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oklacnw@...
 

I've lived in Florida and California, and I'll take the New England weather any time over Floridas' hurricanes and Californias' earthquakes. Now, if I could just find a good reason to leave tornado land! :-)

Al

Al Erdmann, CNWHS 134CF, NMRA L04150, McCor L088


Re: The Springfield Show

Tim O'Connor
 

Armand Premo wrote

The seminars are super with presentations by some of the best
modelers in the country ...
I don't need to point this out to most of you, but not ALL of the
best modelers in the country are into the "RPM scene". There are many
fabulous models on display at Springfield (as there are at regional
shows and meets all over the country). One of my favorite displays
at Springfield is the Pfaudler tables, where superb, scratchbuilt
models of milk trains are on display. And way back in 1989 before
I even knew my A end from a B end, I was awestruck by a Prototype
Modelers' display led by Steve Solombrino, a great modeler who to
my knowledge has never attended a single RPM meet. RPM meets only
attract 1% or less of model railroaders -- you can be sure you are
missing out on a lot of great modeling if that's all you do.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Cocoa Beach-Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 

anThONY wrote

As for Naperville vs. Cocoa vs. Springfield, I've been voting
with my feet for some years and expect to continue to do so.
Hmmmm... stuck in a rut, Tony? Maybe you need a change of scene. :-)

Tim "stuck in a canyon" O'Connor


Re: Cocoa Beach-Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 

Given that, comparing events like Springfield to that at Cocoa Beach is
like comparing the west coast to the east coast. Both have coast lines.
Mike Brock

You're missing the point, Mike. The question is where to spend time and
money, and for what purpose? Just because Cocoa Beach is RPM doesn't mean
it doesn't have to compete with "train shows", Red Sox season tickets,
car payments, and other necessities of life. My argument is that you can
hardly swing a dead cat without hitting an RPM meet anymore, but there
is only one Springfield. :-)

Tim O'Connor, RPM, RPA, BAMF, CORSN


Re: Milwaukee Road double door 40' RibSide boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted Schnepf wrote

I found the metal running board discussion interesting. This morning I
pulled out my Milwaukee car diagram book from the 1950's and it indicates
as build these cars had wood running boards. The metal boards must have be
applied as a latter repair.
Ted,

I think that the following cars were built with steel running boards,
as required after 1944:

series 21188-22187 blt 1944
series 22188-23187 blt 1945
series 23188-24937 blt 1946-1947
series 24938-25537 blt 1948
series 25538-28559 blt 1948-1949

Of the above, I think 21188-22187 match the Ribside kit.


Re: The Springfield Show

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Yes... 64-degrees F in Pasadena is a bit cold, but I think there are
many that would be looking for that temperature today as the local temp
is nearing 100. Clear, clean (by LA standards), and perfect top down
weather! There is a reason we chose to live in southern California...
lack of snow (in town... as the palm trees are often contrasted with
the white stuff on the near mountains (another relative term) during
the winter months. Yes, we have snow. We just are not forced to drive
in it if we wish to not do so.

-- Bill K.


On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:48 AM, drgwm64 wrote:

Somehow I missed this in the digest version.... 

I have been to it, 3 times.  It depends on what you are looking for. 
Bob L. has his full inventory at Springfield, he does not at Cocoa
Beach or Naperville.  That said, if you call him before hand, and if
he
remembers (a dicey possibility after his skull fracture, but he *is*
getting better), he will bring what you ask.  However, it should be
also said that I ended up finding Rio Grande photos in binders having
nothing to do with Rio Grande.  

I will also mention that weather can play tricks on you - I went to a
Sn3 Symposium in Pasadena in February and it was 10 degrees warmer
when
I left O'Hare than it was for the next two days in Pasadena (it was 74
in Chicago). 

But... it all boils down to what you want to look for.  If you are
looking for photos, resin kits (although mostly eastern kits), a show
that rivals the shows at NMRA conventions with a whole lot more people
attending, then it is a good show to go to - at least once.  Go with
friends and have a ball with the famous Sprinfield night life... On
the
other hand, if you are looking for ATSF or SP freight car diagrams, or
other such things, I would wait until Naperville or CB for the photos
and kits and then go to the Du Page, Gaithersburg and St. Charles
shows
for the paper. 

The good thing for you is that from beautiful downtown Burbank, you
can
get relatively cheap flights to Midway and to BWI and Dulles (FLYI to
Dulles).

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:


> Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
> me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.
>
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Re: Milwaukee Road double door 40' Ribside boxcars

Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

I see I also needed to look at the next page in the diagram book. Series 6500 to 6599 built in the war year of 1942 had wood running boards. Series 6600 to 7099 were built with steel running boards. The diagram is silent as to the type of steel running board.

Ted

Hello,

I found the metal running board discussion interesting. This morning I pulled out my Milwaukee car diagram book from the 1950's and it indicates as build these cars had wood running boards. The metal boards must have be applied as a latter repair.

Ted

At 01:37 PM 8/24/2005, you wrote:

On Aug 24, 2005, at 10:31 AM, william darnaby wrote:

Any of you guys know what type of metal running board these cars had
when so
equipped? FWIW, the brake step appears to have holes in it similar to
Morton but I don't trust it to guide me.
Bill, I have three photos of these cars with steel running boards in
which the running boards are visible, and in all cases they appear to
be Apex.

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Re: Winter (was Bob's photos)

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Jeff,

Think we can gather enough support to enter Tony in the Iditarod this season?? Just a thought.
He could scope out the abandoned rail cars that are reported to be at the bottom of some very high mountains. Old, truss rod & USRA types!!!

Fred Freitas

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Winter (was Bob's photos)


--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:
the disadvantages of spending the rest of the winter there,Cocoa
> Beach wins in a heartbeat

That's my point, Armand; I'm very tired of the de facto assumption that
winter is "bad" and to be avoided. The more this attitude is put
forth, the more vehemently I will resist. Viva la Northeast!

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Re: The Springfield Show

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Armand,

Two corrections - attendance is over 10,000 per day; the show is held in
three buildings now. Besides being a mecca for out-of-town modelers, the
Show is also THE EVENT for the locals and their kids to attend that
weekend. For the serious, its best to arrive before the local mob
arrives - about 11 on Saturday and noon after church on Sunday. Also,
leave well before the Show closes each day before the traffic jams up
exiting through one gate.

Tim Gilbert

armand wrote:

Shawn.One should not try to compare a Prototype Modeler's Meet.The
Springfield Show is without question a great experience.You should plan to
attend two days.The crowds are so large that at times it is difficult
to get
near a dealer's booth.Three or four deep at times.There is something for
everyone.All scales are present.Upwards to two thousand people attend the
two day event.The show is housed in two(at last count)buildings.
A Prototype Modeler's meet has a more narrow focus.The seminars are super
with presentations by some of the best modelers in the country.A real
learning experience.There is an opportunity to ask questions and exchange
ideas.You are bound to meet someone who shares something in common. The
emphasis is on prototype modeling with fewer vendors present.You will
have
a choice to attend several presentations as well as seeing displays of
excellent modeling.
It is your choice.It all depends what you are looking for or expect
gain.Hope this helps.Armand Premo
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] The Springfield Show


Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...




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Re: The Springfield Show

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Tim,

You didn't let them loose at the mexican cantina on Rt. 5 did you?

Fred Freitas

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Springfield Show



>> More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
>> "the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
>> the attraction


Resin vendors: F&C, Sylvan, even Al Westerfield came once...
and specialty resin producers like West Shore, etc

Brass importers: Overland, Coach Yard, River Raisin, Key, MTS,
Railworks, Rail Classics... and brass dealers large and small

Manufacturers: Athearn, Atlas, MDC (pathetic display last year
across from the Athearn mega-display. Hmmmm...), Intermountain,
Branchline, AMB, Tichy, Stewart, City Classics, many specialty
vendors of structures, scenery, bunches of S and O scale vendors
plus Chooch (including Ultra Scale!), all major DCC vendors

Photo & Paper dealers: Many, including Bob's entire collection
(you can easily spend the whole show at Bob's if only the money
would hold out)

Layouts: dozens, literally, including the Amherst Society which
is about 100 modules including a giant, highly detailed hump yard
and modern passenger terminal. And an unbelievable O scale double
track loop with 100+ car trains of mostly O scale brass -- it has
to be seen! How often do you see an O scale GN 2-6-8-0 or a sextet
of beautifully weathered O scale hi tech diesels pulling huge
strings of equally fine freight cars?

Clubs & Societies: many

And 20,000 paying visitors, typically. Even in snowstorms! You'll
meet and talk with dozens of people you know from this list, from
Naperville, from all over the country... It's a gas. Honestly. I
enjoy Cocoa Beach, but it's really a scaled down Naperville, while
Springfield is like nothing else except maybe the NMRA convention
but without the politics.

And the NIGHT LIFE! Well, Al Welch and John Riddell can tell you
all about that. Hoo-ah!

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Re: Winter (was Bob's photos)

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

englishintroy wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:
the disadvantages of spending the rest of the winter there,Cocoa
Beach wins in a heartbeat
That's my point, Armand; I'm very tired of the de facto assumption that
winter is "bad" and to be avoided. The more this attitude is put
forth, the more vehemently I will resist. Viva la Northeast!
If you can't complain about the weather, then you will be forced to
complain about something you can do something to solve.

Tim Gilbert


Re: (OT) RPI Website

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Darren,

There are times it takes 48 hours for them to process you subscription, hang in there, they will get to you.

Fred Freitas

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Subject: [STMFC] (OT) RPI Website


My apologies for the off topic post, but I need your help. I
subscribed to the RPI website and submitted my money via Paypal. My
membership has not been activated and e-mails to the address on the
site are being bounced. I realize it is a volunteer run organization,
so I wasn't sure if they were just backlogged or if there was some
other problem. Does anybody have a valid e-mail for them?

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Re: Cocoa Beach-Springfield

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Mike,

You nailed it. Neither is like the other, so one needs to choose, or attend both !!!

Fred Freitas

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To: STMFC@...
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Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach-Springfield


>From various comments...tinplate whistles...whatever they are...and a
comparison to the NTS, and Ted Culotta's comment about Springfield:

"You are more apt to find good stuff here than anywhere else. Do you
remember 30 years ago when you used to attend shows and there was
always "good junk" to be found? Well, it's at this show more than
anywhere else."

I gather that Springfield is a "train show". To be sure, Prototype Rails at
Cocoa Beach is not. While we do try to have manufacturers present and even a
few vendors...including photo guys...Cocoa Beach is a prototype modeling
meet in which the emphasis is on the study of the prototype AND how to model
it. It is true that resin manufacturers [ obviously, they also sell ] will
be present along with other manufacturers that concentrate on the
prototype...like Branchline.

Given that, comparing events like Springfield to that at Cocoa Beach is like
comparing the west coast to the east coast. Both have coast lines.

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Re: The Springfield Show

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Shawn,

One hint-------you can get unadvertised, and unimaginable discounts at this show. No one wants to haul it home again!! Z to G, and once a live steam dealer; so it appeals to a lot of modelers.
Last Feb I walked out with Red Caboose kits for $8.00 new, IM kits for $12.00. No complaints from me. In to DCC? Two crews install onsite while you wait---and reasonable too.
Old, rare, & obscure brass at decent prices show up every year; first come first happy!! Just to mention a few----

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] The Springfield Show


Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...


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Re: Bob's photos

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Dave,

Let's not tell them how many of us drive 4x4's to have room to haul all the stuff home in the snow.

Fred Freitas
at home in the snow in Vermont

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You chicken littles are depriving yourselves of the finest train show
in the country. A little snow, a little ice, no problem.

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Re: Accurate Paint Schemes on the Accurail 40' Wood Boxcars?

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"The SP paint scheme on #4301 is for a B-50-14 box car with Z-bar
bracing, NOT a USRA car. As Ben says, there is some general appearance
similarity, but many discrepancies, including dimensions. I would call
the model a stand-in for the SP B-50-14 cars."

Tony, thanks for the assist - wasn't sure if the model was masquerading as a
B-50-12 or B-50-14.


Ben Hom


Re: The Springfield Show

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Yes, Patricia and I attended once. The show was great. However, we got caught in a blizzard and the next day the temp went down to 10 below. All the cans of soda in the car burst. With a 4-day turnaround for us we're almost sure to get caught in bad weather so we've never gone again, even though we have a standing invitation. - Al


Re: The Springfield Show

armprem
 

Shawn.One should not try to compare a Prototype Modeler's Meet.The
Springfield Show is without question a great experience.You should plan to
attend two days.The crowds are so large that at times it is difficult to get
near a dealer's booth.Three or four deep at times.There is something for
everyone.All scales are present.Upwards to two thousand people attend the
two day event.The show is housed in two(at last count)buildings.
A Prototype Modeler's meet has a more narrow focus.The seminars are super
with presentations by some of the best modelers in the country.A real
learning experience.There is an opportunity to ask questions and exchange
ideas.You are bound to meet someone who shares something in common. The
emphasis is on prototype modeling with fewer vendors present.You will have
a choice to attend several presentations as well as seeing displays of
excellent modeling.
It is your choice.It all depends what you are looking for or expect
gain.Hope this helps.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] The Springfield Show


Okay,

More than a few people here have said the Springfield show is
"the best bar none". I have yet to hear the reason why. What's
the attraction - more tables, more freight car stuff...more snow?
Tell me what makes *this* show special.

Bob Webber, have you been to this one? It would take a lot to get
me to fly clear across the country just to freeze my behind off.

Shawn Beckert, nice and (really) toasty in Burbank...




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Re: Winter (was Bob's photos)

Jeff English
 

--- In STMFC@..., "armand" <armprem@s...> wrote:
the disadvantages of spending the rest of the winter there,Cocoa
Beach wins in a heartbeat
That's my point, Armand; I'm very tired of the de facto assumption that
winter is "bad" and to be avoided. The more this attitude is put
forth, the more vehemently I will resist. Viva la Northeast!

Jeff English
Troy, New York


Re: Other Dealers, was Bob's Photos

Tim O'Connor
 

I would add Richard Burg, Bob Lorenz, at Naperville. I have
M.D. McCarter photos too but got them 2nd hand. Some of the
finest small collections I have seen of SP equipment (including
very rare stuff like wooden passenger cars) have been purchased
at train shows here in New England. It's not by accident that
Bob got started here -- there was a high density of very good
photographers in the Northeast.

Some I have used are:
============================================================
Keith Sirman keith.sirman at sympatico dot ca
Jim Shaw <mailto:wjshaw@...>wjshaw at msn dot com
J. Michael Gruber Portage WI 53901 Mainline Photos
J.R. Quinn Worcester NY 12197
Bob Liljestrand
Don Gruber North Aurora IL 60542-0122 Railroad Photographs
Stan Kistler Grass Valley CA 95945 Historical Railroad Photo
John A Rehor Lovettesville VA 22080-9402 Beech Grove Photo
John C. La Rue, Jr. Bonita Springs FL
Bruce Maxwell John Maxwell Collections http://www.colong.com/
Tom Klinger
Norm Metcalf
Jay Williams
William A. Raia
Jim Ehrenberger
============================================================
Bob Webber