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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks
Schuyler Larrabee
Perhaps there's hope for "equalized" freight car trucks.HO, Pat, and my club's got VERY good track work, laid almost exclusively by one man who's got Very High Standards. But even on very good trackwork there are occasional joints that don't PERFECTLY match, and switchwork with high numbers, where equalization does help, and id visible. Mostly, the trucks that do have the equalization are the Dan Kilgore trucks, which have pretty wimpy springs. I don't have trackwork of my own (except for the small amount I've laid at the Club). I do believe there's a market, small, maybe, for a line of Really Superb Scale Trucks. Springs with appropriate visual density, low spring rates, all the parts (brakeshoes, etc) and that if these were available at a not-too-stratospheric price, changing out trucks would be as common as it used to be to toss the x2f's as far as one could, and replace with Kadees. SGL
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Re: Scale Coupler boxes
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
Pat Wider writes-
Denny - you missed the point of all of the bandwidth - the material doesn't matter as long The fact of the matter is most of the HO plastic rip-offs are junk and don't look like theHmm-m. Wow! Have we been reading the same material? I am unaware that we are disagreeing on about anything. I will give you high marks for thinking about depleted uranium, however. Now there would a truck or coupler material that would completely eliminate any of the usual needs to add car weights. As to sending in late for RPC 12 and backdating the check, I want to reassure you that my check in the mail is not backdated, and I gladly paid you full price for another quality product :-) . Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, California
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Re: Freight car types
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Polling or poling?
If you know what a poling car is, then you know what them there poling pockets are for. Gene Green --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@c...> wrote: good question that'll stump most everybody.<snip> YM Polling Car
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Re: Freight car types
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
In light of the information available at
http://www.nakina.net/aartype.html my offer is withdrawn. Gene Green --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "bierglaeser" <bierglaeser@y...> wrote: was an RSM. GMA and GK gondolas used to be separate mechanicalwould scan it.......<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:
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Re: Freight car types
Schuyler Larrabee
That's correct. Manifold variations on "Freight car types" didn't do the trick. Thanks.
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Re: Freight car types
bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
I have a number of ORERs between 1923 and 1960 (actually as late as
1994 but I can't say that here) and would be happy to scan and send the list of freight and/or passenger car M.C.B. mechanical designations. It should be pointed out that the definitions of some designations changed over time and sometimes the designation changed but the definition remained the same. RM in 1936 was a reefer with meat rails. In 1952 the same reefer was an RSM. GMA and GK gondolas used to be separate mechanical designations but are now lumped together with GB gondolas. Requests should specifiy a year or range of years. Gene Green --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote: scan it....... <schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote: somewhere on-line of the various car typedesignations, and their meanings?
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Re: Freight car types
Schuyler Larrabee
Thanks, Michael.
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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks
Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
At the risk of going slightly off subject, D&G makes HO-scale passenger car trucks such
that their springs actually compress and the trucks actually equalize. And in case there's still any lingering doubt due to my screw-up: THE COMPANY IS STILL IN BUSINESS!!!!! Perhaps there's hope for "equalized" freight car trucks. Schuyler, you say you can actually see your trucks equalize as they go down the track? That doesn't say much for your trackwork. What scale are you in? Pat Wider --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote: them equalizing as the train moves along) but I agree about the lacy character of the springsthemselves. It seems to me that a Really Good Materials Guy (Hey, Tony??) should be able to come upwith some form of plastic that could be molded or extruded or something into springs withappropriate dimensional characteristics, and low enough spring rate, so as to make the trucksactually compress. Now, they'd have to compress at a rate so that a properly weighted car would do thetrick, so we'd have to be faithful to the NMRA weighting rules.
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Re: Freight car types
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
This should be fairly accurate for the early 50's. The last one is a good
question that'll stump most everybody. Dave Nelson -------------- BH Stock, horse express BLF Flat, containers, express BR Reefer, express BX Box, express FB Flat, barrel rack FC Flat, TOFC service FD Flat, depressed center FG Flat, gun carridge FL Flat, logging FM Flat, merchandise FMS Flat, merchandise, w/ part rack FW Flat, well FWS Flat, well, w/ part racks GA Gondola, cross bottom drop GAS Gondola, cross bottom drop GB Gondola, solid floor; Mill trade GBC Gondola, solid floor; coke GBS Gondola, solid floor; w/ par GD Gondola, side door dump GE Gondola, cross dump GH Gondola, outside dump GHS Gondola, outside dump, w/ part GRA Gondola, outside dump GS Gondola, center sill outside dump GSC Gondola, coke GSR Gondola, Covered GT Gondola, coal dumping equipment GTC Gondola, coal dumping equipment HD Hopper, ballast dump - outside HDR Hopper, ballast dump - outside HE Hopper, not self clearing HF Hopper, ballast dump in/out HFA Hopper, divided HFB Hopper, divided HK Hopper, ballast dump HM Hopper, self clearing HMA Hopper, self clearing HMC Hopper, self clearing, coke HMR Hopper, self clearing, w/roof HT Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors HTC Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors, HTR Hopper, w/roof LC Box, muliple doors LF Flat, containers LG Gondola, containers LO Covered hopper LP Pulpwood LRC Reefer, dry ice LTA Tank, granular MH MW Misc MOW MWB Ballast , drop MWD Ballast, dump MWE Ballast spreader MWF Flat, ties or rail MWT Tool MWW Wrecking crane NE Caboose RA Reefer, brine tank RAM Reefer, brine tank / meat RB Reefer, beverage RBH RCD Reefer, dry Ice RF Express Reefer RP Reefer, mechanical RS Reefer, standard RSM Reefer, meat SC Stock, convertable deck(s) SD Stock, dump floor SF Stock, fixed double deck SH Stock, horse SM Stock, single deck SP Stock, poultry TA Tank, acid TAI Tank, acid, insulated TGI Tank, glass, insulated TL Tank, lined TLI Tank, lined, insulated TM Tank TMI Tank, insulated TMU Tank TPI Tank, pressurized, insulated TR Tank, rubber lined? TRI Tank, rubber lined?, insulated TW Tank, wooden VA Ventilator VM Ventilator, insulated VS Ventilator, insulated XA Box, autos XAL Box, ?? XAP Box, auto parts; No merchandise XAR Box, autos; No merchandise XF Box, furnature XI Box, Insulated XM Box, merchandise XME Box, damage restraints XMI Box, ?? XML Box, loader; usually auto part XMP Box, dedicated service XMR Box, autos & merchandise XT Box, tank YM Polling Car
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Re: Freight car types
Michael Mang <mnmang@...>
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Re: Freight car types
Schuyler Larrabee
Oh, DUH! I know that, but forgot about it.
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Thanks for the dope-slap. SGL
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Re: Sergent Couplers
Schuyler Larrabee
Tom Olsen wrote
There is a wall involved, China isn't it, and I don't think JP was going to Timonium, though I might be wrong on that. Ralph would know, I think he may not want to discuss his brother's business. I think that the coupler will eventually be done, but there are other situations that have to be resolved before it will happen. I know that if./when it does happen, I will be converting everything where I can the coupler box cover off. In the meantime, I have little use for Sergent, Accumates, or any other of the knockoffs of Kadees. I prefer the 58s and 78s. SGL
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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks
Schuyler Larrabee
On
Behalf Of Thomas M. OlsenHold on there . . .not all of us agree on that point. I like the sprung trucks (and I DO see them equalizing as the train moves along) but I agree about the lacy character of the springs themselves. It seems to me that a Really Good Materials Guy (Hey, Tony??) should be able to come up with some form of plastic that could be molded or extruded or something into springs with appropriate dimensional characteristics, and low enough spring rate, so as to make the trucks actually compress. Now, they'd have to compress at a rate so that a properly weighted car would do the trick, so we'd have to be faithful to the NMRA weighting rules. let us ask them to modify their truck bolsters so that we can addI do agree with this. SGL
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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks
Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
Guyz,
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You've made my day. Was beginning to think I was one of the last who remembered bent metal tabs & slots for couplers. What a lot of modelers would find useful are some leaf spring replacements for Kadee trucks. The last ones I have came in a Silver Streak box. Another item is to put a black blank panel behind the truck springs, this eliminates the daylight issue with the coil springs. IIRC, the first sprung trucks purchased came in a Binkley kit. Fred Freitas
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From: Patrick Wider To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "S. Busch" <SCSBusch@W...> wrote: > > When I cut my teeth in model railroading, American Flyer had chrome plated > journal boxes on sheet steel sideframe trucks. My first experience was with nickel-plated rails - three of them with 27" diameter curves. The first time I ever saw > real looking truck they were HO sprung Varneys or Athearns or something. Me too! > I have never quite recovered, and still prefer real springs. I'd prefer real prototype springs but I don't think they'd fit plus they'd collapse my benchwork. (-:} Pat Wider SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Freight car types
Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone would scan it.......
Pat Wider --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote: various car type designations, and their meanings?
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Re: RP Cyc 12
Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
I don't know. Perhaps a real (i.e., prototype) railroader can answer. My guess is it was
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done right there, at the track scale/weigh house/car shop. Pat Wider
Wonderful! I don't think I've ever been happier to be wrong.
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Freight car types
Schuyler Larrabee
I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing somewhere on-line of the various car type
designations, and their meanings? Like XM RB RBL HW Etc., etc. I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery. TIA. SGL
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Re: RP Cyc 12
John Boren <mccjbcmd@...>
RP CYC Vol. 13 is virtually finished as I speak (I mean type). We'll probablyWonderful! I don't think I've ever been happier to be wrong. To get on-topic, if the empty weight was off by over 300 pounds, did the car get sent to the RIP track for restenciling or was it done wherever the car was sitting? John Boren PS- I worked at the USPO when I was in school, and I don't think it's ever gotten to normal. <G>
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Re: Freight car types
Brian Termunde
In a message dated 10/7/2005 9:09:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net writes: This is good stuff It is indeed Dave. Thanks for posting it! Take Care! Brian R. Termunde West Jordan, Utah "Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!" Grand Canyon Railway Utah District
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Re: RP CYC 12
Brian Termunde
In a message dated 10/7/2005 8:51:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
no17@comcast.net writes: Spoken from the UP management booklet on how to treat loyal customers. Screw 'em, life's tough then you die. Well put. It will be a lesson I remember as I deal with it from here on out. ROTFLMAO!!! Good retort. BTW...when I saw that this issue had an article on scale tracks, I was already to see about getting an issue, especially since I find these to be of great interest to me, but after the terse comments from Ye Old Editor, I have decided against said purchase and instead will divert my funds towards addition Steam Era Freight Cars. Brian R. Termunde West Jordan, Utah "Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!" Grand Canyon Railway Utah District
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