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ADMIN: Re: Re: Resin Casting Question within Scope?

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Gene, you write:

Would the rest of you prefer I take this off-line.
And Mike replied:
It doesn't matter what the rest prefer. The subject is closely
associated with the generation of steam era frt cars and is,
therefore, within scope for the STMFC.
OK, I'll put something together over the next few days. We're in Texas
right now and my schedule is at the mercy of our grandchildren,
particularly the 5-year old who's a total train nut. (Tomorrow it's
Thomas the Tank Engine at Grapevine.)

Tom Madden


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Larry Kline
 

Jim Mischke wrote:
Are there no source material freight car diagrams for [snip] P&LE [snip]??

P&LE freight car diagrams are included in the NYC freight car diagram book since the P&LE was a part of the NYC system in the STMFC era..

P&LE and other NYC freight car diagrams are available on Terry Links web site at:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm
(A link to this site came up third in a Google search on _nyc freight car diagrams_)

There is also a 1950 NYC freight car diagram book on George Ellwoods Fallen Flags site at:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-frt.html
(Scroll to the bottom of the page for the diagram book)

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Presentation Material Index

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Just a thought. With all the recent discussion of Gene Green's Underbody hand-out (which I found in my 2002 Naperville baby blue folder), I wonder if anyone has taken the time to create an index of who spoke on what, where? To be honest, I had forgotten about this one. Or created a list of the best hand-outs?

Steve Hile


Re: Ancient Denver NMRA Convention

Rhbale@...
 

After doing some time, the brass con artist showed up in San Diego where he
was hired by Bill Lambert owner of Brass Locomotive Company. When customer
complaints piled up, a growing stack of shipping and billing paperwork failed to
clear, and significant shortage showed up at inventory time, Lambert got
suspicious and called in the law. Investigators from San Diego's finest confiscated
about $25,000 worth of brass at the ex-cons home and held it for over a year
while the DA attended to cases involving higher dollars and bigger headlines.
Meanwhile, Lambert had to make good on customer orders while the DA sat on his
merchandise. As I recall the perp was eventually put away for the second time
-- although who knows how many similar brass scams he may have run in other
parts of the country.
Dick Bale


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

craig wilson <cwilson@...>
 

Subject: Re: Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

jim_mischke wrote:

Are there no source material freight car diagrams for Ann Arbor, Lake
Terminal, Maine Central, Lehigh and New England, Lehigh Valley, CNJ,
Rock Island, B&M, B&LE, P&LE, PRR X-43 boxcars, Reading or
Virginian??
rob adams wrote:

Now back to the AA... There are apparently some later AA diagrams
around from the period of DT&I control (post-1963), and a few appeared
in Craig Wilson's book about Ann Arbor freight cars. However a good
number of those are from reassigned ex-DT&I cars that are not relevant
to the period of this group (At least from an AA focus).
Gee Rob, thanks for the compliments...I think. Other than one chapter on
DT&I-cars given AA reporting marks and another on leased cars, the book
addresses freight cars built for the AA starting in 1947 (with the first
all-steel boxcars). I'm certain that Rob intended to indicate that some the
cars built/repainted later (and certainly the ex-DT&I cars) are outside the
scope of this list but I'm afraid his comment might give the impression that
a lot of the book is about those ex-DT&I cars.

All of the paint diagrams were drawn from photographs of specific cars so
they should be accurate for at least that car. A lot of hand-drawing was
necessary at the time since I didn't have today's computer-graphics
technology available to me (or the skills to use it).

To say that some of the cars were obscure is a monumental understatement.
Speculation about a few details was a last resort. Eventually it comes down
to "get it perfect vs. get it done." Besides, I had learned that the most
certain way to get people to share information is to put what I know out
there and let them chime in to correct any mistakes.

There are many copies of the DT&I/Ann Arbor equipment diagram books out
there. Many are photocopies of photocopies of...ad infinitum, but they
provide valuable information. I agree with Rob that any copies of diagrams
for the pre-1947 AA cars seem to be lost to history. There are stories from
when the DT&I took over the AA, of workers hauling out large piles of
paperwork, digging a pit, and burning all of it. If true, I suspect that
these older diagram books may have been part of that purge.

Craig Wilson


Re: Underframes 101

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

That last message should have read "19 MB" not "lamb" (darn spell checker!)

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: Underframes 101

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

The Freight Car Underbody Details handout by Gene Green, the lamb pdf
version has been posted at:

http://rapidshare.de/files/16945521/Freight_car_Underbody.pdf.html

This is the actual document, not the OCR scan found in the group files. You
will see the pages as Gene actually prepared them.

Thanks to Jerry Glow for the suggestion to use this site, which permits
sharing of large files.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: Underframes 101

RichBeau <RichBeau@...>
 

Doug has done a lot of work here so first of a large thanks is in order
for this effort.

As an architectural historian I've had to recreate a number of old
documents so I know the hoops he's gone through to get this document to
us.

In order to get a full rendition of the doc I wanted to recreate, I've
had to scan it once via OCR to capture as much of the text as possible.
Then arduously recreate reconstruct the text just as Doug has done.
Next I rescan the document, yes a second time, but as a picture (JPEG
and at least at 600dpi). Then laboriously create the photos as
individual JPEG files and finally into inserting them the Word doc.

--Rich Beaubien
Bolton, MA


Re: Ancient Denver NMRA Convention

eabracher@...
 

In a message dated 4/1/06 10:32:33 AM, ljack70117@adelphia.net writes:


you have no right to go after him with a weapon. 
I don't recall he said anything about threats with the weapon. As long as
it was in his brief case what crime was committed?

eric


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Ancient Denver NMRA Convention

eabracher@...
 

In a message dated 4/1/06 9:20:37 AM, danspach@macnexus.org writes:


brass collection of a guy who owned High Country Brass [ as I recall ].
I think the IRS got him as well.

eric


Re: Ancient Denver NMRA Convention

Paul Lyons
 

Denny-"the guy" is named Zimmerman. I forget his first name. He also tried to
screw me out of a brass engine the same the same way he did you. However, I
flew to Denver when he still had a shop with a 38 in my briefcase and
confronted him. Probably the craziest thing I have ever done, but I got a brass engine
of comparable value to what I had paid him. Anyway, The Denver DA never did
nail him, but the Postal authorities did for mail fraud. The best thay could
tell is he screwed people out of about 250 thousand dollars and he was sentenced
to about two years in a minumum security Federal prison. He did serve time,
but is out of prison and I have no idea what happened to him.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Underframes 101

jerryglow2
 

It would be a lot of work but possibly OCRing the text then
basically creating a new document with the pics thrown in would
result in a much smaller file.

Another alternative is to put it (large file) in a place like
http://rapidshare.de/ which allows large files. I learned about it
thru a friend who sent me some scanned articles too large to attach
to an e-mail.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <d.harding@...>
wrote:

I found my copy of Gene's handout, titled Freight Car Underbodies.
It is 33
pages of text, drawings, and photos. I scanned it at 300 dpi and
converted
it to a pdf file. It looks great, but in condensed form it is 19mb
in size.
I tried scanning at 96dpi, it is 1.8mb in size, but you can't read
the text.
I have an Epson 3170 scanner, if anyone has any suggestions I am
willing to
try again.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: B&O 50' Branchline cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Mischke wrote:
If you see one M-61 with a Morton running board, it doesn't mean they all had them. Half could have had Ajax. Sometimes this seems to be A-B testing (let's see which is best).

I think it was more commonly "spreading the wealth." Many roads continued to split orders for specialties long after any reasonable testing would have been concluded. Right after WW II, there was another factor: shortages. You had to order whatever you could get.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: B&O 50' Branchline cars

Tim O'Connor
 

"jim_mischke" wrote

If you see one M-61 with a Morton running board, it doesn't
mean they all had them. Half could have had Ajax. Sometimes
this seems to be A-B testing (let's see which is best).
That's a valid rhetorical point, but as far as I know, all of the
B&O M-61 series had MORTON rb's. The first 500 had MINER handbrakes
and the rest had UNIVERSAL handbrakes. This in spite of the first
500 being split across two ACF lots.

Tim O.


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
A simple Google search of "PRR X43"
got to Rob Schoenberg's page on these cars as the FIRST HIT. On top
of that, we must have posted the link to Rob's pages tens of times on
this list. ALL (STMFC relevant) PRR CAR CLASS ARE FREEELY AVAILABLE
ON THE WEB thanks to Rob. So your attitude, seemingly demanding that
we supply you with information that could so easily obtained by
yourself by just a tiny bit of effort, is not particularly endearing,
nor likely to encourage folks to work with you.
Well said, Bruce, but unfortunately it will have to be said many more times in the future.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Bruce Smith
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:
Don't all speak up at once.

I have had no responses offering assistance from my recent request
for diagrams, on or off list.

Are there no source material freight car diagrams for Ann Arbor,
Lake
Terminal, Maine Central, Lehigh and New England, Lehigh Valley, CNJ,
Rock Island, B&M, B&LE, P&LE, PRR X-43 boxcars, Reading or
Virginian??
Um Jim,

First, THERE ARE NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES.

Second, "take a chill pill dude". A simple Google search of "PRR X43"
got to Rob Schoenberg's page on these cars as the FIRST HIT. On top
of that, we must have posted the link to Rob's pages tens of times on
this list. ALL (STMFC relevant) PRR CAR CLASS ARE FREEELY AVAILABLE
ON THE WEB thanks to Rob. So your attitude, seemingly demanding that
we supply you with information that could so easily obtained by
yourself by just a tiny bit of effort, is not particularly endearing,
nor likely to encourage folks to work with you.

Sincerely
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL (although currently ensconced in Steamboat Colorado, which
received its 415th INCH of snow yesterday!)


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Brian Botton <bbotton@...>
 

On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 03:51 +0000, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

File : /FREIGHT CAR Underbody Detail.pdf
Uploaded by : hardingdouglas <d.harding@mchsi.com>
Description : Gene Green's Freight Car Underbody Detail

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/FREIGHT%20CAR%20Underbody%20Detail.pdf
Wow! That was fast! Thanks for doing this for us. I still
wouldn't mind a copy of the big file, but this is pretty
darn nice.

Thanks!
Brian Botton
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Seeking excerpts from obscure equipment diagram books

Brian Botton <bbotton@...>
 

On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 21:18 +0000, jim_mischke wrote:

Don't all speak up at once.

I have had no responses offering assistance from my recent request
for diagrams, on or off list.

Are there no source material freight car diagrams for Ann Arbor, Lake
Terminal, Maine Central, Lehigh and New England, Lehigh Valley, CNJ,
Rock Island, B&M, B&LE, P&LE, PRR X-43 boxcars, Reading or
Virginian??
I don't mind sharing what I have. But what I have isn't on your
list. What I do have:

Several hundred pictures that I took of old NKP, D&RGW, and
Monon AAR 50-ton flat cars (still in existence). On CD and
ready to make copies.

Pictures of the Alcoa experimental aluminum hopper that's
on display just North of Monon, IN.

CB&QRR truck diagrams book from their mechanical department.
Scanned and read to make CDs.

Van Dorn Couplers catalog. Need to scan. This really predates
our era. Late 1800s is more appropriate.

The M.C.B Coupler, by Edwin C. Washburn, 1944. Need to scan
in. This is a pretty cool booklet.

I probably have other stuff too, but can't think of it now. I'm more
than willing to make copies for people.

Brian Botton
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Underframes 101

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

Group I have added a form of Gene Green's Freight Car Underbody Detail
handout to the group files.

I re-scanned it using OCR, in to Word. I made what spelling corrections I
could, but not all the drawings were read correctly. Some of the drawing are
not complete or rendered correctly, sorry about that. And the photos are
muddy, Gene had a number of notations on the photos, which did not come
through via the OCR. I then converted the Word doc into a pdf, so everyone
can open it. It is still 1.23mb in size. But this should give everyone a
pretty good idea of the amount of work Gene went to when he did this study.
Gene created a very complex document.

I primarily use the scanner for photos and basic text documents, so I have
not done much with a document of this complex nature. Wish I could have done
better, but to get it down to a size that could be easily sent is certainly
challenging. I play with this again, in the future. Until then, enjoy.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: Underframes 101

Brian Botton <bbotton@...>
 

On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 11:47 -0500, ljack70117@adelphia.net wrote:
Mac (Apple)
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
Linux, thank you very much!

Doug, I could take one of those 19mb files off you hands, ;-).
My ISP doesn't mind big e-mail since I suck it off their server
as soon as it arrives. Assuming, of course, that your ISP doesn't
have any problems.

Thanks,
Brian Botton
Colorado Springs, CO
bbotton@adelphia.net

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