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Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Well, who knows where research will lead. Maybe B&O did get yet more
hoppers from Sacramento Northern. Thank you for your thoughts.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

Jim,

I hope you won't take this unfortunate misunderstanding personally.
These are great guys, and NO, they don't hoard their information. I
have
never seen so much information shared so generously.

Sometimes nobody has answered my questions. Sometimes I get more
than I
bargained for. A lot depends on the luck of the draw. Sometimes the
guys
who know just aren't checking the board that day. A lot of folks
here
post from work (when we should be doing productive things for our
employers ;-) ) and can't always remember to look things up
answers
for questions to post on the following day.

One or two of the guys here are a bit crusty, but like French
bread, it
gives them character. There is also a lot of teasing on this group.
This
I avoid so there's no misunderstanding, but many of these guys know
each
other well from years of meets, conventions, and yes, drinking
bouts.

It pays to have a thick skin, and not take anything, especially
disappointments, too seriously.

By the way, you asked for PRR diagrams. Most of them are online.
Try
http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ . It may take some digging to find, but
they are
there someplace.

If you ever need information on the Sacramento Northern, I am
available.
And also the Nelson & Albemarle, but then a railroad only 12 miles
long
that leased all its equipment is easy to become an expert on.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

jim_mischke wrote:

Without having to take said chill pill, I have now recieved a
dozen
constructive suggestions, book citations and xeroxing offers of
help
with most railroad diagrams requested. Thank you all!

My comment about " .. or is everyone here close with their source
material .. " was sharp and out of line. I apologize.

I do wonder, however, why a question about 48' Athearn gondola
ribbing can draw fifteen posts here in an afternoon while a
serious
source material question like mine goes uncommented upon by anyone
for days.

Until recently, I have seldom found decent information on the web
and
it is still all too rare. There are too many self appointed
experts
and cheap scanners filling cyberspace with folklore, falsehoods,
unvetted data, unusable images, and misinterpreted captions. My
main
thing is B&O locomotives and is a vast factual wasteland out
there.
Some good material is posted, it is just too dilute. For me, it
is
far more efficient and effective to network with the real experts,
on
line and off, and share xerox source material. I'll take personal
visitation and snail mail over the web any day.

Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W
and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy
as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.








Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

B&O used a hyphen in its freight car designations. As the Standard
Railroad of Eastern Maryland.


The google search engine can bring you a lot of material. So can a
garbage truck.








--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Apr 3, 2006, at 1:18 PM, jim_mischke wrote:
Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W
and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy
as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.
Surely you've heard of GOOGLE before now?! ;^) It is usually
right
there in your browser menu bar, but if not, try
http://www.google.com/

In case anyone thinks I'm not being fair because Jim used "X-43"
instead of the correct "X43" and therefore wouldn't have found it
anyway, I checked and GOOGLING "PRR X-43" brings up Rob's page
first
too! Talk about making sure that your web presence is
accessible!!!)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" -
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IM R40-23 ansd R40-25

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:19:27 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
The incorrect ends used on the R-40-25 were the same
end as IM used on the R-40-23.

I'm curious about this. Not on the R40-25s produced by the Amarillo Railroad
Museum. We had the correct end and roof cast specifically by IM for this
car. Which R40-25s are you speaking of?

Jerry Michels,


Re: Digest Number 3077

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:19:27 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
Not if it is done as badly as the -24...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
--- asychis@aol.com wrote:
So I guess no
one really wants an R40-26....
24? Did IM do an R40-24? I thought that was the aluminum cars. I thought
they did teh -23 and we did the -25.

Jerry Michels


Re: Painted wheelsets...

Jack Burgess
 

That siding which needs to be replaced will be replaced with milled T&G. The
roof covering won't be that authentic....it is a rubberized material; a
friend who is restoring a YV observation car used the same material on his
project. The Park service isn't doing an extremely accurate job on the
restoration and is more concerned about future maintenance (i.e., the
smokejack won't be reinstalled nor will the roofwalk in an attempt to avoid
future water leaks due to roof penetrations) and vandalism (no ladders will
be installed). I've been asked to provide a paint color and lettering and I
want those to be accurate regardless of the rest of the project. I can give
you more information on the roof off-list if you are interested....

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

Jack,

I'm curious what you intend to use for car siding and roof covering,
but perhaps you should respond off list.

Dennis


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

WRT the new Kadee hopper - We'll have a better starting point for the Sunshine alternate standard AAR offset hopper minikit, right? <G> Maybe we can get Martin to run some more of these?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Ed Hawkins
 

On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 09:26 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

<SNIP>
Actually, I think I understand Kadee's strategy. They SEEM to want to
do
cars for which they can do quite a large variety of RRs. Obviously,
the Alt
Standard is not that great. The new car will no doubt leave other
"Standard"
versions far behind in the dust. And, as the real Byron said, "If
winter
comes...so, perhaps an Alt Standard won't be far behind.
Mike and others,
The specific model Kadee will soon offer (and I might add it's a
terrific model) is "accurate" for about 16 road names within reasonable
limits of the definition of that term. Of these, a few won't be
produced by Kadee due to either licensing requirements or different
types of locking mechanisms that Kadee is currently not planning to
offer because they apply to only one railroad owning prototype cars
matching the model. This includes ATSF, which had Keystone Monoloc door
locks on their cars, and SL-SF, which used Enterprise Type D on theirs.
These prototype cars can still be accurately modeled using Kadee's
undecorated kits, applicable detail parts, paint, and decals.

As has been pointed out in the RP CYC series of articles and will be
pointed out again in a forthcoming RMJ article (don't know yet when it
will be published), there were numerous variations of the 50-Ton A.A.R
Standard hopper car, including variations of the side sills and a wide
assortment of end arrangements. Kadee's model represents only one
primary arrangement of the sides and ends. The Kadee model will offer
two door locking mechanisms (Wine and Enterprise Latch, the two types
most commonly used), the various hand brake types currently available,
and two types of defect card holders.

Now that the magazine announcements have been made public, perhaps Sam
Clarke of Kadee Quality Products will offer more information to the
STMFC as his time may permit.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Bruce Smith
 

On Apr 3, 2006, at 1:18 PM, jim_mischke wrote:
Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.
Surely you've heard of GOOGLE before now?! ;^) It is usually right there in your browser menu bar, but if not, try http://www.google.com/

In case anyone thinks I'm not being fair because Jim used "X-43" instead of the correct "X43" and therefore wouldn't have found it anyway, I checked and GOOGLING "PRR X-43" brings up Rob's page first too! Talk about making sure that your web presence is accessible!!!)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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Re: Painted wheelsets...

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

On this project (which involves the restoration of the actual
caboose using
funding from the Yosemite Fund under the direction of the National Park
Service) I keep reminding myself that we are painting and lettering a
full-size caboose rather than a model...no weathering involved! <g>
I'm sure
that the current black paint is cosmetic but I want to make sure
that the
final restored and painted caboose is correct for the prototype...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Jack,

I'm curious what you intend to use for car siding and roof covering,
but perhaps you should respond off list.

Dennis


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jim,

I hope you won't take this unfortunate misunderstanding personally. These are great guys, and NO, they don't hoard their information. I have never seen so much information shared so generously.

Sometimes nobody has answered my questions. Sometimes I get more than I bargained for. A lot depends on the luck of the draw. Sometimes the guys who know just aren't checking the board that day. A lot of folks here post from work (when we should be doing productive things for our employers ;-) ) and can't always remember to look things up answers for questions to post on the following day.

One or two of the guys here are a bit crusty, but like French bread, it gives them character. There is also a lot of teasing on this group. This I avoid so there's no misunderstanding, but many of these guys know each other well from years of meets, conventions, and yes, drinking bouts.

It pays to have a thick skin, and not take anything, especially disappointments, too seriously.

By the way, you asked for PRR diagrams. Most of them are online. Try http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ . It may take some digging to find, but they are there someplace.

If you ever need information on the Sacramento Northern, I am available. And also the Nelson & Albemarle, but then a railroad only 12 miles long that leased all its equipment is easy to become an expert on.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

jim_mischke wrote:

Without having to take said chill pill, I have now recieved a dozen constructive suggestions, book citations and xeroxing offers of help with most railroad diagrams requested. Thank you all!

My comment about " .. or is everyone here close with their source material .. " was sharp and out of line. I apologize.
I do wonder, however, why a question about 48' Athearn gondola ribbing can draw fifteen posts here in an afternoon while a serious source material question like mine goes uncommented upon by anyone for days.

Until recently, I have seldom found decent information on the web and it is still all too rare. There are too many self appointed experts and cheap scanners filling cyberspace with folklore, falsehoods, unvetted data, unusable images, and misinterpreted captions. My main thing is B&O locomotives and is a vast factual wasteland out there. Some good material is posted, it is just too dilute. For me, it is far more efficient and effective to network with the real experts, on line and off, and share xerox source material. I'll take personal visitation and snail mail over the web any day.

Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W and C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy as to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.






Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Rob Adams
 

Jim;

Perhaps it was because your request didn't stand out prominently enough...I can honestly say that I didn't even see your request until your second post, as the initial inquiry came at the end of a post about B&O cars that I glossed over because it didn't appear to have relevance to my modeling period (1938).

I am curious about one comment that you made about the AA PS-1 box cars though. You mentioned AA 1956-built PS-1 's with 6 and 8 foot doors going to the B&O. I'm presently eating lunch at the office and don't have access to my files, but my recollection is that the B&O ended up with the AA's 1956-built 300-399 series PS-1's with 6-foot doors, and some of the 1957-built 400-499 series (also with 6 foot doors), but I didn't recall the AA parting with any of their 8-foot door cars from the 1200-1399 (c.1957) or 1400-1409 (c.1959?) series. Can you provide more detail? If my recollections are accurate, the transactions took place some time after the DT&I took over the Ann Arbor in 1963 (recall that the AA had been controlled by the Wabash from 1925 to 1963 and the AA was spun off prior to the Wabash being absorbed by the N&W). There were a lot of bizarre transactions that took place after the DT&I came on to the AA property. It would be interesting to know what the thought process was for parting with a substantial number of the AA's most modern cars in such short order, while hanging on to a bunch of older stuff and then handing down some similar tired equipment to the AA. Undoubtedly some bookkeeping voodoo and just about the short-term bottom-line for the parent company.

But we are now straying outside the focus and period of this group. I'm going to climb back over the fence.

Kind regards, Rob

jim_mischke wrote:



Without having to take said chill pill, I have now recieved a dozen
constructive suggestions, book citations and xeroxing offers of help
with most railroad diagrams requested. Thank you all!

My comment about " .. or is everyone here close with their source
material .. " was sharp and out of line. I apologize.
I do wonder, however, why a question about 48' Athearn gondola
ribbing can draw fifteen posts here in an afternoon while a serious
source material question like mine goes uncommented upon by anyone
for days.

Until recently, I have seldom found decent information on the web and
it is still all too rare. There are too many self appointed experts
and cheap scanners filling cyberspace with folklore, falsehoods,
unvetted data, unusable images, and misinterpreted captions. My main
thing is B&O locomotives and is a vast factual wasteland out there. Some good material is posted, it is just too dilute. For me, it is
far more efficient and effective to network with the real experts, on
line and off, and share xerox source material. I'll take personal
visitation and snail mail over the web any day.

Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "smithbf36832" <smithbf@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:
Don't all speak up at once.
I have had no responses offering assistance from my recent
request
for diagrams, on or off list.
Are there no source material freight car diagrams for Ann Arbor,
Lake
Terminal, Maine Central, Lehigh and New England, Lehigh Valley,
CNJ,
Rock Island, B&M, B&LE, P&LE, PRR X-43 boxcars, Reading or
Virginian??
Um Jim,

First, THERE ARE NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES.
Second, "take a chill pill dude". A simple Google search of "PRR
X43"
got to Rob Schoenberg's page on these cars as the FIRST HIT. On
top
of that, we must have posted the link to Rob's pages tens of times
on
this list. ALL (STMFC relevant) PRR CAR CLASS ARE FREEELY
AVAILABLE
ON THE WEB thanks to Rob. So your attitude, seemingly demanding
that
we supply you with information that could so easily obtained by
yourself by just a tiny bit of effort, is not particularly
endearing,
nor likely to encourage folks to work with you.

Sincerely
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL (although currently ensconced in Steamboat Colorado,
which
received its 415th INCH of snow yesterday!)




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Re: Painted wheelsets...

Jack Burgess
 

On this project (which involves the restoration of the actual caboose using
funding from the Yosemite Fund under the direction of the National Park
Service) I keep reminding myself that we are painting and lettering a
full-size caboose rather than a model...no weathering involved! <g> I'm sure
that the current black paint is cosmetic but I want to make sure that the
final restored and painted caboose is correct for the prototype...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

Jack,

Can't give you a date on the prohibition on painting wheels, but
consider this; if you are modeling cars with solid bearings, it
doesn't make any difference. The only thing that sealed the back of
the traditional journal box was a wood "dust guard", and the oil that
crept out the back of the box was flung evenly across the face of the
wheel, where it quickly became covered with dust and the binder in a
layer of black crud that uniformly covered all the wheels on steam era
freight cars. Very likely one reason why no one worried about painting
wheels back in pre-roller bearing days is that no one could see the
wheels anyway because of this layer of crud.

Just for grins I pulled the Morning Sun UP Color Guide, because the UP
stock cars are one group of early roller bearing cars I thought I
could put my finger on in a hurry. All the stockcar photos, however,
date from the seventies, and have unpainted wheels, but there is a
very nice photo of a silver ore car, built in 1962, with RB trucks and
flawlessly painted silver wheels and couplers, also a photo of an
express box taken in 1959 with wheels with a nice coat of Harbor Mist
Gray. Since nothing after 1960 actually exists according to this list,
I think you can paint the wheels any color you want, but based on all
the pix of cars with solid bearings, you then have to weather them to
a uniform oily black.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

Shawn Beckert
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

The PS-2 has NOT been as big a success -- How do I know that?
Because the latest releases are not selling out nearly as fast.
Many of the box cars sold out in less than a month, even 3 or 4
years after the first ones came out. The first PS-2's sold out
quickly, but many later ones are not sold out.
Part of the problem, as has been discussed before, is that cement
hoppers tend to be fairly limited in how far they travel in interchange.
Kadee has done plenty of PS-2's in attractive (for a cement hopper)
paint schemes, but realistically a modeler can only buy the ones
for his particular railroad, give or take a few "foreign road" cars.
Otherwise there is the risk of unwanted attention from the Prototype
Police <g>.

I will buy any and all SP/SSW hoppers that Kadee cares to produce,
but that's about about all I can do as far as Class 1 roads. I will say
this, however: far be it for me to tell Sam his business, but if more
private-owner PS-2's were to hit the shelves, I think sales would be
more brisk. Private-owner hoppers could be seen just about
anywhere, with very few exceptions. Thus any modeler can have
one or more on his road with the confidence that he's running a
prototypical operation.

Shawn Beckert, ready for the next potash hopper...


Re: Painted wheelsets...

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

...I was under the impression that wheelsets were painted (most likely
the same color as the trucks) back in the steam era. Is that a correct
assumption? When did the non-paint practice start?

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Jack,

Can't give you a date on the prohibition on painting wheels, but
consider this; if you are modeling cars with solid bearings, it
doesn't make any difference. The only thing that sealed the back of
the traditional journal box was a wood "dust guard", and the oil that
crept out the back of the box was flung evenly across the face of the
wheel, where it quickly became covered with dust and the binder in a
layer of black crud that uniformly covered all the wheels on steam era
freight cars. Very likely one reason why no one worried about painting
wheels back in pre-roller bearing days is that no one could see the
wheels anyway because of this layer of crud.

Just for grins I pulled the Morning Sun UP Color Guide, because the UP
stock cars are one group of early roller bearing cars I thought I
could put my finger on in a hurry. All the stockcar photos, however,
date from the seventies, and have unpainted wheels, but there is a
very nice photo of a silver ore car, built in 1962, with RB trucks and
flawlessly painted silver wheels and couplers, also a photo of an
express box taken in 1959 with wheels with a nice coat of Harbor Mist
Gray. Since nothing after 1960 actually exists according to this list,
I think you can paint the wheels any color you want, but based on all
the pix of cars with solid bearings, you then have to weather them to
a uniform oily black.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Kadee's new offset twin hopper

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

What road names are the new Kadee offset side twin hoppers accurate
for??




--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bill,

The STANDARD twin??? :-( Who's going to pay $40 for that? Phooey.

My club has about 200 AAR standard twins -- mostly Athearn. I
don't think I could talk them into upgrading. Plus we're slowly
putting Reboxx wheels on them -- something that has to be done
to Kadee cars too.

It's the Clinchfield and C&O and NKP and ERIE and IC and NP guys
who are left out in the cold again... But I guess a few L&N fans
will be happy.

Tim


No information on Kadee's website this morning, but I noted in the
New
Product section of the latest RMC the news that Kadee's next
release
will the AAR standard two-bay offset twin hopper. Like I said
ya'll
road modelers will want many of these, unless they are modeling
the
Clinchfield.

Bill Welch


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Without having to take said chill pill, I have now recieved a dozen
constructive suggestions, book citations and xeroxing offers of help
with most railroad diagrams requested. Thank you all!

My comment about " .. or is everyone here close with their source
material .. " was sharp and out of line. I apologize.

I do wonder, however, why a question about 48' Athearn gondola
ribbing can draw fifteen posts here in an afternoon while a serious
source material question like mine goes uncommented upon by anyone
for days.

Until recently, I have seldom found decent information on the web and
it is still all too rare. There are too many self appointed experts
and cheap scanners filling cyberspace with folklore, falsehoods,
unvetted data, unusable images, and misinterpreted captions. My main
thing is B&O locomotives and is a vast factual wasteland out there.
Some good material is posted, it is just too dilute. For me, it is
far more efficient and effective to network with the real experts, on
line and off, and share xerox source material. I'll take personal
visitation and snail mail over the web any day.

Interesting that I just drove 2200 miles to look at genuine N&W and
C&O diagram books yet am critized by Mr. Smith for being so lazy as
to not clicking on some web site I never heard of.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "smithbf36832" <smithbf@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:
Don't all speak up at once.

I have had no responses offering assistance from my recent
request
for diagrams, on or off list.

Are there no source material freight car diagrams for Ann Arbor,
Lake
Terminal, Maine Central, Lehigh and New England, Lehigh Valley,
CNJ,
Rock Island, B&M, B&LE, P&LE, PRR X-43 boxcars, Reading or
Virginian??
Um Jim,

First, THERE ARE NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES.

Second, "take a chill pill dude". A simple Google search of "PRR
X43"
got to Rob Schoenberg's page on these cars as the FIRST HIT. On
top
of that, we must have posted the link to Rob's pages tens of times
on
this list. ALL (STMFC relevant) PRR CAR CLASS ARE FREEELY
AVAILABLE
ON THE WEB thanks to Rob. So your attitude, seemingly demanding
that
we supply you with information that could so easily obtained by
yourself by just a tiny bit of effort, is not particularly
endearing,
nor likely to encourage folks to work with you.

Sincerely
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL (although currently ensconced in Steamboat Colorado,
which
received its 415th INCH of snow yesterday!)


Re: Digest Number 3076

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 4/3/2006 4:39:40 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
I will buy any and all SP/SSW hoppers that Kadee cares to produce,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum has two numbers of the SP Kadee PS2 cement
hoppers that Kadee does not offer. amarillorailmuseum.com

Jerry Michels


Kadee's new hopper

asychis@...
 

would someone post a list of the railroads that had these cars?

Jerry Michels


Another PFE reefer....

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 4/3/2006 4:39:40 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
At least it ain't another PFE reefer (see comment in para 1 above before
being offended or upset)


Marty McGuirk

Shame on you Marty! I think back of the thousands of InterMountain PFE
reefers we bought and sold and are still buying and selling! :^) So I guess no
one really wants an R40-26....

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Mopac Hoppers reported in Fraley's Wheel Reports

asychis@...
 

Aha! This also probably identifies the service for a loaded MP drop-bottom
gondola I photographed westbound at Laramie in the 1970s (sorry for the out of
time span content, but it does answer a question I have had for years).

Jerry Michels

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