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Re: 1937 AAR BOX CAR

Mark Heiden
 

Hi Bill,

There were quite a few railroads that owned 1937 AAR boxcars. I
recommend you check out the 1937 AAR boxcar list on the Steam Era
Freight Cars website. It's at:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarmain.html

Going by sheer numbers, I'd recommend detailing and painting one for
Canadian National. They had something like 10,000 of these cars with
numerous variations in ends, roofs and lettering.

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., William Keene <wakeene@j...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I just came across a stash of unbuilt kits labeled as 1937 AAR Box
Car
by Innovative Model Works deep in my model railroad storage cabinet.
While one of the kits is lettered SP, the remainder of the stash of
8
or 10 kits are undecorated. Can anyone in the group provide
prototype
information as to which railroads owned these cars?

Thanks, in advance, for any info.
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


1937 AAR BOX CAR

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

I just came across a stash of unbuilt kits labeled as 1937 AAR Box Car by Innovative Model Works deep in my model railroad storage cabinet. While one of the kits is lettered SP, the remainder of the stash of 8 or 10 kits are undecorated. Can anyone in the group provide prototype information as to which railroads owned these cars?

Thanks, in advance, for any info.
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Aufderheide wrote:

Tim,

Thanks for the information. I haven't done it, but it
will be interesting to see if the Monon boxcar
percentage in this log matched the national despite
being on the home road.
Mike,

The ICC did not include the MONON in its Operating Stats of Large Steam RR's so I cannot tell you what the percentage of home road cars to total cars on line was for that line. I cannot even tell you what the Daily Average of Total Cars on the MONON was in any year.

On December 31, 1947, the MONON reported to the ICC that they owned 989 boxcars, 72 flats and 1,161 hoppers & gons for a total of 2,222 freight cars. I have no idea of what percentage those 2,222 cars were of the Daily Average of Total Freight Cars on the MONON, but I suspect that the number of total cars on the MONON was in excess of 2,500.

I have no idea of what how many boxcars, both home and foreign-owned, flats, hoppers & gons, stock cars, reefers tank cars, etc. were part of the daily average of total cars on the MONON in 1947 or 1948 (or for any other year). I suspect, however, that in 1947-48, the MONON owned less boxcars than were total home and foreign boxcars on the MONON - this is pretty much my gut feel based upon observation of other roads as they correlate with what traffic I think the MONON had.

Given this, how many boxcars were there that you could use to get the January 1, 1948 19.6% national average of home road boxcars to estimate the number of MONON boxcars at home?


The log covers the middle division between Lafayette
and Bloomington. The first entry is from 8/21/48 and
the last I have input is 12/9/48. About a third of
the trains are locals, a third through-freights and a
third extras (likely through as well) This covers
about 23 trains and 690 cars. I have about half of
what I copied at the Monon Society put into excel.
Much of what remains are coal trains on the Midland
branch. If this is useful to anyone, I'd be happy to
post it.
I don't think the STMFC's Files has room for your EXCEL spreadsheet. I, for one, would be interested in seeing it.

No doubt if I get it that I will cross reference with a contemporary ORER, classify car types, and regionalize the ownership, separate loads vs. empties, and north vs. southbounds for each car reported. Those would be the least massaging I would do. And then I would aggregate so that I can summarize and analyze the data. This is more or less what I have done with UP, SOU and T&NO Wheel Reports I have parsed.

Take Care, Tim Gilbert


Pullman-Standard doors with separate tack boards

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm working on a model of a Central of New Jersey 40ft PS-1 with an
8ft door, using the Intermountain kit. The kit comes with Superior
and Youngstown doors, but the CNJ cars had Pullman-Standard doors. A
quick check of available parts shows these doors with molded on tack
boards. I haven't seen the Intermountain door, part number P40400-51.
Does anyone know if these doors have molded on or separate tack boards?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: RP CYC 12

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:16 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

A friend in Connecticut received their copy last week. I am in Northern
Virginia, and mine has not come yet.
Bill, maybe there's a problem getting Yankee publications across the Mason-Dixon line. I don't have my copy yet, either, but I'm at the extreme end of the Pony Express, so it's probably in the saddlebag of some poor USPS guy urging his lathered-up horse across the northern Nevada desert (whatever happened to RPO cars?).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: injection molding tooling costs/Terry Wegman

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

So.... is it possible to get some manufacturer to produce a
model of a certain prototype by convincing him that you are tooling up
such a model yourself? In that case, I'm right in the middle of
tooling for a Milwaukee Road Rib Side caboose. Pre-oil furnace. ;>

Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@c... wrote:
Long ago and
far away an independent toolmaker had done wonderful tooling for a
PFE R-40-23 reefer but a vendor found out about it and rushed a kit
into production.... and that pretty much killed off that toolmaker's biz
from what I heard. (I may have left out few salient details.)


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Montford Switzer wrote:

Responding to Tim Gilbert:

I would make the same argument for why there so few boxcars owned by
railroads of the Great Lakes Region (NYC, WAB, ERIE, DL&W, etc.. The CIL

was part of the Central East Region.). This works only if there was an
ample supply of empty boxcars in Frankfort. If this supply was
critically low, then empty boxcars of the Great Lakes Roads and the
MONON would be hoarded. At Frankfort, the supply of empty boxcars were
augmented by cars released from the NKP's Frankfort Car Shops.
Mont responded:


I believe the NKP traffic balance was primarily westbound which would
cause the west end of the system to generate empties. Since Frankfort
was a major west end terminal for the NKP it seems that an abundant
supply of empties from all sorts of roads would be available.
Between 1946 and 1950 per the ICC's OPERATING STATISTICS OF LARGE STEAM RR's, the NKP's eastbound loaded freight car miles as a percent of total loaded car miles was 65.5% in 1946, 65.0% in 1947, 64.0% in 1948, 61.4% in 1949 and 58.2% in 1950 - these percentages reflect the effect of the W&LE which began to be consolidated with the NKP staring in 1949. The difference between east and westbound percent loaded car miles of total car miles is reflected below:

PERCENT LOADED FREIGHT CAR MILES
Year Eastbound Westbound Both Directions
1946 89.6% 49.9% 70.3%
1947 87.8% 48.0% 68.1%
1948 86.5% 51.2% 69.3%
1949 78.2% 50.7% 64.7%
1950 75.7% 56.8% 66.5%

Overall, more empties were going westbound than eastbound on through trains through Frankfort.

(Incidentally, the MONON was never considered to be a Large Steam RR by the ICC so I don't know its operating statistics unlike the NKP.)

Mont wrote:


Incidentally, MONON #1 was in Frankfort on January 10th, 1948 loaded
with drugs loaded at Bloomfield NJ and routed
ERIE-Lima-NKP-TRRA-SSW-Corsicana-T&NO-El Paso-SP-San Francisco.

Do you think #1 was an accurate summary of freight car activity or
something the RR PR departments tampered with as they saw fit. I know
the MONON did several photos Op's with #1 even if it wasn't there. They
just took a similar car and re-numbered it. We MONON modelers finally
caught on after we modeled the wrong door a few times.
No doubt the numbering of MONON #1 was a publicity stunt by John Barringer. #1's itinerary, however, as published in the ad on pages 56-57 of the September 1948 TRAINS, however, was fact. Was #1's itinerary a "typical" one for a boxcar in 1947-1948? No it was not, but it was not too far off the "typical" boxcar in 1947-48.

The "average" boxcar in the US traveled about 22,000 miles per year of which 75-80% of those miles were loaded. The "average" boxcar was loaded 25 different times a year.

In comparison, CIL #1 traveled about 27,000 miles with over 95% of those miles being loaded. CIL #1 was loaded about 33 times with 20 different commodities, and traveled in 36 different states by 41 different railroads. This is not photographic evidence, but results of tabulations from the data in the TRAINS ad.

Modelers of the MONON RR operations should not be that concerned about CIL #1 because it was on its home road only about 500 miles in the June 1947 to June 1948 period. Those miles included the initial load of merchandise from Crawfordsville to Louisville (L&N) on June 13-17, 1947, and between December 17 and December 24, 1947 when #1 carried a load of syrup which was loaded on the B&O Chicago Terminal in Chicago for a consignee served by the Indianapolis Union RR. (On December 26th, it was loaded with auto parts on the IURR for delivery on the ERIE in Bloomfield NJ.) CIL #1 only returned to the MONON in June 1948 because Management asked the B&O to return the car empty so it could be gussied up for the Chicago Rail Fair.

Mont wrote:


Also, no 1 carried just about all of the paint schemes so it got
repainted more often than most.
After CIL #1 stint at the Chicago Rail Fair, I don't know what happened to #1.

I wrote:


Coke and Coal, I assume, were carried in hoppers which had much lower
percent loaded of total car miles than boxcars (55% vs. 76%) which
greatly reduced the opportunities for reloading empties before they were

returned to the mines or ovens; thus, the percent of hoppers on home
road lines of total hoppers on the MONON was greater than for boxcars. I

assume foundry sand was bagged and loaded into boxcars as were the TV
Cabinets. Were some of these commodities terminated on other roads? If
so, I would expect the MONON lost control of the routing of these
boxcars when they were unloaded just as they lost control of CIL #1 once

it was delivered to the L&N in Louisville on June 17th, 1947.
Mont responded:

If it was Indiana coal from on line mines I would think most of it ran
in MONON hoppers. Although I don't have specifics I believe during that
period there was a law that state supported institutions had to burn
Indiana coal.
The use of the home road hoppers serving mines on the home road was the usual practice throughout the country albeit there were some exceptions.

Mont wrote:

Coke was handled in special cars. In the late 1940's they were
converted composite gons and composite boxcars. Both looked like stock
cars without roofs. Later they went to steel gondolas with open top
lift out containers.
I'm not positive, but I think the sand was shipped in bulk in boxcars.
Later covered hoppers took over.
I wrote:

What happened to boxcars carrying newsprint when they were unloaded?
Were they returned to their owners empty, or were they reloaded with
product, and routed wherever? There were no guarantees that GTW boxcars
would be returned to the GTW once the newsprint was unloaded
particularly in times when there were boxcar shortages. If the GTW
wanted newsprint cars to return, CN cars should be used - assuming that
the newsprint came from Canada.
Mont responded:

I'm not sure what happened to the GTW cars when empty in Indianapolis.
Freight to and from Indianapolis not balanced so outbound load
opportunities were not great. Probably the best bet for a load
northbound was grain and then only in season.
If no loads were available in Indianapolis, the GTW boxcars would have been returned empty towards the GTW. These boxcars could be plucked from trains on their way home, reloaded and routed to God knows where much like the NKP did with CIL #1 around Erie PA in August 1947 when #1 was loaded with tomato juice for Nashville TN.

Mont later amended his statement about GTW boxcars carrying newsprint to CN and CP newsprint cars.

Tim Gilbert


Re: 1930-1960 GBW boxcar herald color scheme

Andy Laurent <arlaurent@...>
 

Phil,

I think the photographs in my collection set the scene for a 1950s
time frame pretty clearly and show an 85/15 ratio for 'black
background heralds' to 'white-line-only heralds' on boxcars. I think
the red/white to white line herald ratio was closer to 30/70 on
hoppers and gondolas (with the KGB 400-series being all red/white),
but not boxcars.

I have never seen a color photograph of a boxcar with the
red/white/black herald, only hoppers and gondolas.

Here is the data I've collected:

White line only herald (no black background)/reweigh date:
GBW 8150 6-67
KGB 5506 10-62
KGB 5538 7-69

Black background herald:
GBW 6056 7-65
GBW 6062 1-52
GBW 6120 5-52
GBW 6144 3-62
GBW 6156 7-60
GBW 8042 9-54
GBW 8100 5-66
GBW 8102 3-60
GBW 8142 ?
GBW 8172 7-60
GBW 8176 7-65
GBW 14018 ?
GBW 15030 4-58
GBW 15056 ?
KGB 5028 ?
KGB 5514 ?
KGB 5518 10-56
KGB 5524 9-55

The GB&W lettering under the ladders on the right side of the car
was absolutely the rule on GBW and KGB wood outside braced boxcars.
I've never seen otherwise.

Andy Laurent

--- In STMFC@..., "buchwaldfam" <duff@g...> wrote:

GBW #8020 is in the collection at North Freedom. This past
summer, you really couldn't see any herald on the doors, at least
enough to tell what color the heralds were. I was hoping to
confirm
what a late paint job would have used. (It doesn't appear that the
car was repainted since it arrived at the museum.) Sounds like
black
or red would be a coin toss for a mid-'50s era model. (?) If I
used
the black herald, I'd probably want to weather the model quite a
bit.
Also, it was interesting that there are the remains of the
words "GREEN BAY AND WESTERN" to the right of the door on each
side.
This lettering extends UNDER the ladder grabs. Was this a typical
scheme on wooden GBW cars? This lettering was in addition to the
heralds and the reporting marks.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Mathu" <mark@m...> wrote:

Was that a red or black rectangle herald on the door?


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mike Aufderheide wrote:

From the 1948 Monon conductor's log I have the
following Canadian cars:

CN B 476658 XB Southbound to Limedale (PRR)
CN B 523832 XB Northbound to Laf. Jct. (NKP WAB NYC)
CN B 528176 CORN Southbound to Louisville
CN ? 464091 ? Southbound to Bloomington
CP B 246493 R WOOL Northbound to S. Hammond (Chicago)
CP ? 180528 RUBBER Northbound to Michigan City (CSSSB
PM NYC)
CP B 247203 PAPER Southbound to Bloomington
Mike,

How many of these cars above can we assume were loaded in Canada, or terminated in Canada? Plus were the two empties being routed towards Canada? With this data, we can probably assume that the paper load of CP Box #247203 came from Canada? The Northbound Rubber Load, I assume was being routed MONON-CSSB-South Bend-PM-Buffalo-NYC which would be in compliance with the "Rule" because of the PM transit through Ontario. The empties I am not concerned with because it was still possible for the cars to be reloaded for Canada.

Tim Gilbert


New Rib Side Car40' DD paint jobs

dphobbies
 

George from RSC just dropped off a bushel of new paint schemes for his
40 ' double door Milwaukee boxcar. They are kit #4223 billboard
lettering "The Milwaukee Road" and kit #4224 "Route of the Hiawathas"

Also, Jim Singer, 5th Avenue Car Shops has released a custom painted
version of the RSC double door. It is the "Route of the Hiawathas"
scheme and is available in six road numbers.

5th Avenue numbers their cars while RSC gives decals for the numbers.

Either offering is available at any good hobby shop and also here.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, Il 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976


Ed Kaminski's website

Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

List,

Does anyone know what happended to Ed Kaminski's website? He had a lot of steam era freight car photos on it. I was planning to refer someone to a colorized photo of a billboard reefer on his website, which I had bookmarked, but it has disappeared. I made N scale decals for my own use from the photo.

Gregg Mahlkov


Re: 4/6/6 Improved Youngstown doors

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Hi Andy,

Have you figured out how much you will charge for each of the door sets?

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Andy Carlson wrote:

I can't begin to number the times I have been involved
in conversations with other modelers (including many
members of this list) around more "pedestrian"
modelers where terminology such as: r+3/4 LDE ;
hutchins Dry Lading Roofs; ASF Ride Control trucks;
Universal power brake housings, etc. etc., creates
great amusment. Besides being offered some
well-meaning advice (get a life!) or worse, people
seem to understand every endeavor has its terminology.
Great prototypical advancements would be hindered if
we modelers were ignorant of what we desired.

Now, having said that, let me mention some news about
Dan Hall's latest styrene door offerings. Dan told me
that the tooling is pretty much done on three
Youngstown doors:

l) The 4/6/6 improved Youngstown door as used by many
10-0" IH boxcars built in the late 40's and beyond. Of
importance to me were the 1000's used on both SP and
Great Northern 12 panel boxcars.

2) The 5/6/5 improved Youngstown door ( a concurrent
variation of the above door. Used by SP and many other
RR's.

3) The "Overnight" interim improved Youngstown door
made famous by its use on Southern Pacific 10 panel
ACR riveted 40' boxcars used in the Overnight express
service SP had between the Bay Area and LA, CA. I
think maybe some IC boxcars used this door also, but
its use seems to be primarily SP.

Due to my impatience, and desire to have these in time
for Naperville, I am getting a large quantity of these
doors in bulk (that means no packaging for you PE's
out there), and will be offering them to everyone
there.

I have not seen these yet, but early shots were sent
to Terry Wegmann who has ruled in their favor. I will
also bring the current Superior doors Dan has for
those who have had a difficult hunt finding these for
themselves.

See many of you in Naperville!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Sunshine meet Naperville 2005

David Friedman
 

I would like to share a ride to the Holiday Inn at Naperville
from O'hare Airport on Thursday 10/27/05 arriving on American Airlines
from NYC at approx. 11:30AM. Would pay my share of course. Would also
wait for you at airport. Please contact me off list Dave at dlfriedman@
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newsprint cars on the Monon

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Tim Gilbert:



I stated the newsprint came in on GTW cars in error. The news print to
Indianapolis was on Canadian cars, CP for sure , possibly CN also.



Mont Switzer


Re: Bil Darnaby's List of 1949 Boxcar Movements from Swift's Soy Bean Processing Operation in Frankfort IN

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Responding to Tim Gilbert:

I would make the same argument for why there so few boxcars owned by
railroads of the Great Lakes Region (NYC, WAB, ERIE, DL&W, etc.. The CIL

was part of the Central East Region.). This works only if there was an
ample supply of empty boxcars in Frankfort. If this supply was
critically low, then empty boxcars of the Great Lakes Roads and the
MONON would be hoarded. At Frankfort, the supply of empty boxcars were
augmented by cars released from the NKP's Frankfort Car Shops.

I believe the NKP traffic balance was primarily westbound which would
cause the west end of the system to generate empties. Since Frankfort
was a major west end terminal for the NKP it seems that an abundant
supply of empties from all sorts of roads would be available.

Incidentally, MONON #1 was in Frankfort on January 10th, 1948 loaded
with drugs loaded at Bloomfield NJ and routed
ERIE-Lima-NKP-TRRA-SSW-Corsicana-T&NO-El Paso-SP-San Francisco.

Do you think #1 was an accurate summary of freight car activity or
something the RR PR departments tampered with as they saw fit. I know
the MONON did several photos Op's with #1 even if it wasn't there. They
just took a similar car and re-numbered it. We MONON modelers finally
caught on after we modeled the wrong door a few times.

Also, no 1 carried just about all of the paint schemes so it got
repainted more often than most.

Coke and Coal, I assume, were carried in hoppers which had much lower
percent loaded of total car miles than boxcars (55% vs. 76%) which
greatly reduced the opportunities for reloading empties before they were

returned to the mines or ovens; thus, the percent of hoppers on home
road lines of total hoppers on the MONON was greater than for boxcars. I

assume foundry sand was bagged and loaded into boxcars as were the TV
Cabinets. Were some of these commodities terminated on other roads? If
so, I would expect the MONON lost control of the routing of these
boxcars when they were unloaded just as they lost control of CIL #1 once

it was delivered to the L&N in Louisville on June 17th, 1947.

If it was Indiana coal from on line mines I would think most of it ran
in MONON hoppers. Although I don't have specifics I believe during that
period there was a law that state supported institutions had to burn
Indiana coal.

Coke was handled in special cars. In the late 1940's they were
converted composite gons and composite boxcars. Both looked like stock
cars without roofs. Later they went to steel gondolas with open top
lift out containers.

I'm not positive, but I think the sand was shipped in bulk in boxcars.
Later covered hoppers took over.

What happened to boxcars carrying newsprint when they were unloaded?
Were they returned to their owners empty, or were they reloaded with
product, and routed wherever? There were no guarantees that GTW boxcars
would be returned to the GTW once the newsprint was unloaded
particularly in times when there were boxcar shortages. If the GTW
wanted newsprint cars to return, CN cars should be used - assuming that
the newsprint came from Canada.

I'm not sure what happened to the GTW cars when empty in Indianapolis.
Freight to and from Indianapolis not balanced so outbound load
opportunities were not great. Probably the best bet for a load
northbound was grain and then only in season.

Mont Switzer


Re: Fallen Flags Website/Rutland

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jace Kahn wrote:
"Is my mind already starting to go, or has George Elwood's website
deleted views?"

I'm seeing the same thing - only three freight car photos listed.


"I had gotten the idea of converting a Rutland #4000 series woodside
gondola, using an extra 40' flat (from the CDS lettering for the same)
and was sure I had found a nice scan of one on his website several
months back."

Here's a scan from Jim Dufour's website, but it's pretty small:
http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/Gondola_4008.htm

In HO, this is an easy (and accurate!) conversion from an Athearn
flatcar - see John Nehrich's "Flatcars and Gons for the NEB&W" in the
January 1986 issue of Model Railroader.
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/NEB&W-gon-flat-no-4008-
b&w.jpg


Ben Hom


Re: Fallen Flags Website/Rutland

Jason C
 

Did you try www.rr-fallenflags.org ? I just went
there and it worked fine.

Jason

--- Justin Kahn <harumd@...> wrote:

Is my mind already starting to go, or has George
Elwood's website deleted
views? I had gotten the idea of converting a
Rutland #4000 series woodside
gondola, using an extra 40' flat (from the CDS
lettering for the same) and
was sure I had found a nice scan of one on his
website several months back.
I just went to look again (now that I am about to
start construction) and
the Rutland selection is thin, indeed: very little
rolling stock
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Re: injection molding tooling costs/Terry Wegman

Paul LaCiura <paul.jeseng@...>
 

What I have heard about Terry echoes exactly what Richard states.

The two toolmakers I have heard the most about are Wegmann and Paul
Lubliner, mainly because they are Southwest modelers (where I am from), and
they certainly have my admiration for their abilities and modeling legacy.

Wegmann and Lubliner collaborated on N&G Railway Signal Company, maker of HO
and O gauge scale operating railroad signals back in the '70's. I was going
through school at the time and was spending my dollars on books and tuition
rather than scale signals for a future layout. I lamented this later as the
signals essentially "went off of the market" when the career the books
enabled finally started paying off. So I have been searching for these
"works of art" on ebay and elsewhere for many years.

I know it has been said before, but it worth saying again, these guys are
"perfectionists" in every sense of the word. I had several long discussions
with Lubliner in the late '80's regarding how he learned how to create
tooling for such detailed applications. Most of what he had to say was
peppered with "oh, this is easy and that was simple to do, I can show you in
a few minutes how to do it" with a pantograph and his other tools of the
trade. Manufacturer's drawings, good photographs and a few supporting
dimensions from sketches were all that they needed to create these fine
models, and a lot of time and expertise mixed in. But they enjoyed every
minute, just like we should enjoy our modeling time too.

Like Richard said their thrills were in the research and development of the
tooling and construction of the model prototypes. Paul did a fine job in
photographing their finished work (I have some 2.5M images that I can
forward to those interested) and developing ads in RMC, etc. But when their
inventory and/or public interest in the products dwindled so did their
motivation to continue producing both established and new/different models.
Most know of N&G's searchlight (H-2), lower quadrant Style B and upper
quadrant semaphores, but few know about the "other" signals that were tooled
but never brought to market. Paul developed working ATSF upper quadrant
semaphores and colorlight signals, UP colorlights, etc., but never marketed
them.

Last that I heard was that Paul was not totally satisfied with many aspects
of the signal line and wanted to "retool" most of it. I wonder if he feels
the same way about his landmark F-units (which pulled many a steam era
freight car) in retrospect. From my perspective, I can't see how either
could be improved.

Paul

Paul LaCiura
San Francisco, CA
spdaylight.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] injection molding tooling costs/Terry Wegman

On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, ed_mines wrote:

If injection mold tooling is expensive to produce did Terry Wegman
loose his shirt (or a lot of time) on the PFE -21 kits?
Certainly he invested a lot of time. But Terry is apparently motivated
less by commercial considerations than by proving to himself and others
what he is capable of doing as a toolmaker. Once the tooling is
finished to his satisfaction and he has made enough test shots to
confirm the results, his interest quickly evaporates. Andy Carlson
seems able to get some product from him, perhaps because they are
personal friends, but otherwise it's like pulling teeth.

Richard Hendrickson





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ADMIN: RPCyc Issues

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Hey guys,
You know...and everyone else that's read the rules of the group...knows that issues with the US Mail, delivery of any manufacturer's product or producer's books, magazines or other stuff...unless directly related to frt cars is out of scope. Take it off line. Good grief....

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: FGE steel reefer- Not - RP Cyc 12

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I hope that drawing in PR CYC is not a steel reefer. It should be the
drawing of the wartime built plywood reefers that is the subject of the
article wherein the drawing appears

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

There's a drawing of a steel FGE reefer on the last page of the RP
Cyc.

Remember plastic models of those cars? (I think they were from AHM).

The detail was a little coarse (rivets about the same size the one's
on the Athearn 50'gon).

Ed