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Re: Naperville Aftermath

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

We're likely treading on the good graces of our fearsome moderator....

Having returned from Gaithersburg, I can attest that a three day (well, 2.5 days) of selling can really burn out vendors. Bob's choice is to do it from his room and that seems to work for him as he can lounge and his security is pretty good - though I do fault him for not taking that extra effort of saving his collection when the fire alarm sounded. I fully expected to see all those priceless photos in the parking lot....

The way the clinics are set up leaves precious little free time to go hobby shopping or vendor shopping as is. I don't have the former issue, living nearby, but the other issue does come into play. I liked the two day availability. I also liked the "buyer regret" aspect of that second day where, if an item were still available, you could go back the next morning and purchase that photo or other item that you had decided against the day before.

I will write a letter to Martin, after all, I don't need a reply, and there *is* a little time between if one is warranted. If for no other reason than to show some appreciation for having the show and gathering the experts as he has done in the past years. No other experience quite like it and too often such things go unremarked upon. His family's unfailing good cheer in the admin part of it should also be remarked upon.

At 10:41 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote:
I agree, a VENDOR room (no sales) and a PHOTO ROOM & LOUNGE
would be just peachy. And open Fri & Sat all day too.
Bob Webber


Re: CORRECTION: CGW "PS-Zero" Boxcar Article (was PS-1 Boxcars)

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Yup,
Good article. The CGW car is really a 10 foot IH 1937 AAR car with
the PS-Zero ends. Ted Culotta's web site has a list of 1937 cars and
this CGW series is listed there.
The RMJ article also shows similar 40 foot cars for other roads,
one shot of a SAL round roof car, as well as CGW and KCS 50 foot cars
with those ends.
The kitbash is pretty straightforward. Just remove the old ends
and graft on the new ones. I made replacement ends by sawing and
gnawing off the cast-on ladder a brake details from a set of old MDC
round roof car ends. The resin ends are a better way to go if you can
get them: it took me the better part of a saturday to get rid of all
the unwanted ladder details! Then I still had to add a rivet strip
between the top and bottom panel. But it did work.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:

I wrote:
"If Stan wrote an article on this model, it hasn't hit the streets
yet."

Belay my last! Here's the article you're looking for:

"Pullman-Standard 40 and 50-foot box cars from Red Caboose or
InterMountain kit", Railmodel Journal, March 2001, page 55.

Should know better to post before the first cup of coffee in the
morning...apologies for any confusion!


Ben Hom


Re: Naperville Aftermath

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:22 PM, dh30973 wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Golden <golden1014@y...> wrote:

I was quite surprised to see the number of
diesel (disease-el, as one of my buddies says) era
models in the display room. They're slowly taking over
the meet. Plus, most of the award winners in the model
room were disease-el era models.
John, as someone who puts on a meet, you should know that the models on
display are what are brought and you have no control over what shows
up. I don't think Martin has "limited" the display to a specific era.
While I have little interest in modern stuff in general, good modeling is still good modeling and I always appreciate seeing it in any format.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


H21 and H22 brake systems

Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
 

I'm in the process of upgrading a few Bowser H21 and H22 hoppers and
have hit a wall in finding details on the original brake system. I know
many of these cars used KD brakes until upgraded in the 1940's, but I'm
unable to find a diagram or clear image of the original component
layout. Here's where I have checked:

** STMFC archives
** Teichmoeller's "PRR Steel Open Hopper Cars" - covers the AB system
well!
** 1919 Train Shed Cyc reprints
** Robert Schoenberg's on-line PRR equipment diagrams
** H21 builders photo from Keith Retterer


I have found a decent image of the KD brake system on a PRR GLa hopper.
Would I be correct in assuming the H21 and H22 cars used a similar
layout of components?

Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: Naperville Aftermath

dh30973 <76523.1060@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Golden <golden1014@y...> wrote:

I was quite surprised to see the number of
diesel (disease-el, as one of my buddies says) era
models in the display room. They're slowly taking over
the meet. Plus, most of the award winners in the model
room were disease-el era models.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL
John, as someone who puts on a meet, you should know that the models on
display are what are brought and you have no control over what shows
up. I don't think Martin has "limited" the display to a specific era.

As for what got awards, those choices were made by his chosen "judges".

Dave Hussey


Re: new business model for Bob

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@c... wrote:

Ed, I would not presume to tell Bob how to run his business, but
I think his inventory problem is a lot more complex than you have
imagined -- I'm sure he has well over 100,000 images and often
sells over a thousand prints at a single show or meet. He could
create a web site etc etc but it would be a big investment and
might
end up driving the prices up even higher. If you've been to
Springfield,
Bob has about 20 tables and a dozen or more people working there,
and literally hundreds of binders of photos. It's a mob scene! If
he
implemented careful inventory tracking it would bog down the works.
Tim,
My suggestion is that he catalogs the prints as they made, not all
of the prints at once. Someone refills the books after each show and
must go to Bob and say "we ran out of or getting low on prints abc,
xyz etc." Bob then either orders more abcs and xyzs or orders
something else to take up the space when the abcs and xzys run out.
My suggestion is that whatever new prints are ordered get listed,
particularly the photos that Bob prints for the first time.

A list of these new photos being printed is alrady made. I doubt it
would take much or cost much for a high schooler to set up and
update a web site or have a retired person pick and ship the orders.

I expect Bob sells more than 1000 prints per show at even the
smallest shows. It wouldn't surprise me if he selld 20,000 prints at
Springfield.

The way he's buying up negatives Bob must be make a lot of money.
He earns it though. Think how long it must take to drive to
Naperville from Connecticut. He's literally away from home for a
week.

When I spoke to Bob on the phone he told me he doesn't go to sme
shows (like the ones near where I live)due to marginal sales at
previous shows. Bad weather has caused some disappointing trps for
him too.

Ed


Re: new business model for Bob

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:

Yeah, but maybe you missed some of the ones that you wanted most
because someone else got to him before you did.
I spoke with Bob about how he determines what to print. He told me he
always invests a majority of his inventory money in making prints for the
latest stuff he bought while for replenishment of old stock he simply grabs
about 100 negatives **at random** from whatever has no prints left and does
new prints of those. He said he understands that means some things might
not get picked for a long time before reprinting but given the large number
of negatives that he owns he'd go nuts trying to put any logic into the
selection process.

Dave Nelson


Re: Naperville Aftermath

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Bob Webber wrote:

At *most* hotels and meetings, the meeting rooms are free based on a
guaranteed number of hotel rooms used. That isn't always the case,
but it is one reason most conventions are really pushing you to use
"their" room rate at the convention hotel. I'm not sure if this is
the way this particular meet is run.
Pretty much the case. Martin said the turnout was large enough this year to
qualify next year's meet for extra space.... IIRC both ballrooms, which
would double the space available for the vendor sales area. Whether it
comes to that or not will have to wait until next year.

Dave Nelson


Re: new business model for Bob

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@c... wrote:

Dennis, if Bob's entire McCoid and other collections were available
with
a simple mouse click, I'd go broke in no time at all... It's better
that I only
see him 3 or 4 times a year and am limited to how much I can carry
away
with me! (And also since I can never remember what I've already
bought,
I tend to err on the side of fewer photos.)
Yeah, but maybe you missed some of the ones that you wanted most
because someone else got to him before you did. And maybe you'd like
to cut 3 or 4 times a year down. I've heard Bob wants to cut down on
traveling.

Ed


Re: Naperville Aftermath

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob, of course Martin will listen to suggestions. But you'll have to
write him a letter, because they don't use email! :-) (At least they
are wise enough not to reveal their email address to most of us.)

I agree, a VENDOR room (no sales) and a PHOTO ROOM & LOUNGE
would be just peachy. And open Fri & Sat all day too.

Tim O.


Bob Webber wrote

I wonder if Martin would be open to suggestions or constructive
criticisms?


Re: Rivet size- Byron Rose's Technique

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy, Byron's method makes perfect sense for HO, since the
"radius" of a 1" rivet is imperceptible without magnifying glasses.
In Tom Madden's clinic on SLA "rapid prototyping" he described
how his rivets are actually little .002 lego blocks stacked on top
of each other -- 3 or 4 to a rivet. When I stood and looked at his
Pullman castings (even wearing my glasses) I could just barely
see the rivets themselves, much less observe that they're not
truly convex.

Tim O'Connor


Andy Carlson wrote

This talk of oversize rivets requiring drilling holes
reminds me of a technique that Byron Rose (remember
the RPA?) uses. He simply drills a #79 hole where a
rivet is desired, than inserts from the back side a
length of Grandt Line 0.010" "styrene" rod...


Re: Naperville Aftermath

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

I would think that would cut into Bob's overhead and also be a security concern (for Bob). There are obvious ways to correct both issues, but this *is* Martin's show, so I'm not sure that there would be corrections forthcoming.

Branchline also had a display in the room with Reboxx. I'm constantly amazed that nothing is removed at such things - I keep remembering the NG conventions where there has to be constant vigilance lest a contest model be removed. Says a lot for the attendees.

At *most* hotels and meetings, the meeting rooms are free based on a guaranteed number of hotel rooms used. That isn't always the case, but it is one reason most conventions are really pushing you to use "their" room rate at the convention hotel. I'm not sure if this is the way this particular meet is run. Nor would I ask, as this is Martin's business. But, I think a large part of the benefit of this year's layout went unused - two rooms that were set up as lounges where people could sit and talk without the lobby issues. And yet they went,. for the most part, unused. I think the Reboxx & Branchline room was meant as a manufacturer display room - that could also have been highlighted more and exploited more. I certainly think more manufacturers would use it if apprised of it - an audience such as this can be quite useful, it's a nice focus group.

I wonder if Martin would be open to suggestions or constructive criticisms? I don't know if the changes he made this year were made as a result of suggestions from years past or not. It may well be so. He might welcome such. I think it obvious that this is a highlight of his business, and it certainly bring in more people to prototype modeling and steam era modeling. That isn't just a throw in for the list, but the display room certainly does provide inspiration and the models available and the clinics certainly provide information to model same. I can't help thinking that it is a business generator.

At 09:22 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote:
Lastly, I missed Bob's Photo room. Sort of out of sight out of mind
and so much going on. He and the other photo dealers are such an
integral part of this meet, what about putting them in a couple of the
smaller main floor rooms for the duration of the meet so we will have
plenty of time to peruse. I noticed the rooms sat empty for most if
not all of the meet.

Bill McCoy
Jax
Bob Webber


Re: Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve missed the Accurail reefer (BREX/etc), the Terry Wegmann reefers (PFE),
and Overland brass SFRD reefers (several 50 foot cars) as well. And of course
bunches of resin reefers that would have appeared often on the Santa Fe.

Tim O.

Steve,
I just perused the referenced refer portion of your great site again
when you reminded me of it. You might want to add the Tichy reefer to
your list of prototype models. Yeah, I know, Its PFE not SFRD. But ice
is ice ;-)


Re: Refrigerator Cars

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Steve,

I just perused the referenced refer portion of your great site again
when you reminded me of it. You might want to add the Tichy reefer to
your list of prototype models. Yeah, I know, Its PFE not SFRD. But ice
is ice ;-)

regards,

Andy Miller

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Refrigerator Cars

http://users2.ev1.net/~jssand/SFHMS/Sand/SFRD/Index.htm
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [STMFC] Refrigerator Cars


Can someone point me in the direction of an online reference to
refrigerator
cars and also information as to what regions they'd be likely to have
been
seen? Is there a Yahoo e-mail group dedicated to just this subject
yet?

Thank you.

Be well,

Chad C. Rogers
Jefferson City, Tenn.

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Naperville Aftermath

Bill McCoy <bugsy451@...>
 

This was my second meet and I had a great time and as always learned a
lot. I concur that the small rooms opening on Friday night as they did
in 2004 made for a nicer vendor venue.

One question... At the beginning of the meet the Reboxx folks had a
display in one of the small rooms across from room "B" I believe. I
never saw anyone there and didn't see them Saturday. Did I just miss
them?

Lastly, I missed Bob's Photo room. Sort of out of sight out of mind
and so much going on. He and the other photo dealers are such an
integral part of this meet, what about putting them in a couple of the
smaller main floor rooms for the duration of the meet so we will have
plenty of time to peruse. I noticed the rooms sat empty for most if
not all of the meet.

Bill McCoy
Jax


Re: Rivet size- Byron Rose's Technique

Andy Carlson
 

This talk of oversize rivets requiring drilling holes
reminds me of a technique that Byron Rose (remember
the RPA?) uses. He simply drills a #79 hole where a
rivet is desired, than inserts from the back side a
length of Grandt Line 0.010" "styrene" rod, then
glueing from the inside, followed by carefully
trimming the length from the outside so they protrude
about .015". Then he places a small amout of MEK (or
Tenax) on the top of the rod, the solvent rounding off
the styrene rod to approximate a rounded rivet. Looks
real good to me.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Refrigerator Cars

Steve Sandifer <jssand@...>
 

http://users2.ev1.net/~jssand/SFHMS/Sand/SFRD/Index.htm
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mailto:steve.sandifer@swcentral.org
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Chad Rogers
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Refrigerator Cars


Can someone point me in the direction of an online reference to refrigerator
cars and also information as to what regions they'd be likely to have been
seen? Is there a Yahoo e-mail group dedicated to just this subject yet?

Thank you.

Be well,

Chad C. Rogers
Jefferson City, Tenn.

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Re: Rivet size

soolinehistory <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@a... wrote:

Peter,
Don't have your answer but, I've used Tichy rivets quite often.
They are
available in .025, .030, .035 and I think .020. Even used the .020 as
"carriage bolts" on a Sn3 flat car deck recently, all 300 plus of them.
Chuck Hladik
You S scale guys have all the luck. As far as HO is concerned, I
personally don't see any use for the Tichy rivets except for bridges.
The .025 rivets would scale out to 2 3/16" in diameter, while a 020"
rivet, if he makes one, would be 1 3/4". Most rivets on freight cars
have heads smaller than 1" in diameter.

For comparison, the rivets on the old Rivarossi Pullman cars were
.016" in diameter, and I think most would say they were bordering on
the "grapefruit" appearance... maybe more like a nectarine :-). On the
Accurail kits I've designed, I usually specify a .011" hemisphere not
quite half its diameter high, so the resulting rivet is about .010" in
diameter, or a scale 7/8, and some manufacturers have gone smaller
than that.

There are smaller brass rivets available for military modelers, but
they're not cheap; about a buck a dozen. Smallest I've found in this
country is .016 heads on .012 shanks. These mount in a hole drilled
with a #80 drill. These were a good match for the above mentioned
Rivarossi cars, now no longer considered state of the art. I've found
a source in Germany that has brass rivets with 0.3mm heads on 0.2mm
shanks; that's .012" heads on .008 shanks, but that means you need to
deal with a #90 drill or thereabouts. They will fall straight through
a hole drilled with a #80 drill. You don't want to ask the price :-(

Dennis Storzek


Refrigerator Cars

Chad Rogers <sourybuff@...>
 

Can someone point me in the direction of an online reference to refrigerator cars and also information as to what regions they'd be likely to have been seen? Is there a Yahoo e-mail group dedicated to just this subject yet?

Thank you.

Be well,

Chad C. Rogers
Jefferson City, Tenn.

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Re: Railshops Models

Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
 

Dave Hussey wrote:

Railshops, is a brand new venture from Chris Zygmont.
<snip>

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Thank you for the details, David. And thanks for posting all the great
images from the meet.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.

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