will want many of these, unless they are modeling the
Clinchfield.

Bill Welch


Re: Code 88 wheels?

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Manfred Lorenz" <germanfred55@...> wrote:


Would it have been a solution if one put a piece of angle iron on the
rail heads to bridge the flangeway?

Manfred
Tried that once. There was no way to get an angle iron between the
flange and rail; the flange just pushed it along. This is full size
railroad equipment, where fingers are soft, squishy, and expendable in
comparison.

Also thought about making a long steel shim to hook on the end of the
guard rail, but that didn't help the wheel drop problem. In reality,
jockeying back and forth was easy, and each time the car reversed, the
truck would turn a bit to accommodate the curve, and then the wheels
would track pretty well. We just needed someone on the ground to
confirm they were lined up with the frog flangeway before proceeding.

Dennis


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

mjmcguirk@...
 

Rob,

I won't thank you for your apology since you did nothing to offend me -- but I know it was heart felt.

I will thank you for the "meat" of your apology, which had a lot of interesting details on AA cars.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is exactly which book is "Craig's" ??? I might want to obtain a copy for my library.

Marty McGuirk


Re: Mopac Hoppers reported in Fraley's Wheel Reports (was Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News)

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Tim Gilbert wrote:

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"
According to cars reported by UP Conductor Fraley in his reports of
trains between Laramie & Rawlins WY:

MP #59513 designated HM - loaded westbound with coal for the Salt Lake
City area. 3/20/1949



Repeating myself, the Geneva Steel Works in Provo imported about 10% of
their coal requirements from Arkansas. They needed better met coal to blend
into the local stuff in order to get the coke quality they needed. That's
not to say it was always MP cars that carried that coal, or this particular
MP car is in that service, but it does establish a commodity flow that could
explain such sightings. Ditto for such sightings for the Fontana works in
So. California.

Dave Nelson


Re: Mopac Hoppers reported in Fraley's Wheel Reports (was Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News)

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:

Ben Hom writes:

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"

At least one MP coal car might have made it over Sherman Hill. On
page 33 of Tom Dill's Southern Pacific's Historic Overland Route
Color Pictoral, there's a 1958 photo taken at Sacramento Shops
showing a MoPac drop-bottom gon loaded with coal.
Actually, I have a photo showing Mopac hoppers in Laramie...a few miles west
of the Hill. I believe the latest frt canductor book also shows Mopac
hoppers traveling over Sherman Hill. And, there's a video showing a UP steam
emgine switching Mopac hoppers in...I believe...North Platte...but I'd have
to check that.
According to cars reported by UP Conductor Fraley in his reports of trains between Laramie & Rawlins WY:

11/20/1947 - MP #59356 designated HM - loaded eastbound with company coal for Sidney NE.
12/5/1947 - MP #59356 designated HT - an eastbound empty.
3/14/1949 - MP #59513 designated HM - loaded westbound with coal for the Salt Lake City area.
3/20/1949 - SLBM #65228 designated HT - an eastbound empty.

A little more frequent than N&W hoppers, and definitely more frequent than PRR hoppers.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Accuracy of paint schemes...was Re: Re: Athearn Gondola News

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ben Hom writes:

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"But, what would MoPac hoppers be doing on Sherman Hill? Running in
the same train as all those N&W cars???? <rbg>"

At least one MP coal car might have made it over Sherman Hill. On
page 33 of Tom Dill's Southern Pacific's Historic Overland Route
Color Pictoral, there's a 1958 photo taken at Sacramento Shops
showing a MoPac drop-bottom gon loaded with coal.
Actually, I have a photo showing Mopac hoppers in Laramie...a few miles west of the Hill. I believe the latest frt canductor book also shows Mopac hoppers traveling over Sherman Hill. And, there's a video showing a UP steam emgine switching Mopac hoppers in...I believe...North Platte...but I'd have to check that.

Mike Brock

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